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night 1 again no for real this time

Posted May 31, 2013 by White Thunder

Hello, residents of Thunderville! It's basically a big ol' party here, as all of a sudden the town has a record number of residents! But with great parties come great responsibility, something the Mafia knows all too well. At the big town cookout, the decapitated head of Xhin was found behind the Port-a-Potty. It was immediately apparent that the Mafia had returned. Now the town had to ferret them out...

So what special kind of folks are here in Thunderville? Well, a couple standbys of course, but all the new blood has brought some new roles into the town as well...

(Only new or newer roles will be explained here. All the rest of them can be found on the "Mafia roles" tab for all you newbies.)

We start with what I think is a really cool role, known only as Lazarus. Each night, Lazarus picks a person to "follow". If that person is responsible for his death that night, he will return from the dead. However, once revived he longer has any powers.

My next new role is called the Apprentice. You see, the Apprentice has been learning the tools of the trade throughout the town. Whenever the first town-sided role goes down, the Apprentice will take his spot and become a new version of that role. This could be interesting...

The final role here isn't new, but was never added to the "Mafia Roles" tab. That is the Hooker. Every night, the Hooker can choose to visit one person. What exactly are they doing?? Whatever it is, the person they visit will be too distracted to use their night actions that night. The Hooker cannot visit the same person two nights in a row.

The rest of the roles are listed below this players list along with the ratio.

1. white lancer
2. Speed Bike Pro
3. Hindenburg
4. Kyon
5. Roxas
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9
8. Apollo Justice
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack
11. Castrael
12. Feral
13. Black Yoshi
14. weid man
15. Trever Leingod
16. igga
17. The Bandit
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano
20. Zanic
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku
24. hezekiah
25. Llight
26. Female Alpha Wolf
27. Shadowwalked

Town-Mafia ratio: 19-8

Town roles: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Governor, Double-Voter, Apprentice, Lazarus, Townie x12

Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Silencer, Hooker, Mafioso x4

Night action priority:

1. Hooker target
2. Lazarus target
3. Cop Check
4. Mafia Kill
5. Vigilante Kill
6. Assassin Kill
7. Doctor save
8. Silencer target

Day 1 will begin in the next 20-24 hours, probably.

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Let's get started folks {:P}

Only eligible night action last night was Silencer.

May 31, 2013
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White Thunder

Hello, everyone.

May 31, 2013
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Yeano

Oh and btw 72 hours or 17 votes to end the round.

May 31, 2013
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White Thunder

hi yeanoooooooooooooo

May 31, 2013
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Shadowwalked

heyeano

supshadowwalked

May 31, 2013
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MajorasMask9

My next new role is called the Apprentice. You see, the Apprentice has been learning the tools of the trade throughout the town. Whenever the first town-sided role goes down, the Apprentice will take his spot and become a new version of that role. This could be interesting...

We're probably guaranteed to lose a town role tonight, and probability dictates it'll be a townie.

Does this role apply to townies?

Also, what does 'new version' mean? Would they be a townie with some new ability?

May 31, 2013
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Count Dooku

ohhimajora

May 31, 2013
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Shadowwalked

I made some first hour observations the moment Night 0 went up last night. Will post it later because I'm just dogging it right now... ugh. Do not fear the observation though, it's totally legit.

The Apprentice basically assumes the role of the first dead power role that dies in Mafia, but as promised, first round vote goes to lynch Redack.

May 31, 2013
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LLight

'Ello.

May 31, 2013
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`Roxas`

first dead townie power role**

May 31, 2013
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LLight

Hooker can choose to visit one person. What exactly are they doing?? Whatever it is, the person they visit will be too distracted to use their night actions that night

Did this game suddenly become rated X? Did we get forms of consent?

May 31, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Yoshi!

...err...I mean, hey y'all.

So, like, if Lazarus dies (and is reborn as, effectively, a normal Townie), and the Apprentice takes his place, and then the Apprentice dies, is s/he reborn as a Townie, or is that trick only reserved for Lazarus him/herself? If so, that would be a hell of a combination for the Town, especially in a game with this many people. Now imagine that combined with a few Doctor saves here and there and the Apprentice could effectively have more extra lives than Mario.

May 31, 2013
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Black Yoshi

No apparent reasons to vote for anyone yet.

I probably won't post again until tomorrow because I'm graduating high school tonight. Can't wait to get back into this game.

May 31, 2013
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Zanic

Obvious choice.

June 1, 2013
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The Bandit

About the Apprentice- what Llight said.

Did this game suddenly become rated X? Did we get forms of consent?

I'm not responsible for the content of this thread. Even if I typed it.

So, like, if Lazarus dies (and is reborn as, effectively, a normal Townie), and the Apprentice takes his place, and then the Apprentice dies, is s/he reborn as a Townie, or is that trick only reserved for Lazarus him/herself?

Lazarus retains his role until his actual death even if his power can only be used once. For the Apprentice to take his place, he would have to actually die, go to the Dead Thread and all- but yes, in that case the Apprentice would get one Lazarus power as well.

I probably won't post again until tomorrow because I'm graduating high school tonight.

Congratulations!

June 1, 2013
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White Thunder

Did this game suddenly become rated X? Did we get forms of consent?

I was a Hooker once... Didn't go over well. Visited with a dead guy, and let me tell you what, not the best experience. (hehe)

I'm graduating high school tonight.

Congrats! Don't think that because you're out means the same things won't happen. {:P}

June 1, 2013
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`Roxas`

Congrats Zanic!

Oh, and I have to vote for the person I know I'd be most hesitant to trust.

June 1, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Guys, guys, guys. Are we forgetting the #1 rule we learned from last game already?

June 1, 2013
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white lancer

I'm just going to do this in hopes that it has a slight chance of speeding up Day 1...

June 1, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Good evening, everyone.

I hope there are no hard feelings from last game... (:$)

Now, shall we begin?

June 1, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Hello ^^

June 1, 2013
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Castrael

Yeans, I am totally too pooped to rewrite my mafia script that gave you and your ilk such hard-ons with the math statistics. I wanted to restructure the way it works based on the factions, namely host's perspective, townie perspective and mafia perspective. I am like literally falling apart at the seams at how tired I am right now.

June 1, 2013
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LLight

You should probably sleep, LLight.

June 1, 2013
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Castrael

Even robots need rest... haha.

June 1, 2013
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LLight

So I guess this is llights out for you then, huh?

June 1, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Congrats Zanic! Any college plans?

Hello everyone. Great to see so many players.
Hope they are all active. Should be a interesting game with the new roles and having a Doctor to protect our cop.

Good luck everyone

June 1, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

And why aren't you fuckers voting for Redack like we planned?

June 1, 2013
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LLight

I am the godfather come at me brah

June 1, 2013
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#85

OBJECTION!

The only person that it could possibly be is _____! I saw them throughout the night with ______, ______, and ______. What kind of decent townie is out at that kind of night?!

Exactly. They can't be one!

Thus I am voting for-

The rest of this document has been erased

June 1, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

If one of you Mafia folks sell out seven of the others, I have cake for you!

June 1, 2013
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`Roxas`

Playing Mafia, on a Friday night?!? What losers!

Probably best to do a no kill and get the game moving.

June 1, 2013
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Bubba

Going to assume Speed is mafia because I was wrong last game.

June 1, 2013
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Kyon

Hello! It's good to be back, everyone! Time to murder Redack!

June 1, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

You know, I've just got a strange feeling about somebody...

June 1, 2013
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`Roxas`

I hope there are no hard feelings from last game...

Well, you hoped wrong.

This is a serious vote btw. I think, with only 7 townie power roles and most of them being pretty useless, an aggressive game is best. So, yay, murder.

June 1, 2013
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The Bandit

Hi. I promised LLight I would murder Redack, so I'm not going to vote for Redack. Somebody else smells suspicious.

June 1, 2013
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igga

Wait wait wait wait. The doctor save comes after the mafia kill? Maybe I don't understand how the night actions work, but doesn't that make the doctor useless? If the doctor tries to save me, and the mafia votes to kill me, won't the mafia always kill me before the doctor can save me?

June 1, 2013
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The Bandit

This is a serious vote btw. I think, with only 7 townie power roles and most of them being pretty useless, an aggressive game is best. So, yay, murder.

The Bandit Changed his vote to Speed Bike Pro


{:?}

June 1, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm switching my vote to No Kill just as a precaution. Aggression might be the way to go this game, but I'm not ready to take a random shot in the dark and I don't have any suspicions yet.

June 1, 2013
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white lancer

...I make a post entirely for the point of switching my vote, and then I forget to switch my vote. -_-"

June 1, 2013
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white lancer

Night 0 - Time observed: 10:00pm - 11:30pm
Roles assigned at approximately May 30, 2013 10:00pm.
Clicks observed when Recent Activity monitor timer is reset. Initiated observation phase.

  • Speed Bike Pro, Kyon, Apollo Justice furiously refresh the page on GTX0. Could it be mafia thread chatter? I don't see any posts being made anywhere at the moment Apollo Justice resumes her TV show at 10:39pm. I understand this Night 0 so I can only ascertain that users are checking their roles or if mafia, are using their thread to communicate their joy of being randomly selected with each other. Speed Bike Pro does not respond to OOG masturbation comment like he normally does, assumed thoughts pre-occupied of Mafia role.
  • The Bandit and Jo Nathan have been observed, assumed role check in Mafia forum. Haven't seen them reemerge in 30+ minutes or so. So far so safe.
  • Pirate_Ninja, indicates role has been checked via OOG Skype session. Posts in NVGS on May 30, 2013 -- 10:37pm in [p:76979]. Seems clean. Reply and preoccupation with other forums fits his OOG personality with no indication of interest to Mafia game.
  • Shadowwalked has been observed furiously clicking around at 10:50pm via Recent Activity monitor like the rest of them. No out of forum posts made. Not enough time to indicate probable role. Speed Bike Pro continues to show up the monitor with no posts.
  • White Thunder observation exempt, he is this game's host.
  • Female Alpha Wolf time lag, 10 minutes from appearance on Recent Activity monitor. No posts made. Assumed she checked her role.
  • MM9, Castael, igga, Yeano, PN, Kyon, Shadowwalked, FAW, and Apollo re-appear. Too many people to observe probable actions (I gave up here because I needed to go to bed).

    Players I'm likely to never observe:
    Redack because our timezones match perfectly for avoidance.
    igga during weekdays because he works late night shifts in relation to my time zone. Talked to igga OOG, no behavior change observed.
    Jo Nathan because I almost never see him online when I'm on.

    It is more likely -- I think, that Shadowwalked, Speed Bike Pro, Kyon, and Apollo Justice either have power roles or are mafia. The massive amounts of clicks during the night round were either conversing the the host (White Thunder, because he was also online at the time) or they were talking to each other in their respective role threads (i.e mafia). It's also worth noting that MM9 and Yeano were observing the mafia game approximately 10 minutes before Day 1 started. This particular clique has frequent OOG talk. These two users rarely post outside of Mafia if not for a lone Nintendo franchise forum.

    ---

    This half of the playstyle isn't as fabulous as I remembered it, but whatever. Left in the randomize vote part because that's how we used to do random votes before Xhin implemented the dropdown menu (cry). There was also a forumla for mafia win percentage which is numMafia/sqr(totalPlayers), which is 8/5.2 and which is 153.96%. That percentage doesn't look quite right to me so I'm calling bullshit on that particular mafia forumla since I don't really understand why you're squaring the root in the first place (damn internets).

    If you choose to roll, here is the chart calculated by 100/[totalPlayers] which is 3.7 rounded up or down to 3.

    1. white lancer is 1 to 3
    2. Speed Bike Pro is 4 to 6
    3. Hindenburg is 7 to 9
    4. Kyon is 10 to 12
    5. Roxas is 13 to 15
    6. Jo Nathan is 16 to 18
    7. MajorasMask9 is 19 to 21
    8. Apollo Justice is 22 to 24
    9. Pirate_Ninja is 25 to 27
    10. Redack is 28 to 30
    11. Castrael is 31 to 33
    12. Feral is 34 to 36
    13. Black Yoshi is 37 to 39
    14. weid man is 40 to 42
    15. Trever Leingod is 43 to 45
    16. igga is 46 to 48
    17. The Bandit is 49 to 51
    18. chiefsonny is 52 to 54
    19. Yeano is 55 to 57
    20. Zanic is 58 to 60
    21. #85 is 61 to 63
    22. Bubba is 64 to 66
    23. Count Dooku is 67 to 69
    24. hezekiah is 70 to 72
    25. LLight is 73 to 75
    26. Female Alpha Wolf is 76 to 78
    27. Shadowwalked is 79 to 81
    28. Re-Roll is 82 to 100

    Roll: (use ~(roll)~)

    Host Persective
    Day Round:
  • 19/27 70.37% chance that a townie is lynched.
    Townies: 19

  • 8/27 29.63% chance that a mafioso is lynched.
    Mafiosos: 8

    Mafia/Townie Perspective
    -1 on total players assuming you are that role and do not plan on voting to lynch yourself
    Day Round:
  • 19/26 73.08% chance that a townie is lynched.
    Townies: 19

  • 8/26 30.77% chance that a mafioso is lynched.
    Mafiosos: 8

    Mafia Perspective
    Night Round:
  • 19/(19) 100% chance that mafia murder a townie.
    Townies: 19

    Miscellaneous
  • (1/27)/27 0.14% chance that two or more roles select the same target.
    Where 1 is a 1/27 chance of selecting anyone.
    Total Players: 27

    Next Day Round Ratio Predictions
    Assumes Mafia do not kill their own and there is a kill every round from at least one faction.
    1. 16-8 -3 Town (2 unsuccessful Vigilante/Town) - Worst case scenario
    2. 17-7 -2 Town, -1 Mafia (1 unsuccessful Vigilante/Town, 1 successful Vigilante/Town)
    3. 18-6 -1 Town, -2 Mafia (2 successful Vigilante and Town) - Best case scenario
    4. 18-7 -1 Town, -1 Mafia (1 successful Vigilante/Town where either 1 Vigilante/Town fails)
    5. 18-8 -1 Town (2 unsuccessful Vigilante/Town)

    ---

    This concludes my post so if anyone wants to use it as an excuse to be suspicious of, then they are free to do so. Hopefully you remember my exploits and vociferous playstyle.

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    LLight

    And omg @ totally ignoring the Assassin role. Rewrite later.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    Not interested in LLight's random probabilities.

    Plus I'm probably gonna be the first night kill anyway.

    June 1, 2013
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    Redack

    Good. Who cares what Redack thinks until he has something meaningful to say anyway.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    It's also worth noting that MM9 and Yeano were observing the mafia game approximately 10 minutes before Day 1 started. This particular clique has frequent OOG talk.


    How can you say for certain we were observing the mafia game?

    June 1, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    You don't post anywhere else or very rarely do, plus post search reveals some activity tidbits.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    Is it fair that you are able to monitor our page clicks and use that as evidence in the game?

    June 1, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    plus post search


    So what you're saying is you're using a mod tool, that most players don't have access to.

    June 1, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    There's nothing against using online times. I know Xhin had to make some changes so that specific things couldn't be abused (ie monitoring who's viewing the forum.)

    Which is why I was curious how LLight was so sure that Yeano and myself were viewing the mafia forum.

    June 1, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Well, he did claim it was a "vociferous" playstyle.....

    June 1, 2013
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    Bubba

    I don't see why not, everyone can do it. This GT feature was actually nerfed because of me, Xhin even removed the yellow highlighting that indicated that you were viewing the same page as another person, so these observations are subject to a larger margin of error than before. I'm only using it to narrow down some likely scenarios.

    Also, I've noticed that chiefsonny's seconds/minutes ago tend to reset when he's playing the game. I've seen it reset a few times over the course of the morning without a post in sight. Possible mafia?

    If you think this is unfair, then feel free to host kill or game reset at any time.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    If you think this is unfair, then feel free to host kill or game reset at any time.

    As long as you're not using a mod tool it's fine.

    June 1, 2013
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    White Thunder

    So what you're saying is you're using a mod tool, that most players don't have access to.
    http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=World&mode=rep&user=MajorasMask9
    Are you forgetting that this method of post search was made public during the World forum moderator hiring session? It's nothing that everyone doesn't already have access to...

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    Err... http://gtx0.com/index.php?forum=newest&mode=rep&user=MajorasMask9

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    Oh, I guess I misread it as him actually seeing which pages we were viewing. In that case, yeah, like MM said, that isn't necessarily indicative of much, I refresh the Newest Replies page a lot. That doesn't necessarily mean I am viewing any particular forum or checking Mafia threads.

    Using that as a strategy seems as counter-intuitive as justifying votes with previous games which is why I'd like for you to rescind your vote for me, Bandit. That is, unless you have an actual reason to vote for me besides a petty grudge.

    June 1, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Which Recent Activity page are you using for refresh monitoring?

    June 1, 2013
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    Bubba

    Also, I've noticed that chiefsonny's seconds/minutes ago tend to reset when he's playing the game. I've seen it reset a few times over the course of the morning without a post in sight.


    I have to hit the reset button in the top left corner of my Chrome toolbar to top the little loading button from spinning. It drive me crazy.

    But personally if all you have to do is check on me. Well enough said.

    June 1, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    Mafia chatter tends to happen during the night round which is why the observation is better for night rounds, given that the only people who talk during the night rounds have either been Cultists, Masons, or Mafia. Townie power roles reply infrequently in their topics because they can only talk to the host. it also accurately identified Apollo during the critical last rounds of the last game, so don't underestimate it too, too much. I'm also aware of your habits, Speed. Your mistake was in the heat of a group chat, imo. Not using it to justify a vote just yet, but patterns can be revealed over the course of a few more night rounds.

    Which Recent Activity page are you using for refresh monitoring?

    javascript:show('top_clear');ajax('ajax/views','','','top_handler');

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    LLight

    Oh, LLight, and his unorthodox strategies. He certainly does add an...interesting flavor to the game, even if I'm not a big fan of using people's page refreshes as a weapon against them. Heck, I'll sometimes sit here and refresh the Mafia page without posting even when I'm Town-sided, because sometimes you're just waiting for someone to say something interesting. Plus it just kinda leaves a bad taste in my mouth to use information like that against someone.

    And I've never been a fan of the random rolling, for completely different reasons. I think it's a poor strategic move (gives us a better chance of hitting one of our own than a Mafia member every single time) as well as kinda leeches the whole point of the game away--you're not really playing Mafia if all everyone does is roll numbers on a chart and watch the person with the most unlucky hits, regardless of who they are and how they've been playing, get eliminated.

    I do find the statistical information interesting...however, there are some things I think you missed besides the Assassin. The Doctor, for instance, reduces the chances for the Mafia do actually kill a Townie during the night, as does Lazarus. The odds are still clearly overwhelming that the Mafia will hit a target, but they're not quite 100% (not that I'm going to bank on the Mafia not hitting someone, but if you're interested in completeness...).

    June 1, 2013
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    white lancer

    Thing is, you can't actually do the &user= feature in this forum; I tried that when Xhin brought the feature out and it gave me a ton of parse errors or MySQL errors or whatever. And Newest Posts/Replies doesn't load anything from Mafia or Adventure. So, basically, unless you're Xhin or LLight and you have access to everything that goes on backstage on this site, you have no way of viewing what others have posted in thsi forum outside of just reading the threads themselves.

    That said, it'll be the usual Day One No Kill for me, thank you.

    June 1, 2013
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    Black Yoshi

    To put non-mod players mind at ease. The mods have a tool where we can do a User Search, but it will not show post made in Mafia or the Adventure game.

    We also have a tool that will show the recent forums a site member has visited. It will not show what area of the forum you are in. If you just click on the Mafia thread it will show up as Mafia, and will not show where in Mafia you go.

    June 1, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    @Black Yoshi,

    Sorry. I must have been typing while you were posting.
    Thanks

    June 1, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    Nah, the Doctor, Lazarus, and Apprentice roles are buffer roles. They serve as nothing more than special effects and sacrificial bonding that may prevent a kill, but that's still covered in the outcome because the possible outcomes are what's at stake. The reason I freak out over missing the Assassin is because it's the 4th possible kill method whereas a role like governor or double voter still use the primary lynch method for kill. Probably won't include Assassin

    Kills are measured with either:
  • Mafia kill (night)
  • Assassin kill (night)
  • Townie lynch (day)
  • Vigilante kill (night)

    I used the randomize strategy as a trojan horse in past games because discussing it allows people to slip, like Jora in one game (but I lost!). I don't remember it being particularly effective that game, but there were players who would relish in the thought because it was pretty sound reasoning since it robs you of your role bias, which is what's important in a game of mafia during the day round. Found fun in discussing the percentages...

    Thing is, you can't actually do the &user= feature in this forum; I tried that when Xhin brought the feature out and it gave me a ton of parse errors or MySQL errors or whatever. And Newest Posts/Replies doesn't load anything from Mafia or Adventure. So, basically, unless you're Xhin or LLight and you have access to everything that goes on backstage on this site, you have no way of viewing what others have posted in thsi forum outside of just reading the threads themselves.

    I don't have that kind of access and the link I posted is case sensitive which is why you're getting MySQL errors. For instance, changing forum=Newest would reveal SQL errors whereas forum=newest would not.

    Also, you're all cocks for not voting Redack. I just knew ya'll were pussy enough to play cautious since mostly every game starts with a vote for No Kill.

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    LLight

    Probably won't include Assassin until next day round though, because it's mostly 7/20 to guess a power role with a 1/7 chance of guessing it right. Does not take into account human reading skills, which is where this role's strength is used.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    So if I've read everything correctly, we don't have any real leads at this point.

    Let's just get this day over with so we can move on to more exciting things quickly, shall we?

    June 1, 2013
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    Yeano

    I meant, I tried using the &user= tag in the Mafia forum, and it gave me squat. I think it might have the first time if I capitalized the tag, I can't remember, but I just tried again and all I saw was the forum header, pretty much. Xhin thought ahead and nerfed that feature here and in Adventure, I think.

    Anyway...

    June 1, 2013
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    Black Yoshi

    You can't view Newest Replies in the Mafia forum. yeanogame

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    When I get home, I'm going to have to read all of these.

    @LLight: Robots can sleep. Just need to turn them off. XD

    June 1, 2013
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    Castrael

    So if I've read everything correctly, we don't have any real leads at this point.

    Are there ever any real, clear leads? No.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    Generally not on day 1, but it is possible.

    June 1, 2013
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    Yeano

    The Doctor, for instance, reduces the chances for the Mafia do actually kill a Townie during the night, as does Lazarus. The odds are still clearly overwhelming that the Mafia will hit a target, but they're not quite 100% (not that I'm going to bank on the Mafia not hitting someone, but if you're interested in completeness...).

    Okay, actually yeah, I remember now, Doctor and Lazarus fall under the statistic where two or more roles select the same person. But you're also right because I don't have this taken into account for the outcomes.

    June 1, 2013
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    LLight

    We have yet to hear from:

    Trever
    weid
    Feral
    Pirate_Ninja
    hezekiah

    Meaning one of them, if any, is silenced.

    Fun fact, it also means that a minimum of three mafia members have spoken during this day round.

    June 1, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Wait wait wait wait. The doctor save comes after the mafia kill


    When I seen that, I checked back through the game where we had a doctor and in those games the Night Actions where the same as White Thunder has them.

    I assume the doc picks someone to protect and that person has been pick by the mafia to die, then the doc's action cancels out theirs.

    June 1, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    We have yet to hear from:

    Trever
    weid
    Feral
    Pirate_Ninja
    hezekiah

    Meaning one of them, if any, is silenced.


    I'd put my money on the silenced person being either Trever, PN, or hezekiah. And if I had to guess specifically, I'd say hezekiah.

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    We have yet to hear from:
    Trever
    weid
    Feral
    Pirate_Ninja
    hezekiah


    This is the reason I'm for letting Day 1 run it's full time, or until we have heard from everyone that can post.

    It may tell us who if anyone was silenced as well as who may not be active in the game.

    As for rather we lynch anyone or not is a matter of personal choice.

    In the earlier games I used to be dead set against a No Kill Vote. But the more I've played, the more unfair I think it is to vote for a player when there is absolutely nothing to go on.

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    chiefsonny
     

    With this large of a group we'll probably be waiting the 72 hours. Is this a mafia player record?

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    Bubba

    Hi all. Might have to go to teh hospital if these BITCH pains keep up. How do I know who to vote for?

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    weid man

    In the earlier games I used to be dead set against a No Kill Vote. But the more I've played, the more unfair I think it is to vote for a player when there is absolutely nothing to go on.

    I agree; while we have a somewhat decent chance at lynching a Mafia member (1/3 chance or so), we could be losing up to 3 players each night. I'd rather play it safe for the first day.

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    Apollo Justice

    We could be using up to 4 players each night.

    Do you... post pictures in the mafia thread, I wonder...? Because that would be hilarious. I remember your reaction last time too. Speed didn't have the same reaction, but this time is slightly different. Hahaha...

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    LLight

    I personally am not a fan of the checking page strategy. I feel as though it takes fun out of the game and prohibits us from actually using facts and such to figure it out ourselves.

    Thanks for everyone's congratulations. I finally did it.

    I'm voting for no kill because I want to end this round early. There's really not much point to killing off someone that has done nothing to stand themself out.

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    Zanic

    {fp}Totally Forgot to vote.

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    Zanic

    prohibits us from actually using facts

    But page statistics are the ONLY facts we have right now. They may be contrived and a long shot, but they are facts.

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    Bubba

    early is the time to gamble

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    #85

    Hi all. Might have to go to teh hospital if these BITCH pains keep up. How do I know who to vote for?

    {fp}

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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    Hi all. Might have to go to teh hospital if these BITCH pains keep up. How do I know who to vote for?


    Sorry to hear that.

    For the game. Read all the post very carefully. Pay attention to what is said. Go back to a previous Day and compare what is being said by everyone and see if there are contradictions in their post.

    If this is your first time playing (and I think it is at least the gtx0 ver.) it's going to be hard because you are not use to how people play.

    Good luck

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    chiefsonny
     

    Whether or not 85 is the Godfather as he (probably jokingly) stated, he has a reputation of voting for a lynch on Day One when Mafia. So I'm switching my vote to him for the time being.

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    `Roxas`

    I don't think any amount of votes will trump No Kill in this round. Pansies.

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    LLight

    I don't usually lynch day one, this is a different situation with so many people

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    #85

    Yeah, that's the problem. It would make me so happy if people got off their high horse and became men of action (also women of action, *cough*.

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    LLight

    Okay.

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    Yeano

    I'm not the one who's silenced. Unfortunately I have no cell service this weekend, I'm only able to post because the event I'm at has wifi available. I expect to be silent until set least tomorrow afternoon.

    I expect to cast a kill vote before the conclusion of the round.

    Like some others, I don't like using activity logs to

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    hezekiah

    develop data about who has the activity level of a maid member or other power role.

    Opera Mobile bugged out on me, so I was forced to split my post into two.

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    hezekiah

    I don't usually lynch day one, this is a different situation with so many people

    And when you do usually vote for a lynch, it's when you are Mafia. There have been at least two instances (don't recall the specific games) where you were Mafia and voted on Day One for a kill.

    One time I was the Cop and checked you, revealing an innocent vote. The only reason you were caught on Day Two was because the Journalist staked out the person who ended up dying on Night One.

    There was a separate time that this happened, I pointed it out and was ignored for a couple of rounds before you were lynched.

    I'm going off of your history with Day One voting when most of the town would prefer a no kill.

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    `Roxas`

    *shrug* better than nothing, Yeano. But can you make it majority?

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    LLight

    What happened to the First Lynch Redack?

    {:P} Apparently that was a joke, since we have our traditional "No Kill on First Day" anyways. I would hate to kill someone that hasn't given any of us a true sign. On the first day. Some can really manipulate our minds into thinking the wrong thing. I suggest we all be careful though.

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    Castrael

    Opera Mobile bugged out on me, so I was forced to split my post into two.


    I have used Opera and I hated it. I prefer Boat Browser Mini for the Android; if you have one.

    As for my iPod Touch: Safari works great.

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    Castrael

    If the doctor tries to save me, and the mafia votes to kill me, won't the mafia always kill me before the doctor can save me?

    You will go to the hospital and then the Doctor will heal you.

    Sorry, thought I said this already.

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    White Thunder

    My vote still stands for Redack if anyone is with me. I'm okay with having to die too because I work full time and won't have this sort of time during the weekday.

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    LLight

    Since hezekiah just spoke, I am inclined to believe that Trever is the one silenced.

    Not that this really matters. I just want to build some confidence with some early hunches before we get to the meat of the game.

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Since hezekiah just spoke, I am inclined to believe that Trever is the one silenced.


    And we also really haven't heard from anyone else either or have we?

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    Castrael

    Feral is also a good possibility as our silenced player--he's usually pretty active and I don't believe we've heard from him. Heck, I wouldn't even be too surprised if it's P_N.

    If it's Trever...somebody really doesn't want to let him play for some reason. {:P} Killed Night 1 last game, then silenced Day 1 this game...

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    white lancer

    I haven't seen Feral post anywhere on the site since last night. 5/31

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    chiefsonny
     

    So white lancer, do you still think a townie will sit there during the night round refreshing the page? Vanilla townies have no purpose doing that.

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    LLight

    I think there's a perfectly good reason for that, LLight.

    Sometimes the night round ends early. Maybe they were checking for that.

    Maybe they forgot something in the main thread and wanted to reread it.

    And maybe they do it just for fun. Who knows.

    But there are plausible reasons a townie would visit the mafia page several times during the night round.

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    Yeano

    Not when there are two or more and the gaps are in minutes, concise intervals and they take more than half an hour doing it. Something is up.

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    LLight

    But you don't know they were on the mafia page.

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    Bubba

    When people play mafia, they tend to stick with the game. Take hezekiah for example, dead as a doorknob, but posts in mafia galore. For the other players, I know which forums they tend to frequent and based on out of game behavior, they aren't normally that active unless there's an active conversation somewhere. Process of elimination leads me to believe they're playing mafia, having a conversation there in the dead of night.

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    LLight

    I'm still around, and I'll post a few things here and there. There's just not a whole lot of conversation going on and I think most people have decided on No Kill for Day One.

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    Castrael

    Oh my goodness so much to read through... x___x

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    Female Alpha Wolf

    Visited with a dead guy, and let me tell you what, not the best experience.

    Necrophilia doesn't suit you Roxas {:P}

    Ordinarily white lancer is not too for no kills on Day 1 (especially with a Sensor around, but we don't have one) but he is quite right, there's always too little to go on for Day 1 to make a good call.

    LLight apparently took Business Statistics or something like it and turned it into Mafia Statistics {:P} Interesting take on it. I might start following suit just for the heck of it.

    Yeah I don't recall agreeing to kill Redack first thing... if he's not Mafia he instincts will be very useful to us in spotting out the little lunatics. I would keep an eye on Yeano though (shifty)

    Too much else to read through... No kill for today.

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    Trever Leingod

    poop, peep. boob

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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    So white lancer, do you still think a townie will sit there during the night round refreshing the page? Vanilla townies have no purpose doing that.

    No, I agree that it's curious, to say the least. I just don't think it's conclusive, and I'm not willing to vote someone out based solely on that. I've pretty much done all of the things Yeano mentioned above in different games, so I think there are enough possibilities to keep it from being anything close to a guarantee.

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    white lancer

    Ordinarily white lancer is not too for no kills on Day 1 (especially with a Sensor around, but we don't have one) but he is quite right, there's always too little to go on for Day 1 to make a good call.

    It's not so much that I'm 100% opposed to a No Kill vote on Day 1 (it's a better day to No Kill than most), but I generally like the day to be stretched out as long as possible no matter what we wind up deciding to do. The better for everyone to post and for the Mafia to potentially slip up. ;)

    Anyway, I did want to run down the new roles we have in this game. The Apprentice is actually a pretty powerful role IMO--if the Mafia manage to hit our Cop or Doctor early, we'll have a replacement ready to go. I'm not confident on this (maybe Thunder can confirm/deny), but it's possible that the Apprentice will simply gain access to the power role's old thread, so I suggest that anyone with a power role post their thoughts in their own thread so that someone at least has access to them if you get taken out. The nice thing is that we'll know who the Apprentice takes over for since there's no Janitor in this game.

    Lazarus is a potentially powerful role as well, and his play is fairly obvious--just select someone you think is suspicious every night and hope to get lucky. Obviously let us know who you targeted unless you have some very good reason to suspect you were hit by the Vig (e.g. too many people died in the night round). For that matter (and this is going to be a little hypocritical, given how I played it last round :D), the Vig should probably not take very many shots, if any at all, just to avoid confusing Lazarus and getting caught.

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    white lancer

    the Apprentice will simply gain access to the power role's old thread

    Nope. The Apprentice has their own thread and will be informed of their role and will use powers from there.

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    White Thunder

    Huh. In protest to some of the strategies previously used in this game, I had been considering posting - jokingly - that I would set up a script to monitor page views to see who was accessing the game and when. That someone else is actually doing something nearly identical and it is being allowed is something that surprises me.

    I just don't think, in a game of Mafia, that the Mafia members should have to be afraid to post in their own thread. It kinda defeats the purpose for them to play.

    Perhaps it's unavoidable, but I sincerely hope I don't offend anyone with this post.

    And I can't believe nobody has heeded my warning. She is a menace and must be stopped before it's too late!

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    Jo Nathan

    I just don't think, in a game of Mafia, that the Mafia members should have to be afraid to post in their own thread. It kinda defeats the purpose for them to play.

    {y}

    Takes the fun out of the game.

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    chiefsonny
     

    And it's not just Mafia. Some townies have Night actions.

    But out of respect for White Thunder and white lancers, we should let them decide if even talking about this violets the new rules.

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    chiefsonny
     

    *violets{fp}

  • violates

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    chiefsonny
     

    Yeah, in hindsight I should have waited until after the game to say my piece.

    But don't get me wrong- I am still having fun with the game so far, watching the votes fly all over the place. Not quite enough evidence to damn anyone to the noose just yet, I guess.

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    Jo Nathan

    Yeah, but I did earlier when mafia was still fairly new to GT and actually had a script that checked page views in previous games. Not that hard to rewrite, but the one that I was referring to here was one for stats. I kinda get paid to think outside of the box while inside of it, so using things readily available to everyone is fair game, imo.

    The rules should be more clearly defined on actions that are disallowed instead of having Xhin constantly change the landscape of mafia games because something is found. There might be an iron blanket on this forum, but outside of your armadillo shell, you're vulnerable.

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    LLight

    Maybe the mafia should just kill LLight haha WHO SAID THAT

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    MajorasMask9

    In regards to my concerns about #85 this game, here's the one of the instances I was referring to:

    Game 7*, Day 1: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=67367
    Game 7*, Day 2: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=67458

    Note that he says he always pushes for a Day 1 lynch, but when you look at past games on Day 1:

    Game 6: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=66089
    Doesn't post during Day 1, ended up being a Townie.

    Game 5: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=65076
    Very talkative, randomly voted. Townie.

    Game 4: (Infamous LLight as Cop Game): http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=62888
    Voted No Kill; Mafia Thug.

    Game 3 (Mafia Cult): http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=62455
    Wasn't Mafia, Voted for Knux

    Game 2*: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=60802
    No vote , first round sacrifices are dumb.

    Godfather.

    Game 1: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=59636
    Voted for Feral, Townie.

    (*) INDICATES GAME RESET

    I'm not going to go through Games 8 onward through his last time playing, and I'm not including the Star Wars Specials we did last summer.

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    `Roxas`

    And I can't believe nobody has heeded my warning. She is a menace and must be stopped before it's too late -Jo Nathan


    I don't get it. Weren't you her partner in crime? And now you are using that against her? What about you?

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    All of that evidence you just gathered kind of vindicates #85, Roxas. There doesn't seem to be any correlation between his first round votes and his role.

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    The Bandit

    But out of respect for White Thunder and white lancers, we should let them decide if even talking about this violets the new rules.

    It will be allowed this game because I don't want to make and instate a new rule in the middle of a game. As for future games that's up to lancer and/or other hosts, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a new rule against this kinda thing after this game.

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    White Thunder

    If you guys want to allow someone in the Mafia to Day Two and forward, go on and let them pick us off. I'm certain 85 is Mafia, and I'll continue voting for him until he's out of the game.

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    `Roxas`

    I mean, I'll be happy to vote for him as a random kill like I was with Speed, because I do think it's a pretty safe strategy for a while. But, I don't find your evidence very convincing. : /

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    The Bandit

    because I do think it's a pretty safe strategy for a while -Bandit


    70.37% chance of killing a town-based role if you vote randomly is safe?

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I have no problem with risking the murder of townies, or even townie power roles. I think the governor, double voter, lazarus, and even the vigilante in the wrong hands are all totally worthless. The only role I would really cry over is the cop, and to a lesser degree the doctor.

    I am not an expert at this game in anyway, so my analysis could obviously be wrong, but I used to believe it was best for the mafia if the town was risky with kills. After all, they are more likely to kill a townie than a mafia. I don't agree with that anymore. The town has to lynch in order to win. If the town fails to lynch, then the mafia wins by default. Might as well get started, imo.

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    The Bandit

    It's also important to note that you are almost never 100% certain about this game. That's kind of the point of it: putting a picture together with incomplete information. In that respect, even 7-3 isn't that terrible of odds, especially if the "risk" is only losing a worthless townie.

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    The Bandit

    I'd be down for a day one lynch if someone presents a case better than "let's get lucky".

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I think that's a perfectly valid way to approach the game. I just happen to disagree with you.

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    The Bandit

    No Kill currently leading with 10 votes.

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    Bubba

    I don't get it. Weren't you her partner in crime? And now you are using that against her? What about you?


    I was just joking around. In reality, I have no reason to suspect her at this point. It's usually hard to home in on any one suspect on Day 1.

    Although I must say Roxas has said some interesting things regarding #85. Hmm....

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    Jo Nathan

    Day 1 came and went with lots of chatter, but as usual nothing THAT eventful. And besides, everybody wants some night actions to talk about {:P}

    1. white lancer
    2. Speed Bike Pro
    3. Hindenburg
    4. Kyon
    5. Roxas
    6. Jo Nathan
    7. MajorasMask9
    8. Apollo Justice
    9. Pirate_Ninja
    10. Redack
    11. Castrael
    12. Feral
    13. Black Yoshi
    14. weid man
    15. Trever Leingod
    16. igga
    17. The Bandit
    18. chiefsonny
    19. Yeano
    20. Zanic
    21. #85
    22. Bubba
    23. Count Dooku
    24. hezekiah
    25. Llight
    26. Female Alpha Wolf
    27. Shadowwalked

    Town-Mafia ratio: 19-8

    Town roles: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Governor, Double-Voter, Apprentice, Lazarus, Townie x12

    Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Silencer, Hooker, Mafioso x4

    24 hours or until all night actions are in.

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    White Thunder

    You all can thank Roxas for notifying me I ended early {:P} I was going off the original post time, which was a day earlier, completely forgetting about Night 0. Carry on for another 24 hours.

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    White Thunder

    {fp}{n}{n}

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    `Roxas`

    I have no problem with risking the murder of townies, or even townie power roles. I think the governor, double voter, lazarus, and even the vigilante in the wrong hands are all totally worthless. The only role I would really cry over is the cop, and to a lesser degree the doctor.

    I gotta disagree with this, mostly because power roles are useful for more than just their power. Yeah, the Governor and Double-Voter powers are both pretty useless in most (but not all) situations, but their real utility comes in the fact that they are provable Town-sided roles, which can be huge if they survive to the end of the game. I also don't think Lazarus's power is worthless (if it works just the once, it wastes a Mafia nightkill as well as exposes a Mafia member to the Town), and while you're right that the Vig is a double-edged sword, it's still better to have a living Vig than a living Townie because of the roleclaiming factor.

    That doesn't mean that you're not right in pushing for more aggression--I actually tend to agree. But don't be so quick to toss aside power roles and their importance, especially in the late game.

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    white lancer

    And here I was excited that Day 1 was over :(.

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    MajorasMask9

    Heh, I thought you were saving us from our boredom by ending it early. It seems all of the conversing for this round has ended.

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    Bubba

    Me too Majora ;/

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    Castrael

    meanwhile I was worried I almost missed the whole thing~

    Not that there's been a lot to miss yet, just a bunch of reading to catch up on.

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    Pirate_Ninja

    Noting I've read so far warrants a Day 1 lynching.

    Is there anyone that has not posted or voted yet?

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    chiefsonny
     

    By the tally count, only 19 have voted. If we get five more no-kill votes we can end this round early.

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    Jo Nathan

    Ehhhhh

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    Yeano

    Feral's the only one who hasn't spoken this round.

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    `Roxas`

    I think it's safe to assume that Feral is silenced based on the amount of talking he does during other games.

    I'd suggest we end this round early. Although 85 may be acting like he normally does, I'm not sure if that's enough evidence to lynch him right off the bat. It could come back to haunt us. I don't want to risk taking a shot at our cop or doctor, even if we have an Apprentice.

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    Zanic

    adsfadf

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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I guess I'll switch to no kill as well then, if we're trying to end day one early.

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    igga

    Won't necessarily be "early," but before the 72 hour mark is reached, yeah.

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    `Roxas`

    mhm, let's

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    Pirate_Ninja

    k

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    The Bandit

    Aaand that's the round.

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    `Roxas`

    AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    End of round information seen above.

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    White Thunder

    Reply to: night 1 again no for real this time

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