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Posted March 2, 2013 by Helius

Hello, Hello, Hello, and Hello!

You guys are going to have a grand time racking in those kills.

Jo Nathan is the Godfather.
White Lancer is the Executioner.
Castrael is the Janitor.
Black Yoshi is a Mafioso.

Get your game plan ready guys!

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Well, this is a first.

March 2, 2013
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Castrael

Damn, Mafia again? Didn't see that one coming...

And this time we have a Cop. I have the distinct impression I won't last too many rounds this time.

March 2, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I'll protect you... :P

Who should we lynch tonight?

March 2, 2013
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Castrael

Sounds like FAW has a special role. :o

March 2, 2013
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Castrael

Cas, there are no lynchings on Night 0... got to wait until Night 1

March 2, 2013
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Helius

Jo Nathan is the Godfather.


HA!

March 2, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I forgot ><

March 2, 2013
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Castrael

> Jo Nathan is the Godfather.

HA!


Capisce?

March 2, 2013
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Helius

Haha, Jo. At least you dont get to kill me this time. XD

March 2, 2013
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Castrael

Heh, I just find it amusing because last time I was Godfather I really botched what should have been an easy victory. And also because it's the second time I'm Godfather and I've only been Mafia three times.

Haha, Jo. At least you dont get to kill me this time. XD


I know, right? {duck}

March 2, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Well, even though it is Night 0 and we can't lynch, that doesn't mean we can't start talking about whom to lynch tomorrow night-round, especially with the Cop around. No telling what s/he will pick up, no telling who s/he'll investigate in the night, and no telling when s/he'll come forward. Not to mention the Journalist and FBI Agent. We need to take those three down first; with them out of the way we're pretty much in the clear.

March 2, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Well it could be detrimental if we accidentally pick the journalist, right? We have to count on that role to stop the FBI Agent, if I remember the roles correctly.

Because we have a janitor, the best thing we can hope for is to kill a power role that one of us can hide behind later on.

If by luck we are able to get the cop and hide the body, I propose this, if one of us is willing to take the fall:

One of us role-claims cop. This person then will reveal one of us as being guilty. The guilty person is lynched, everyone will believe the cop claim for the rest of the game and that person will probably not be lynched or arrested. Thoughts?

March 2, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I'm down with that. The one who'll take the fall should be the one the Town is most suspicious of.

March 2, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I think we should go after the FBI Agent first. It seems like FAW already claimed her roll. And I'm down to lynching her as well, but I'll give her break.

and lol, Jo. Loves that xD...

March 3, 2013
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Castrael

But, do we let one of our own live?

March 3, 2013
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Castrael

When we lie, that is.

March 3, 2013
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Castrael

If we do use that strategy, only one of us would have to take the fall so the other three would still live.

But that's a big "if". Pretending to be the cop would be a gamble, and chances are we won't nail the cop anyway.

March 3, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I almost forgot about the insane role. We don't know which role will be insane, making my proposed plan even riskier. Might as well disregard everything I said.

March 3, 2013
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Jo Nathan

If I can get everyone to look for the insane cop for us, we'll be fine.

March 3, 2013
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Castrael

but MM9 neeeeeeds to go though!

March 3, 2013
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Castrael

Yoshi! :P Oh jeez.

March 4, 2013
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Castrael

Lancer seems to be missing or non-commenting... hrm.

March 4, 2013
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Helius

Prob missing or busy. Have you messaged him on AIM?

March 4, 2013
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Castrael

I have to state that the game started.

March 4, 2013
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Helius

Sorry Cas, but the whole point of this game is for the Mafia to avoid suspicion and you're kind of casting it unto yourself.

March 4, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Yeah I can see that, but I'm trying not to. I'm used to be a Townie. x.x

March 4, 2013
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Castrael

Well, MM9 certainly is trying to give you a break, Cas.

March 4, 2013
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Helius

He definitely knows that I'm Mafia, and he's a good player. But, I'll have to thank him later. I'm trying not to make myself look suspicious atm. I'm trying to play the insane one but ain't working.

Where's Lancer, anyways?

March 4, 2013
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Castrael

I'll role-claim cop or something.

March 4, 2013
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Castrael

Let's not do that so early on -- let's wait a few rounds and see what develops. Claiming Cop so early on may only lead to disaster...

...but then again, it could work to our advantage, if done right. Thing is, you'd need to be Redack or Majora to pull it off.

What do you think, JN?

March 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Well, the Journalist seems to be a big issue here. I'd like to get him off of my back first. If I can keep the Town away from you guys and once everyone starts lynching me, should I role-claim then?

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Lancer, I'm so murdering you! :S

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Sorry I've been MIA, guys, and sorry I've targeted you, Cas--I think I would be pretty obviously Mafia if I ignored that evidence, so I'm trying to gain some points with the Town. I feel bad that you might die in both this and Aliens, though. :(

I'll read through the threads and give my input on who we should kill ASAP. The Journalist is the biggest threat--I'm guessing they're not insane since they correctly identified Castrael. They're also sneaky enough to disguise their writing in haiku form. In general, MM9 is a big target and he's survived late into the two previous games--the Town has proven that they just. won't. lynch him, ever, so we might have to take him out ourselves. Redack is always a threat, but he hasn't played in a few games so I wouldn't mind letting him live for a while. Dooku is also dangerous, and there are a few others we probably don't want to let live too long.

March 5, 2013
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white lancer

I've been dead in Aliens. I just suck at them both <<. :(

I say we let Dooku live for a while. But, I agree, the Journalist and MM9 are a big threat, but MM9 did help me, so I owe him for that.

I really think that Redack needs to go as well, so I agree with Lancer. This is my first time playing with him, but I've known him long before he was ever Admin. and you know that.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Next round I'll remain quiet and I'll let you guys take care of whatever needs to be taken care of. Everyone already kinda thinks that I'm the cop atm.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

I really think that Redack needs to go as well, so I agree with Lancer. This is my first time playing with him, but I've known him long before he was ever Admin. and you know that.

Haha, indeed. Redack will probably sniff me out sooner rather than later, but I'd like to let him actually play this game. I expect my chances of surviving this game are pretty low since my posts will likely be under a lot of scrutiny anyway. Perhaps Jo and Yoshi can carry us to victory?

March 5, 2013
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white lancer

I have strong hopes for Yoshi on this one. When I called him out last game, I was like, come on you guys seriously? Chief helped me with that. I'm really worried about Hezy too. He tricked me too. He could be the Journalist for all I know.

If I can let the Town think I'm the cop, then Mafia should be safe.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

I could be wrong. Nathan can prob help us out as well. I take that back.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Correct me if I am wrong Lancer, but having the Journalist check out Cas the next night round won't have any effect other than waste the Journalist's time. Cas will still leave, correct?

March 5, 2013
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Helius

Sorry for the delay. I am so getting fed up with all this Goddamn traveling. I haven't read the main thread yet, but I'll do that after I wrap up this reply.

What do you think, JN?


If it really looks like Cas will be lynched, I say why not role-claim cop? Chances are they'll still lynch her, but maybe they'll let her live one more day. Or maybe the real cop will be forced to role-claim. It probably won't work, but I can't think of a downside to trying.

No matter what side I'm on, Majora ends up on the opposite side and kicks my ass. I don't mind making him our first target. {:P}

Perhaps Jo and Yoshi can carry us to victory?


Fix'd.

Heh, but seriously. I think I can do better this time around. But if it looks like that's what will happen, I suggest we eliminate Thunder early on, maybe right after Majora and Redack. He was one of the power players last time I was the Godfather, and I feel like if the cop investigates me and says I'm innocent it'll start bringing back memories with him...

March 5, 2013
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Jo Nathan

So, im pretty sure we all agree on lynching Mm9 and then Redack? I wont be able to visit the next night round. So, im staying quiet when Night Talk is on.

My main concern is the Journalist. I think that it could be either Hezy or Chief.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Feral thought he knew who the Journalist was based on grammar, and based on that last line:

Mafia? or town


...I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turned out to be CtR. No offense, but he doesn't have perfect grammar, and he seems like someone would would place a question mark in the wrong place (as if he'd forgotten what a Haiku was and had to finish the last line in a hurry or forgot to place one after the word "town". Thus CtR should be high up on our list of kills -- if not for tomorrow night-round, then the night-round after that.

That said...

Perhaps Jo and Yoshi will carry us to victory?


...I doubt I would be able to do that. The only reason I survived last game was because the Town was too single-minded and nobody was putting all that much effort into the game. I doubt that, even with Majora gone, it would be possible for me to survive all the way through the game. Especially with a Cop who can investigate and find me Guilty this time...

March 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

You may now choose who you will lynch on Night 1.

March 5, 2013
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Helius

It appears as though the Town has become suspicious of Cas. That said, the Town has both Redack AND Majora on their side, and both of them are incredible players. Redack's move during Game IX when he was Mafia and claimed that #85 was Godfather when he had claimed Cop was, bar none, one of the most cunning moves that game. And Majora during Game 12 -- who else would be able to avoid Town suspicion until he admitted he was Mafia, and even then, nearly win the game for the Mafia?

I'm still pretty confident CtR is the Journalist though, based on that last reveal. Pretty clever disguising his writing in haiku form, but that misplaced question mark may have given him away.

As for the Cop, that's anyone's guess at this point. I'm willing to bet on Majora or Redack, but Hezy's played a damned good Cop in the past, and so has chief.

All of that said, the last time we saw Majora lynched was the last time he was Mafia and admitted it just to get the game over with. When he's on the side of the Town, there's no stopping him. He must be taken down. NOW.

March 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Hey, y'all.

I vote for Majora as well. Let's get him outta here.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Actually, I wanna make a suggestion.

*Here I am, sitting at my computer with Skype open, as I have nowhere else to be in the night, and don't feel it is safe to be wandering around this forsaken town in the dark. Sleep is impossible with all that ruckus coming from Worldington. Don't those people ever sleep?*


This sounds like something a Journalist would write. What do you guys think? I think it would be politically smart to get rid of MM9 and Redack, but the Journalist is in fact a powerful role and I think we need to make sure to take that one down first. But, MM9 is definitely my vote for now.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Thing is, Cas...

as I have nowhere else to be in the night


...that seems to suggest that Feral doesn't actually have a night role. Then again, the word "else" has me thinking otherwise.

We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, Majora gets my vote.

March 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

That's fine. I just wanted to make a suggestion. My vote is official then; for MM9. Now, we wait for Nathan and Lancer.

March 5, 2013
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Castrael

Correct me if I am wrong Lancer, but having the Journalist check out Cas the next night round won't have any effect other than waste the Journalist's time. Cas will still leave, correct?

It would have an effect if Cas agreed to stay home tonight (as she did). The Town already knows she has a special role (either Cop or Psychiatrist; FBI Agent couldn't move last night and she's not the Journalist), but the two Town-sided special roles have the option to stay at home while the Mafia does not. So if she leaves the house tonight after agreeing to stay at home, the Town will know that she's guilty. It's a pretty good plan; I wish I were Town-sided so I could actually take advantage of it. {:P}

Anyway, I do think CtR could potentially be the Journalist. Also thinking hezy is a possibility, only because he's posted in poetry before and would know the value of disguising one's writing style. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to read through all the posts, so I'm afraid my input won't be overly helpful. MM9 is always a threat, though, so I'll vote for him tonight. He also seems to be playing a relatively low-key game so far; I think it's likely that he's either busy or has a power role.

March 6, 2013
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white lancer

That last line, though...

Mafia? or town


...makes me think CtR over hezy -- at least hezy would have known where to put that question mark...

March 6, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I dunno much about CTR, but it could be him. The two posts that have bugging me tho have been FAW's and Feral's. They seem to be the insane ones.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

So we're set on MM9?

March 6, 2013
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Helius

I think so.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Day 2 is upon us.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

In case you were wondering, I withheld my Mafia vote on purpose. I was worried my absence had been holding up the night round. I didn't know if me casting my vote would end the round, and I know certain people like to watch to see who's online when key Mafia events happen, so I posted in the main thread and stayed away from this one.

Question for Helius: Hypothetically, if the journalist tried tracking me last night, even though I stayed away from the Mafia thread, would I still have appeared to visit someone?

Also..... I love what you did with the day post - very creatie - but you may have given a hint to my identity since I've made references to shooting kneecaps in the past before. #facepalm

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

creative, not creatie

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Hypothetically, if the journalist tried tracking me last night, even though I stayed away from the Mafia thread, would I still have appeared to visit someone?

Correct me if I am wrong Lancer, but having the Journalist check out Cas the next night round won't have any effect other than waste the Journalist's time. Cas will still leave, correct? - Helius

It would have an effect if Cas agreed to stay home tonight (as she did). The Town already knows she has a special role (either Cop or Psychiatrist; FBI Agent couldn't move last night and she's not the Journalist), but the two Town-sided special roles have the option to stay at home while the Mafia does not. So if she leaves the house tonight after agreeing to stay at home, the Town will know that she's guilty. - Lancer


From what I understand, it would have made no difference if you had showed up or not.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

And for the kneecaps bit... I was just trying to make it gruesome. If they nail you because of it, you're going to get an extra point because that was my hiccup.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

Many thanks, but you don't have to do that. If anyone does actually remember those references, I doubt they'll see it as anything more than the coincidence that it is.

And thanks for the clarification on the journalist.

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

*slaps you y'all*

That's for getting me possibly lynched << I'm like surviving from both Towns v.v

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

I have nothing else, so Im letting them lynch me.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Sorry Cas. Even if we don't vote for you it looks like everyone else will at this point.

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

At this point, I don't mind. I'm going back to my old post. I'm stressed. :/

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

I'm hiding my own body when I get lynched. If that's alright with, Lancer?

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Cas, are you deliberately outing Yoshi and me?

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

It would appear that way.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

I have a plan. If you guys want the Town to keep us away and not lynch anybody for the night, we got 24 hours. I'm hoping we can get the Town not to lynch anyone so that we can have a chance to lynch someone the next night. without having to lose a fellow team member.

Do you see where I'm coming from?

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Sort of...but I had a good mind to get rid of Redack tonight anyway such that one of us can claim Cop in a few rounds without him barking at us.

Explain your plan and maybe I'll try to go with it.

March 6, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Yes, please explain. I'm a tad confused right now. :S

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I was thinking and I see what you guys are doing now. I ain't mad for it and I hope you're not mad at me. When they started attacking me, I knew I was a goner, but I decided, I wasn't about to give up. We have 20 hours left, actually. If we can get the Town to hold off on the vote, then I won't get lynched. Since we have 8 votes and I only have two left to go before I'm lynched, they can start voting you guys off and then the round is over.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

But, I wouldn't let them kill anyone of you though. I would let them attack, if this works out, and then I would confuse the hell out of them by saying like, what about Lancer or something?

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

It's HUGE gamble.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

What would you guys want? im open to anything.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Roxas is the Journalist! He has to be! Sorry, Nath. That was a mistake.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

They aren't going to let you get away. Redack will make sure that you're lynched no matter what. The best course of action would be to refrain from saying anything that would bring more attention toward Yoshi, lancer and myself. Although I fear that Yoshi may be lynched or arrested next anyway.

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I just voted for myself. So, hope that helps.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Fairwell, Cas. Sorry that you're the first one to go. {:(}

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Even if Yoshi is lynched or arrested, you can still get a kill or two in.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

Fairwell, Cas. Sorry that you're the first one to go.


v.v

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Just do me a favor and go after the Journalist. I think it's either, Roxas, Chief, or Hezy, still. I wanted to piss the Journalist off tho. Or, to see if he could show himself.

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Sorry guys and especially to Yoshi ><

March 6, 2013
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Castrael

Ok. You can now lynch someone if you'd like.

March 6, 2013
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Helius

If it weren't for Redack pretty much proving he's the psychiatrist, I would have considered letting him live to throw the rest of the town for a loop.

But I gotta vote Redack.

March 6, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Agreed. I have a plan in mind: off Redack tonight, since he knows who the Cop is, then one of us (and by that I mean Lancer) claims Cop in a few rounds and claims that they were the one Redack cured. Since the Town is suspicious of me, and the real Cop may well investigate me tonight, based on the Town's suspicions, claim that you investigated me and found me Guilty.

March 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

To finish: by offing Redack tonight we avoid the inevitable "Actually, the person I cured was _____ and not Lancer, ergo Lancer is Mafia." It would take a lot to convince the Town that Lancer's the real Cop after that...

...BUT we may be able ot avoid that if JN or myself (if I'm not lynched) claims Cop as well. Imagine the Town's surprise to find out we have three people claiming Cop...

March 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Well, I was hoping to let Redack survive for most of the game, but since he's got a special role, he's got to go. We can't risk hitting a Townie tonight. I'm a little surprised I'm not on his list right now, but maybe I'm included under people who haven't talked much.

Agreed. I have a plan in mind: off Redack tonight, since he knows who the Cop is, then one of us (and by that I mean Lancer) claims Cop in a few rounds and claims that they were the one Redack cured. Since the Town is suspicious of me, and the real Cop may well investigate me tonight, based on the Town's suspicions, claim that you investigated me and found me Guilty.

This is very, very risky because the real Cop will counter-claim. I've never really felt that false roleclaiming works for the Mafia, at least not in a game like this one--if people's roles weren't revealed upon death, it would be a risky but feasible plan. As it is now, though, all the Town has to do is lynch one of the claims--basically, it ensures that the Town gets the lying Mafia member either way. False roleclaiming is pretty much a sacrificing strategy as long as roles are revealed upon death.

March 7, 2013
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white lancer

From what I understand, it would have made no difference if you had showed up or not.

Yeah. That sort of call is up to you initially, but since you ruled that Cas left her house during Night 0 when she didn't kill anyone, you pretty much have to rule that we leave every night no matter what just to keep it consistent.

I'm hiding my own body when I get lynched. If that's alright with, Lancer?

I'm a little late for this, but Cas wouldn't have been able to hide her body because she died during the day round. Whether she could hide her own body if she died at night is up to the Host--you could rule that it doesn't make any sense for her to be able to do that, but then again you could say she just selected a secluded area for us to off her (essentially hiding her body before she actually died).

March 7, 2013
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white lancer

This is very, very risky because the real Cop will counter-claim. I've never really felt that false roleclaiming works for the Mafia, at least not in a game like this one--if people's roles weren't revealed upon death, it would be a risky but feasible plan. As it is now, though, all the Town has to do is lynch one of the claims--basically, it ensures that the Town gets the lying Mafia member either way. False roleclaiming is pretty much a sacrificing strategy as long as roles are revealed upon death.


But what if...and bear with me here...what if someone else counter-counterclaimed? For example, let's say that you claim Cop and the real Cop counterclaims -- and then Jo Nathan counter-counterclaims? Would that work, or would we be digging our own graves/sprucing up our own prison cells?

March 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Um, well, I think that mostly winds up exposing multiple Mafia members. The Cop would definitely counter-claim if two other people were taking their role, because they'd instantly know that both people were Mafia. If the Cop were dead and hidden or Silenced or something like that, or if we were really close in the ratio, it might work, but as it is now I don't think it would help.

March 7, 2013
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white lancer

Ah, alright. You'd have to be Majora or Redack to pull that off anyway...

March 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Day 3 has arrived... (ashamed) Though there is only two.

March 7, 2013
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Helius

I'm not sure Redack or MM9 could pull that off, either. If we had done that today, the Town would have had plenty of time to vote all three Cop claims off and not even be close to losing. The thinking outside the box is good, but sometimes there's a reason certain strategies haven't been tried before. Also, I guess this is pointless since you're not in the thread anymore. :P

I'm so much better of a Town-sided player than I am Mafia. At least my strategies seem to have helped the Town to believe my innocence for now, but with the Journalist and Cop out there it's only a matter of time before I get caught unless we manage to hit them both, like, right now. I'm already worried that the Journalist might have targeted Redack last night (that would have been the smartest move), but I figured we were probably damned if we did and damned if we didn't. We'll need to go over the posts very carefully to try to pick up any clues about the Journalist/Cop before making our move tonight.

March 7, 2013
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white lancer

There was some discussion that I know of for the Journalist. And I think there was a name or two dropped for the Cop role too, but that's all earlier on.

March 7, 2013
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Helius

I'll try to help out as best as I can, but IMO this game ended during Day 2.

Weren't we suspecting CtR could be the journalist? I'm wondering if we should take him out next.

March 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Gosh darn it. The only thing I can say is... I so can't wait for another shot at being Mafia. I'm so much better as Mafia than I am town-sided, and I really didn't get a chance to show it this time. {:?}

Start of next round, it'll be all you, lancer.

March 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Oh snap! Guess I'm getting melodramatic prematurely. Just read your post, Helius.

*phew*

Well maybe that'll keep 'em off my back for now.

March 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Well, and it seems silly to read into my posts... but since they really don't have anything to work on... other than Redack's suspicions.

March 7, 2013
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Helius

Redack's suspicions are just uncanny - even his mild suspicions turn out to be correct. People would be crazy not to go after me.

March 7, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I'm thinking Yoshi may have been right that CtR is the Journalist. Typing style seems to match him better than anyone else, unless the Journalist is very good at hiding their style. Dooku looks like a special role as well. I'm thinking I might go through and see who posted when to seen who might have posted a message around the same time the Journalist's message went up both times.

Kinda surprised the Journalist didn't target Red last night. That's a bit of a break for us.

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

There's a chance that you're right in that assumption and also wrong. {:D}

March 8, 2013
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Helius

I looked over some of the posts, as I've been trying to figure out who the special roles would be. I'd like your input, JN, while you can still give it. :)

The Journalist is most likely CtR, and I think a lot of other people felt similarly at the time of the first message. I suggest taking him out tonight.

The FBI Agent is Dooku.

The Governor feels like it should be an easy role to identify because of the messages they've posted, but I'm having a tough time. I think it's because I don't interact with enough of the players here outside of Mafia to get a good grasp on it. The person who comes to mind most is Xhin, but I could see it being Roxas, Thunder, FAW, maybe hezy.

I'm not sure about the Cop, but I think we can probably rule out chief, Xhin, CtR, and a few others. Chief was annoyed that the restart got him a crap role (I'm assuming Townie), and Redack knew who the Cop was by mid-Day 1 (when CtR and Xhin hadn't even posted).

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

I've only ever talked to two people outside of GT and not nearly enough to get any kind of insight on them that would be relevant to Mafia... I guess that's one advantage most of the players have over me. :/

Would it make sense to take a chance and go after CtR, instead of the obvious choice (Dooku)? With any luck he'll arrest someone innocent during Night 4.

I honestly have no clue who the cop might be, or what subtle clue would have given him/her away to Redack. I swear to God, Redack is a sorcerer.

I might have some guesses as to who the governor might be if I go back and re-read the governor's messages.

March 8, 2013
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Jo Nathan

CtR is definitely a better option than Dooku at this point--I'm actually thinking of leaving Dooku alive until after I find the Cop (if I manage to find him/her XD) because he might help weed out innocent players for us. It could blow up in my face because I think he's probably the player most likely to have an epiphany about how guilty I am, but so far he seems to trust me.

If it weren't for the Cop and Journalist being around, I'd actually probably be in a great position--my strategy this time around has been to be as helpful as possible to the Town (before I've always held some good strategies back in the hopes that none of the Town will pick up on them), and it seems to be working since no one has really thrown my name out there. But all it'll take is one investigation by the Cop or Journalist and it's game over. Best case scenario, CtR is the Journalist, I get lucky and take out the Cop next (preferably before they reveal themselves), and get Dooku the next round. Also would be nice to take out the Governor, but let's be honest, I'll be lucky even to get that far. :P

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

You're not a Belieber. This makes me sad. (cry)

Team Lancer?

March 8, 2013
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Helius

Okay, so there are 10 people who are Cop possibilities:

1. `Roxas`
3. White Thunder
6. Female Alpha Wolf
9. CtR Black
10. hezekiah
12. Feral
14. chiefsonny
15. Trever Leingod
16. Xhin
17. Vandy

Of these, I think we can safely rule out Xhin, CtR Black, and hezekiah, because none of them spoke before Redack declared he knew who the Cop was (and if it turns out one of them is the Cop I'm going to string up Redack for practicing voodoo magic >:-{).

FAW posted, but none of her posts seem to indicate that she might be the Cop and she agreed with MM9 that Cas might be the Cop, so I think I'll rule her out as well.

Vandy's posts are short and mostly consist of throwing out random suspicions, so while he could be the Cop I doubt it.

Feral and chief liked their old roles better, while Trever didn't post much and complained about never getting a good role. Of these three, chief strikes me as interesting--he's been pretty straightforward in the past when he's had a power role (e.g. he insinuated he had a role on Day 1 last game), but maybe he's being sneaky, and his posts do seem to be the sort Redack might be able to draw a conclusion from. He and Trever both wonder if there's an Insane Cop in the game, and chief makes this comment:

I thought all roles had to be listed if they were being used in a game. Could be wrong.

He could be playing dumb there to throw us off. Or he could be sincere. Oh, and Feral notes that the Cop doesn't have to be the insane one.

Roxas is a bit of an interesting case. The only post of his that really makes me think he could be the Cop is the one about him being 75% sure, which could mean anything. He also agrees with Redack that it doesn't make sense for the Cop to know that they're insane. White Thunder would strike me as most likely if it weren't for Redack's comment. He never mentions the Cop that I can see, and he talks about having no suspicions yet and not screwing up badly this game. I'm not sure how Redack could come to a conclusion with any certainty with him, but I think it's probably between him and chief, and maybe Trever and Roxas.

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

A Belieber, Helius? o.O

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

A Belieber... not acquainted with the term?

March 8, 2013
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Helius

I've heard the term before. Unfortunately.

March 8, 2013
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white lancer

Well, I'm well acquainted since I work with the population of teenage screaming females!

But off track, TEAM LANCER or TEAM TOWN!

March 8, 2013
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Helius

My one concern is the possibility that the cop is someone who's not posting a lot and Redack did a combination of clever deducing and lucky guessing.

I know Feral only said I could be the Godfather because he thought Redack visited me and that this was tied to Helius' story, but I wonder if maybe Feral is the cop and actually investigated me...?

Other than that, I would also consider looking at anyone who indicated that they didn't find me suspicious, their subtle way of saying "yeah, I investigated him and he came up clean."

March 8, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Well, and it sucks that they are going to have you arrested tonight Jo because the Mafia has been extremely unlucky this game. The format was meant to give an equal chance to the Town and Mafia; however, the Journalist deciding to check out Cas the first night... really, really hurt it's chances.

March 8, 2013
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Helius

That's all right with me. To be honest, I was really bummed out at first, but I got over it.

What bothered me was this - I don't see myself ever being a good player on the town side. I'm just not getting better at reading people. I still have fun on the town side, but I play through the games looking forward to when I'll be put on the Mafia side. I just love it because being devious and deceptive is something I can actually pull off successfully.

Things haven't fared well for us this time, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles. As long as everyone has fun, I'm happy. I seriously could not ask for a cooler group of people to play with and that's what I like most about these games.

March 8, 2013
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Jo Nathan

If Cas hadn't voted for you after she voted Yoshi, you probably would have lasted longer. Sorry, Jo. It's really not your fault this game. :-/

And you can have my Mafia roles from now on. Being Mafia stresses me out, so I'd much rather play on the Town's side! {:P}

Also, there was something about Feral that made me think he was less likely to be the Cop, but I don't remember what that was right now. I'll have to look over him again--if Night Talk is turned off, that would make it easier for me cause I wouldn't have to worry about watching the main thread at the same time. :P And unless Xhin is lying about not being interested in this game, he seems unlikely to be the Governor. I'm leaning towards Roxas, but the Guv is low-priority right now anyway.

March 9, 2013
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white lancer

You may now choose a person to lynch.

March 9, 2013
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Helius

I am 90% certain I will die, but I will vote in case of the other 10%. Leaning toward CtR but we can discuss it.

I seriously think not killing Dooku is going to totally catch them off guard.

March 9, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I'd still vote regardless.

March 9, 2013
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Helius

I was planning on going through those posts again maybe to clear up the identity of the Cop, but, well, it's actually my birthday today so that's not going to happen. ^_^ Hopefully, I'll get a birthday present in the form of CtR Black being the Journalist. My vote goes to him tonight.

Oh, and I had a couple of pieces of insight. First, I think Feral is less likely to be the Cop because I remember he was on Redack's last list of suspicions. Redack's a sneaky one, so it's possible he put Feral on there as a misdirection, but at this point it's better to bank off of direct evidence rather than assuming Redack was just trying to deceive us. Also, White Thunder seems less likely now that I remember he was talking about a roleclaim on...Night 2? I don't remember. But I know it was before I presented the Journalist-as-pseudo-Doctor strategy and before the Cop would have had any real information, so I don't think Thunder would push for a roleclaim when he didn't have any useful information. This has me leaning towards Chief again, but I'll have to go over the posts again.

If I were Dooku, I'd arrest Jo tonight and then say pretty much nothing in the next day round. It doesn't benefit him to help the Town figure out who the last Mafia member is, because he won't get victory points for it if I die via lynch. It's better for him to push for 'No Kill' and buy himself more time to make arrests at night, which could work both ways. It would slow the Town's ability to find me with one less big thinker in the mix, but it also leaves an enemy alive that can kill me before I can kill them, and I'll never know when Dooku starts considering me as an option (if he hasn't already).

March 10, 2013
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white lancer

I also vote for CtR Black.

This really will be one hell of a challenge. I feel bad you'll be facing it alone, but at the same time I'm glad it won't be me.... again. {:P}

And happy birthday!

March 10, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Go TEAM LANCER!

And Happy Birthday by the way.

March 10, 2013
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Helius

Right now, I think the best bet is for the cop to investigate White Lancer. If he's innocent, the cop won't need to announce anything and the town keeps a valuable strategist. If he's guilty, the cop reveals and it's lynching time.

Looks like game over to me, unless the Cop doesn't listen to Dooku for whatever reason. I'm kinda expecting to get arrested tonight anyway, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense for Dooku to voice his suspicions out loud. I see a few options:

1. Dooku's forgotten that he doesn't gain any benefits from the Cop turning up a Guilty verdict, so he's making a dumb move.

2. Dooku is expecting me to be found innocent and is hoping to waste the Cop's check tonight.
2a. Alternately, he's planning on arresting me anyway and wasting the Cop's check in the process if I do happen to be innocent.

3. Dooku is hoping to convince the Town to let him arrest me tomorrow, rather than lynching me outright.

4. Dooku posted that to see how hezy and I react and will arrest tonight based on those reactions.

Expecting #4 because Dooku is generally a smart player, so I think he'll take me out tonight. Since I'm not sure who the Cop is and don't know that I'll have time/energy to go back and figure it out if the game is a foregone conclusion, I'm thinking of taking Dooku out tonight to punish him just in case he really is making a dumb move. :P

March 12, 2013
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white lancer

You may choose someone for Night 4.

March 13, 2013
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Helius

No idea if I'll wind up waking up tomorrow, haha.

I think I was looking about the Cop thing the wrong way. Redack doesn't look at this game the way I do: he tends to get extremely confident on his reading of people based even on a single small thing, whereas I usually won't be confident until all other options are accounted for (unless someone is really obvious, like I thought Majora was a couple of games ago >:-{). He doesn't need to have rock-solid proof or even anything especially conclusive to feel like he's sure of someone's identity, so looking at overall trends is perhaps not as useful as looking at one thing that might have tipped him off:

The very presence of this role makes me wonder if we have an insane cop on our hands, or something like that.

I noticed this statement earlier when I went through the posts, but I kinda didn't bother with it too much because...well, I'm not really sure why. Maybe I just discounted the possibility of the majority of the power roles being taken by J/S people. {:P} It was probably a bit of that combined with my looking for something more substantive, which means I put less stock in people who hadn't posted as much. But now I'm thinking that Trever is mostly likely the Cop. The only other option that really sticks out in my mind is if chief is the Cop, but I think my original instincts on him (that he's being sincere with his "where the @#$% is the Cop" business) is more likely to be correct.

That said, I'm not voting to kill just yet. I've been barring myself from GTX0 (and other websites) during the day to make myself be productive, which is part of the reason I haven't been as active this game, and I might not want to be inactive if I do happen to survive the night.

March 13, 2013
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white lancer

It kinda sucks because I feel like if even JN had survived up to this point, this game might still be salvageable for us. No one really had reason to suspect him outside of Castrael's random vote, and he might have been able to catch people off guard if the power roles were all dead. I didn't really wind up having the time to devote to this game to play it all that well (and I think coming back from 9-1-1 would have been pretty much impossible), but Jo wouldn't have had as many expectations on him and he probably could have gone far. Oh, well.

March 13, 2013
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white lancer

You will definitely be waking up tomorrow. You're the only one I'm waiting on.

March 13, 2013
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Helius

I'm not sure whether to be insulted or complimented that Dooku doesn't feel like taking me out tonight. {:P} I'm not sure how suspicious of me he really is, so I don't know how much it matters whether I take him out or not. My gut tells me I'll get taken out the next night no matter what, unless the Cop checked me and points me out during the day. But I may as well at least try to hit the Cop before I go--the game's just probably unwinnable if the Cop's dead, while it's definitely unwinnable if the Cop's alive (especially if it's Trever).

Sigh. I'll kill Trever Leingod tonight and hope for a miracle.

March 13, 2013
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white lancer

No miracles. :(

March 14, 2013
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Helius

Oh well. It was worth a shot anyway. {:P}

March 14, 2013
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white lancer

I suppose it would have been a little disturbing if I had been able to understand the workings of Redack's deranged mind. So maybe this is a good thing. {:P}

March 14, 2013
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white lancer

Clearly, looking for actual evidence in people's posts was a mistake on my part. I would have done better just to draw out of a hat.

March 14, 2013
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white lancer

What the heck, I didn't get to use this power all game (*gazes jealously at the Mafia Investigator's ability*). I'll execute myself. Once the Town takes me up to lynch me, I'll ingest the poison capsule I've been carrying in my mouth.

March 14, 2013
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