Mafia

Well, if there's anything we've learned from this past Night, it's that the mafia and doctor are active, assuming the doctor is still alive.

However, I'm more convinced that our doctor is alive rather than not. If the mafia had hidden the Janitor's body, they would have jumped at the opportunity to roleclaim Doctor. FAW is pretty much confirmed to be the Doublevoter, as the only possible candidates have claimed townie. As such, the mafia are most likely townie claims that are also active.

These are the people that have claimed "Townie" or haven't claimed anything:

Yeano, Feral, Majora, Xhin, Trever, Jo Nathan, Shadowwalked, Frustro, CtR Black, Count Dooku, Kyon

Of those 11, 3 are guilty. We can narrow that list down a bit if we get a doctor claim, since I think it is unlikely that white lancer or chiefsonny were the doctor.

I KNOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO JUMP AT XHIN this round and try to get him lynched, but I'm honestly convinced that he's a townie. I'll admit I might be placing too much trust in him, but some of the things he's done just don't seem like things a mafioso would do.

I'm probably forgetting something but oh well!

Should be "if the mafia had hidden the Doctor's body."

Was gonna say, why would the Mafia kill their own Janitor? lol

I'm not surprised Xhin is still with us. Townie or not, the Mafia want him alive as the confusion he caused is helping them.

I would start suspecting those who have been keeping a low profile. They might be counting on the rest of us to lynch ourselves.

After mulling it over, especially after that last round, I've decided to just come out and say that I'm the Distracted Doctor. It might put a big red "KILL ME" mark on me, but hopefully this will benefit in the end.

But yeah, it's obvious the Mafia wouldn't want to kill Xhin at this point, and I'm not about to cry for his blood YET. However, his performance last round leaves me going 'What the hell to do with him'.

The one moment when I knew I should have followed my gut feeling last round... :c



Stop listening to him. At this point, I think the Mafia are keeping a very low profile because of exactly what MM9 said. Xhin is causing confusion so everyone seems to be focused on him for the most part and then leaving the voting to last.

Anyone feel like we should consider Mafia hiding amongst the inactive players?

I had a feeling White Thunder was innocent. Snap. So we just lost our gambler (as Redack claimed) and drug dealer - sadly the role reveal idea did open a window for the Mafia to kill our power roles, but they weren't doing much anyway. It's been clear we'd have to win this game via lynch kills for awhile, with the OA not showing signs of action or life and the others clearly lacking results.

Redack's death may have been a result of his role claim, or that he pointed out a critical player last round. Time to review Redack's Day 3 posts.

Out of these two options, I think the last one is the most likely. He claimed to be the Gambler, which really isn't that important of a role, in comparison to the roles that are left. Though perhaps they thought he was bluffing and was actually the doctor? But once again, I'm just reaching there.

He pointed out Yeano last round and was very adamant about getting him out of there and wasn't really buying the MM9 story. Granted, now that I re-read it, it kinda sounds like a BS answer. With that said, both him and MM9 are now suspicious to me because of how hard they're supporting each other to keep them alive.

Redack was also the only one to really openly attack Xhin about his picks and didn't really follow what he was saying like a majority of us was (which is obviously kinda working in the Mafia's favor). Maybe they thought he could knock some sense into us so we could really start playing this game?

I'll go ahead and get my townie claim in for the impending townie slaughter.

That said, I fear we're down to our last few power roles. No reason to doubt Redack's gambler claim, and the lack of additional night deaths seems to point to the Orange Agent being dead. If we lose our doctor and double voter, we'll have a situation where everyone is claiming townie...

Guys we dont haave internet here and im going to be gone all day tomorrow too. You can lyunch me if you want (i deserve it) but its interesting how much redack targeted yeano and then he dies. I think lynching yeano is worth a shot so id like to vote for him but im on mobile so cant. Guys do your own thing i goofed up.

Redack was also suspicious of count dooku. Hmmm...

I have some ideas, but I'm going to think carefully about them before sharing. I had voiced suspicions about White Thunder and it turned out I was just reading too much into things.

Sorry White Thunder. (sad)

I'm voting for CtR Black.

For one, I've just had the same indescribable suspicions toward him that I had toward Roxas on Day 1. That's not really a lot to go by on itself, though.

Back in Day 1, it wasn't until after Roxas voted for himself that CtR Black voted for Roxas, and he pretty much did it immediately afterward. In his post before that (which was well after suspicions against Roxas had been brought up) he completely avoided mentioning anything about Roxas, as if he didn't want to look like he was associated with Roxas.

In Day 2 he didn't say anything so there's nothing to talk about there.

In Day 3 he seemed like he was subtly trying to get people to lead a bandwagon against someone. He started out by mentioning the active and inactive player situation, and asked for peoples opinions on how to vote based on that. He also put in a good word for myself and Yeano, as if to make the two of us think he was on our side. Then, when we were going after White Thunder, he randomly decided to be aggressive toward Xhin, and was the only one to vote for him.

I have a good feeling about this vote, moreso than last round anyway.

Out of these two options, I think the last one is the most likely. He claimed to be the Gambler, which really isn't that important of a role, in comparison to the roles that are left. Though perhaps they thought he was bluffing and was actually the doctor? But once again, I'm just reaching there.

There was no point in bluffing during a mass role reveal - if he was lying and someone counter claimed him, they would both be in line for being lynched, as obviously one of them would be lying.

He pointed out Yeano last round and was very adamant about getting him out of there and wasn't really buying the MM9 story. Granted, now that I re-read it, it kinda sounds like a BS answer. With that said, both him and MM9 are now suspicious to me because of how hard they're supporting each other to keep them alive.

It's certainly something to think about but I'm not prepared to vote for either of them just yet.

Redack was also the only one to really openly attack Xhin about his picks and didn't really follow what he was saying like a majority of us was (which is obviously kinda working in the Mafia's favor). Maybe they thought he could knock some sense into us so we could really start playing this game?

If nothing else, it would be that. Me and Redack both thought Xhin was way off the mark and we were right. But with White Thunder's being innocent, I doubt anyone will be listening to Xhin too closely now.

Redack was also suspicious of count dooku. Hmmm...

He did that mostly because Dooku was inactive. He didn't seem to say anything that actually made Dooku seem suspicious. His insistence on taking down Yeano definitely looks more of a priority.

It's also good to note that the Mafia are clearly targeting some of the big thinkers - white lancer, chiefsonny, Redack. I am actually stunned to see how often/how long white lancer and Redack survived considering how dangerous they both were. They both prove to be a major threat to the Mafia every time they are townies, finding loopholes and such.

So in that case, Yeano comes to mind again. He's hosted a lot of games in which those three players frequently proved to be dangerous players. More than anyone, he should know that they could help fish out the Mafia as they have often done. He could very well be the ringleader amidst the Mafia and convincing the others to take down their biggest threats.

Then again, the Mafia may have just killed Redack to make Yeano a red herring. So many things to consider.

Then, when we were going after White Thunder, he randomly decided to be aggressive toward Xhin, and was the only one to vote for him.

That's not really that suspicious. In fact, probably even less so that he didn't jump to finish off a townie who was clearly going down. Xhin was acting fishy, constantly jumping from one target to another. It's a consideration but I'm not voting for CtR Black based off that.

I brought up other points, too.

The reason I found that suspicious was because of my other suspicions on top of that. I could see it as setting the stage for a town lynching the next day. Regardless, I don't trust CtR.

Back in Day 1, it wasn't until after Roxas voted for himself that CtR Black voted for Roxas, and he pretty much did it immediately afterward. In his post before that (which was well after suspicions against Roxas had been brought up) he completely avoided mentioning anything about Roxas, as if he didn't want to look like he was associated with Roxas.

Well there's nothing to say about the timing. That's just the time i got on and checked this.
But as for voting for him, unless i dont think they're guilty i vote for the person that votes for themself.

In Day 3 he seemed like he was subtly trying to get people to lead a bandwagon against someone. He started out by mentioning the active and inactive player situation, and asked for peoples opinions on how to vote based on that. He also put in a good word for myself and Yeano, as if to make the two of us think he was on our side. Then, when we were going after White Thunder, he randomly decided to be aggressive toward Xhin, and was the only one to vote for him.

Musta been so subtle i missed, cause i have no idea what you're talking about.
As for the you and yeano mafia thing, i'd assume mafia members wouldnt be buddying and sticking up for each other in the open forum for everyone to see. i never said one of you werent mafia.
Xhin's strategy was just bound to lynch an innocent town member who slipped up in his wording, and thats what happened. and you helped kill.

However there are people I find more suspicious than you. Like those who said, "oh I knew i shouldntve voted for white thunder, but i did. oh well." I think this could be a way for mafia members to innocently lynch someone and take away some of the responsibilty for a townies death by saying they didnt fully believe in their vote.

No, I'm pretty sure you missed what I was getting at. You were online when Roxas was being accused. It was the center of discussion at the time, but you replied with this:



It seemed out of place. You said we had nothing to go by and suggested random voting, when we already had 4 people voting for Roxas and posting their thoughts. That's something to go by.

But it wasn't until after Roxas voted for himself--when we can assume he already said he gave up, or something to that effect, in the mafia thread--that you decided to vote for him.

That's honestly what I thought was most suspicious about you.

I was also online when White Thunder was being accused.

I'm gonna have to completely disagree with you there. three people had voted for roxas when i said the zanic thing, two of them were gut instincts, neither of the two being my own.

I didn't think that changed what happened on Day 1. White Thunder's lynching was different in a lot of ways, but regardless of your actions then, it doesn't change what happened before.

Ultimately, this isn't really something that can be proven or disproven. Everything I said is just suspicions I have based on your actions, which you could refute by saying you disagree and don't find suspicious. It's whether or not other people also find you suspicious that matters.

We've brought up in the past that "no-killing" in this game serves no purpose, meaning we have to vote for someone. Right now I'm just most suspicious of you. If anyone else comes up with a convincing case against someone else, I might be willing to switch, but until then it doesn't seem like the round is going anywhere.

Chances are both of you guys are innocent and the Mafia are sitting back watching us kill ourselves off. I really think the remaining Mafia are laying low and I feel we should start forcing some activity by voting for inactive or semi-inactive players. We can't find reasons to suspect people who don't post, but we can't find reasons to trust them either. They have to give us something to go by, real life conflicts or not.

I apologize if that last comment came across as rude - that was not my intent. I know people have legitimate things going on in real life and I don't criticize them for that. I'm just saying, those people still have just as much of a chance being in the Mafia as anyone else and they shouldn't be ignored.

I totally agree with Jo Nathan.

Certain people that are now talking in this round only posted maybe like... 2 or 3 times in other rounds until they got voted for. Then they began to chat up a storm about their thoughts to get the heat off of them. So I think we should put some inactive people under the fire as well.

Going with majora on this one (sorry I can't say more but I just got home)

I'm not at all convinced of CtR's apparent guilt. But to review all the inactive players (that I know of) ...

Shadowwalked:
Posted all of twice this entire game. The first post on Day 1, as Xhin pointed out in Day 2, leaves him looking suspicious, as he asked if the Orange Agent would be immune to Mafia kill if he was active every night. hezekiah responded that no, the Orange Agent was not. Coincidentally, the Orange Agent (I'm assuming it was indeed white lancer, as Black Yoshi felt comfortable trying to claim that role) dies that night. Although, I'm sure if he was Mafia, he could have just asked that question in the Mafia thread for hezekiah to answer. The only other post, on Day 3, he jumps in long enough to claim the townie role and join Xhin's bandwagon to lynch the innocent White Thunder.

Kyon:
Not a post made.. ever. However, apparently he has been active on the site, so there's no excuse for his absence. Feral's sure he's a Townie for this reason. chiefsonny was suspicious of him for Days 1 and 2, and even temporarily voted for him on Day 2. This went all but unheard, and now chiefsonny's out. What else I find odd is that Roxas mentioned only him for inactivity:

However, as Jo then corrected, there were several others who had not been active yet. Might be nothing, or might be Roxas's mind focused on a fellow Mafia. Keep in mind that Roxas was also apposed to lynching inactive members.


CtR Black:
Wasn't active until Day 3, save for quickly voting for Roxas on Day 1 after Roxas's fate was pretty much sealed. At that point he voiced his dislike of Xhin's strategy (which in hindsight was working out brilliantly for the Mafia). His responses to MajoraMask9's accusations have been pretty believable, too.

Count Dooku:
His absence is highly excusable, as he explained on Day 1. His strategy to lynch the Good Twin to off the Evil Twin was sound. However, on Day 2 Redack expressed concern:

Then on Day 3, Redack temporarily voted for him. And Redack (rest his soul too) is now dead. Other than that, I got nothing.

Feral:
Apparent computer issues, but has been able to post at least once per Day. He voted for Black Yoshi, but only after everyone was convinced of his guilt. On Day 3, he was pretty adamant about accusing Yeano, til MajorasMask9 got him to stop. He made the offer for the Orange Agent to kill him, but at this point I think most people knew the Orange Agent was gone, so it seems like an empty heroic speech. Plus, Xhin pointed out the flaw in such a sacrifice. Then he joins Xhin, with half-hearted regret, in voting for White Thunder.

Out of all of them, my eyes are on Kyon.

... And then there's Jo... (shifty)

This is pretty much the problem with a "no investigative role" game; everyone who's said something by this point will have probably said or done at least one thing that makes them look innocent.

-FAW is Double Voter. There's no real point in arguing this.

-Frustro claimed Doctor. I'm willing to believe him because it makes a lot more sense for either white lancer or chiefsonny to have been a Townie, while the other was the Orange Agent. This would mean that the mafia have not hidden the bodies of any other power roles. Since nobody counterclaimed Doctor, I think this is legitimate.

-Xhin mentioned that there were three mafia memebers at a point in the game when there were four. In the previous Day round, hezekiah even clarified there were four. A member of the mafia would not forget that there are four of them, and after hezekiah brought up that there were four, I don't think he'd go out of his way to intentionally look confused on such a minor detail. He's also acted very townie-like.

-Jo Nathan had been one of the first people to vote for Roxas and Black Yoshi, even when there was the possibility of both of them talking their way out of getting lynched. Just the way he voted, who he voted for, and the reasons he voted for them make him look innocent as heck.

-Feral claimed to not have a night action on Day 1. If he was mafia, I think he might have waited a while before claiming townie seeing as they have a Janitor on their side. If the Janitor ever hid the body of a power role, Feral would never be able to claim it after that point without looking suspicious. Additionally, he was one of the votes for Black Yoshi that killed him, even after Black Yoshi claimed Orange Agent and I was trying to stop the votes against him. If he were mafia, I think he'd want to wait from voting after seeing me try to bring up doubt about Black Yoshi's guilt.

-Trever was the nail in the coffin for Black Yoshi.

Shadowwalked and Kyon have been mostly/completely inactive. I can't really say anything about them except I kind of wish Kyon would be hostkilled or something, because if he's mafia we'd never be able to tell with the way this game works, and I'd hate to waste a lynch on someone that hasn't done anything suspicious.

For myself, I did lead the lynch against Roxas, but we kind of already pointed out the fact that since he was the Evil Twin it didn't really mean much. Though I did also play a part in leading the lynch against Black Yoshi as well.

Yeano, CtR Black, and Count Dooku I can't really think of anything that made them look overly innocent. At the same time, though, that doesn't mean they're guilty. It could just mean that one of the mafia have done a good job at making themselves look innocent.

Really the only person I'd consider 100% confirmed innocent right now is FAW.

Also, kind of a random note, but something else to consider about Black Yoshi is the idea of him telling the rest of the mafia to lynch him. He was the thug, meaning he would most likely eventually die for the sake of the mafia. When I was mafia a long while back and we had a thug, they pretty much offered to do something crazy like roleclaim cop in order to drag out the real cop's identity. I wouldn't be surprised if Black Yoshi did something similar to make the rest of the mafia look innocent.

I would like to officially make an apeal. Will post it for everybody to see.

As Frustro said, please host-kill Kyon for complete inactivity. This is the second game in a row that he pulled this shit, and it isn't fair to the rest of us.

I also think he should lose points.

{duck}

KYON was the Double-Voter?!

Okay, so FAW has clearly been lying to us.

Female Alpha Wolf, all I can say is... you better have a really good excuse for this. You just went from the bottom to the top of my suspect list.

-FAW is Double Voter. There's no real point in arguing this.


So much for that. We have been miscounting votes.

Also, I looked back over Day 1 and looked over Count Dooku's post. As you can see in the Vote Tallies by Round, Count Dooku instantly shot at Zanic for the Good Twin claim, so that the Evil Twin would die with him. Ironically enough, the Evil Twin was the one that got lynched. Might be a bit of a psych, but it doesn't seem fitting that a Mafia member would be so willing to kill a fellow pal off the bat.

Wow, didn't see THAT coming! Either there are two double voters, or FAW is Mafia!

Also, this confirms Frustro's innosents in my mind. If a Mafia member is dumb enough to claim a live townie special role(and she was incredibly lucky Kyon was inactive), another Mafia member wouldn't ask for an inactive non-Mafia to be killed to avoid this EXACT occurance.

Feral votes for Female Alpha Wolf

Lying about a role? that's fairly solid proof

though in past games there has been two double voters

My guess is there's two double-voters. Otherwise last round doesn't make sense since we pretty much confirmed FAW's identity with it.

Something interesting I notice in the vote tallies area (which I really need to fix). So far CtR black is the one who's locked in the most votes about people who the consensus thinks is innocent (me and FAW).

There would have to be two double voters. We didn't miscount; FAW has already proven that she's the Double Voter.

Yes, there are two Double Voters. I have proven that I am that role from previous rounds if you remember.

Kyon has not voted ONCE in this game. So before you go crazy on that vote button and try and lynch another member of the town today, think about that.

It would have been nice if hezekiah notified us of how many there was of each role.

So, hezekiah, can you at least confirm there are 2 double voters in this game?

I'm most suspicious of Trever at this point.

In the first round, he set unbelievably high standards for the town. It's a miracle we ever reached those standards. But let me remind you.




On Day 1, this wouldn't make sense. For all we knew, we could have voted off Town-sided players on both Days 1 and 2. With the mafia potentially killing off one person a night, the ratio could have been 5-10 at the start of the day round. At that point, the mafia could have killed off some powerful roles and been able to claim those roles without any counter-claims. A mass role reveal after a potential lack of success like that could have been terrible for the town. It seems like this was planned.

Trever wasn't very active on day 2, so not much to go on there...

Then we get to day 3.

Trever congratulated us on the town's good playing and then suggested we mass role reveal anyway.

This is what strikes me the most. If we do poorly, we must mass role reveal. If we do well, we must mass role reveal. I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested we mass role reveal if we had killed off 1 mafia member instead of 2.

It seems like everything was leading up to this mass role reveal the whole time. It didn't matter what happened, Trever wanted that mass role reveal.

Majora had mentioned something at some point saying that a mass role reveal would be a good idea anyway, since we would be able to identify the Mafia faster than they could identify us.

I'm not convinced on this point. Now that we're pretty certain the Orange Agent is dead (and probably has been since the beginning of Day 3, according to Redack's thoughts), the mafia would next want to take out the distracted doctor. This is because it's the only useful town role left in stopping the mafia. The other ones don't really affect the mafia much at all.

If we had to go through every single Townie claim lynching trying to find the mafia, I don't know that it would be faster for us to identify the mafia than be killed off by the mafia at that point.

As far as him making himself look innocent by being the nail in Black Yoshi's coffin, I don't accept that either.

It would be less suspicious to be the last person to vote for a fellow mafioso than to not vote for that person at all.

Plus, how did Trever know he was the last vote? Majora changed his vote afterward and the discussion kept going since the double-voter caused the round to end. I guess he could have deduced that he would be the last one to vote, but it was pretty much hopeless for Black Yoshi at that point anyway.

All that being said, I don't think Trever's actions have resolved himself of suspicion. He seems to be the most likely one to be mafia, in my opinion.

He's confirming it, otherwise he would have said "I can neither deny nor confirm this". :P

I can neither confirm nor deny this.

...that's not entirely fair. That is almost like "oh surprise role people!" which would have been more fair if we were at least told. I was given the impression we only had one of each power role. Now for all we know there were 2 thugs and 2 janitors.

As for Yeano's wall of text... I gave the first role idea on the first day without entirely assessing the situation. On Day 3, we had actually had good luck in lynching 2 mafiosos. I figured hey, we're doing good and the town is doing great scoping out the Mafia. I figured the role reveal would just narrow that list even further to help us even more.

Clearly now it has only confused people and scattered the flock. We lynched a townie and lost Redack in the night. Now we're nitpicking at details we are not even sure of. Looking back, I regret it. It's almost as though it turned our luck and flipped it upside down.

In my defense though, I will again say our power roles have done nothing, absolutely nothing, to aid us. It's pretty clear we lost our Orange Agent, Redack claimed to be our gambler, and White Thunder was our drug dealer. Frustro claims to the doctor (not doubting that at all at the current time), but he hasn't saved anyone. Even if the Mafia are targeting the power roles, it's really no different than killing a vanilla townie in this game.

If you feel the need to lynch me for my mistake, do it for that. But I promise you, you will only be killing another townie.

I'm still suspicious of CtR, but I'm also suspicious of Trever. If Trever is mafia, it could say something about other people's allignment, since we know Xhin was also going after Trever hard last round.

Thought I was going on a limb with my brief thought of 2 double voters, but looks like it was right on the money.

Feral changes his vote to Not Voting

Posted all of twice this entire game. The first post on Day 1, as Xhin pointed out in Day 2, leaves him looking suspicious, as he asked if the Orange Agent would be immune to Mafia kill if he was active every night. hezekiah responded that no, the Orange Agent was not. Coincidentally, the Orange Agent (I'm assuming it was indeed white lancer, as Black Yoshi felt comfortable trying to claim that role) dies that night. Although, I'm sure if he was Mafia, he could have just asked that question in the Mafia thread for hezekiah to answer. The only other post, on Day 3, he jumps in long enough to claim the townie role and join Xhin's bandwagon to lynch the innocent White Thunder.

I've been busy, but I still know how to play this game. The reason for me asking was to see if the rules could be bent for the towns favor (Since there is no cop, the agent orange remains the strongest town sided role). This is no different than any other time I've tried to bend the rules in my teams favor, and it certainly won't be the last.

As for jumping on to vote for White Thunder, I think it isn't hidden knowledge that I talk to Xhin on AIM, and that he asked me to vote for White Thunder to end the round.

As for my absence, I've been MIA from much more than this game (As evident that I still haven't had time to start my alien game). It's no secret that I'm on campus much of the day, and next week I have to add about 5 more hours to my schedule in the form of classes I'll be teaching.

That said, still totally a townie. If I catch something while going through the day posts, I'll contribute. But right now, without any investigatory power and without the time to actually piece together everyone's usual play-styles, there isn't much I can say or do.

On second thought--AND I KNOW THIS LOOKS FLIP-FLOPPY AS HECK--I feel voting for CtR Black is safer. In all of my hypothetical "last three mafia" picks, I don't think I've ever come up with one that didn't have CtR Black on it. I don't exactly trust Yeano either, so I'm sticking with my initial instincts for now.

Oh, and as a side note-

The only other post, on Day 3, he jumps in long enough to claim the townie role and join Xhin's bandwagon to lynch the innocent White Thunder.

MajorasMask9 Changed his vote to White Thunder
Xhin Changed his vote to White Thunder
Frustro Voted for White Thunder
Jo Nathan Changed his vote to White Thunder
Female Alpha Wolf Voted for White Thunder
Yeano Voted for White Thunder
Shadowwalked Voted for White Thunder

I was the last person to vote for White Thunder, and like I stated, it was due to Xhin's request so that the round would end. Had he asked, I'd likely have not even seen that the round was about to end.

^+Feral, I always forget that he's on mobile.

Something interesting I notice in the vote tallies area (which I really need to fix). So far CtR black is the one who's locked in the most votes about people who the consensus thinks is innocent (me and FAW).

Why is it there's so much exaggeration going on and yet I'm the guilty one? Consensus had not spoken on the innocence of FAW, AT LEAST, after the host kill.

And last round consensus was following you, but quite a few people had their doubts on you being innocent.

Why does xhin still look innocent when he's so lynch hungry? I can understand marjora's voting for me, but xhin seems to be voting for me cause i was the only one suspicious of him last round

Well, onc Xhin creates the reply limit post option(in the works), I wil be able to vote the rigt way.

@Shadowwalked: That's understandable absence. And like I said, if you were Mafia, you could have just asked about the Orange Agent in the Mafia thread, so you're not exactly way up there on my 'people to watch out for' list. But as Jo said, it's a good idea to keep relatively inactive players in mind, which was the point of my previous post.

I'm getting the feeling that CtR Black and Trever might be in leagues. As far as I know, neither of them have even acknowledged the other, even when one was being put in the spotlight. Obviously, it's just an idle crackpot theory swimming in my head, but since my days are numbered, why not do whatever.

... And thanks, Trever. I wasn't already feeling crappy enough for horribly failing at my role. :I

Well, I did defend him a few days back, but I kind of grew suspicious of him again. I mean, yeah, he did respond to everything I brought up against him, but I'm still not really convinced of his innocence; I think I just jumped the gun in accusing/believing him. At that point in the game, I didn't really want him to know I thought there was a chance he was guilty.

I'm not going to say I think he's guilty or innocent now, because he's pretty impossible to figure out (!!), and he's tricked me in the past. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned out to be mafia, but I'm expecting him to be a townie right now. We'll see how that goes...

I rather miss the cop role right now...

Frankly I have very little to go on. I'm not willing to lynch CTR over a 'feeling' that MM9 and Xhin share.

I'm somewhat suspicious of Shadowwalked's vote being so easily bought by Xhin to lynch White Thunder. Makes me wonder if Xhin is mafia and orchestrated the vote against White Thunder (unlikely, in my opinion), or if Shadowwalked is mafia and sealing the vote for White Thunder was just another way of getting rid of a member of the town (with the excuse that Xhin told him to).

Trever's not mafia in my book... The roleclaim was a bad idea but it didn't exactly lose us any valuable roles. That said, if he were mafia I can't see why he'd be defending my actions/inactivity.

All in all, I don't have much to go on. I might vote for Yeano (Redack was pushing for him, only to be killed and Yeano all but forgotten) but that could just be the mafia trying to play us into lynching Yeano...

You'd rather lynch Yeano over a feeling that Redack had--without clarifying why he was suspicious--than lynch CtR over a feeling that two people had while explaining their reasonings?

Forgive me for not really trusting you since I've had both you and CtR Black on the top of my "suspicious" list! I'm just going to go out and say that after rereading the threads, I'm willing to think a likely mafia trio would be CtR Black, Count Dooku, and Trever Leingod.

But I'm changing my vote to Trever for now. I'm still suspicious of CtR and Dooku, but if Trever does turn out guilty like I'm hoping for, it would completely clear Yeano in my eyes. Considering the vote count at this point, this shouldn't be too big a deal.

You'd rather lynch Yeano over a feeling that Redack had--without clarifying why he was suspicious--than lynch CtR over a feeling that two people had while explaining their reasonings?

Err, not over a 'feeling' Redack had... I'd lynch Yeano because it seemed like Redack died when he was seriously pushing for Yeano to be lynched. But I didn't vote for Yeano because its possible the mafia want exactly that (Redack suspects Yeano > Mafia kills Redack > Town thinks Yeano must be mafia and lynches Yeano). Yeano's just on my very short list of possible mafia (along with Shadowwalked)...

I don't really think that's reliable at this point. Night 1 white lancer was killed, and he was gunning for Xhin. Night 2 chiefsonny died, and he was gunning for Kyon. If anything, you could say the opposite should be holding true: that the mafia have been targeting the people who have been on the wrong track up until this point.

But also I might be jumping the gun here for assuming Xhin is completely innocent, but I have a good feeling about him being innocent, as well as other people judging by some people's posts about him.

Eh, Lancer wasn't 'gunning' for Xhin...

Tradition. :P I don't actually want to vote Xhin off this round, at least not right away.

Chiefsonny changed his vote to be for Black Yoshi in the end...

In fact, Lancer and Chiefsonny really didn't make a big deal out of who they went after. But Redack did, he was very set on lynching Yeano. He also believed Trever was innocent...

Redack:

Ugh -_-

Fine I'll vote for Trever, but I'm telling you now he's innocent. Just seems like the only way to end the distraction you're causing with your witch hunt on him.

Sorry Trevor! (Trevor!)

He had voted for Yeano, swapped his vote to Trever there, then went back for Yeano again. So his death following said actions could mean something more than White Lancer and Chiefsonny's.

Plus, I can't see why the mafia would be "targeting the people who have been on the wrong track up until this point." It isn't smart playing because it basically helps the town

I'm still suspicious of CtR, but I'm also suspicious of Trever. If Trever is mafia, it could say something about other people's allignment, since we know Xhin was also going after Trever hard last round.

Xhin's went hard after everyone last round. Xhin was probably wrong about just about everyone (including myself)

I dont believe trevor is guilty. The role reveal was a good idea, as he stated if suggested earlier in the game there's less people to hide behind. I still believe Xhin is guilty, he strongly opposed it something one mafia (not all) would have to do to cover their hide. and in association, marjora and shadowwalked may be guilty