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night 1 like a virgin

Posted December 11, 2013 by Apollo Justice

The Chef and the Treestump rose early, calling everyone to the Town Square for some passionate conversation.

The town decided it may be time to kill.

Players:

1. Pirate_Ninja
2. Jo Nathan
3. Yeano
4. Speed Bike Pro
5. `Roxas`
6. Helius
7. weid man
8. Castrael
9. MajorasMask9
10. white lancer
11. Xhin
12. The Bandit
13. chiefsonny
14. Zanic
15. Hindenburg
16. hezekiah
17. Bubba
18. Kyon
19. Lady Flare

Ratio: 12-5-2

Roles:
Godfather, Hooker, Interceptor, Mafioso, Marksman
Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Virgin, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x4
Journalist, Prosecutor

13 votes for the same option or 72 hours to end the round.

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hordy

December 11, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Forever dead.

December 12, 2013
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LLight

oh dry

December 12, 2013
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hezekiah

Yikes, it's awfully tense in here... Why don't I break the ice with a joke...

What do you get when you cross an owl with a bungee cord?

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

So, just an idea.

I am considering starting a Day 1 lynch against weid. It seems like a play I would make and, excluding the potential assistance of Bandit who always lusts for a Day 1 lynch, it would surely fail because people wouldn't want to risk lynching a power role just because the person is weid. Plus, weid will only say what we tell him to so we have as much control over the situation as possible.

The only way I see it backfiring is if weid actually got lynched but I don't think 1, maybe 2 votes would be enough to override the inevitable wave of no kill votes.

Thoughts?

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

The town decided it may be time to kill.

We're such a wonderful community.

December 12, 2013
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white lancer

Yes, time for kill <3

December 12, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I nominate weird for eviction

December 12, 2013
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`Roxas`

Weid*

December 12, 2013
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`Roxas`

Seconded.

If he's mafia, then that's obviously good for the town. If he's town, his loss would certainly be unfortunate but I don't think he quite has a grasp on the game.

This vote is subject to change but I think this is our best option for a Day 1 lynch. Sorry, weidums.

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

It seems the lynch weid express might have more passengers than expected. Regardless, I didn't want to wait any longer, otherwise it might've seemed suspicious.

I will try to get weid to post things right around the same time as particular people but never myself or any of the other mafia. That way, it might seem as if weid is only posting at the same time as other people because they are the ones telling him what to say.

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Question/clarification about the Interceptor role.

If he targets X person's house and X has no visitors, then does X die?

But if X does have a visitor, Y then do X and Y die or only Y?

And if X has more than one visitor one of the visitors dies based on a roll. And only if there is more than one visitor does his identity get revealed, right?

December 12, 2013
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Lady Flare

From my understanding, the Interceptor can only kill people who visit a house. So if they visit a house with no other visitors, the person inside will remain alive. And in the event of multiple visitors, a roll will be used to determine who dies and the Interceptor will be revealed.

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I don't necessarily agree with the plan to kill weid right off the bat. First off, he hasn't even posted yet, so we have zero evidence to go off of. And I don't really care how slim of a chance it is that we hit a power role. I'd rather keep them around for at least a few days...{:/}

December 12, 2013
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Zanic

Yeah, but... It's weid.

December 12, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

I know normally I am all for the day one kill, but this is different. He hasn't even posted yet for God's sakes.

December 12, 2013
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Zanic

I can't say I'm a fan of the idea of lynching weidman just because he might not have a good grasp on the game, and I'm a little wary of the people who voted him so early. Like Zanic said, he hasn't even posted yet.

This is a numbers game and even if one of those numbers is highly unpredictable, they're still a number. What if he's a sleepwalker? If he's a town sided role, let the mafia take him out. I'd think that as long as the town has a majority, nothing weid does would hurt the town.

December 12, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Well hello everyone. This is my second game of GT Mafia so yes I am totally new to this game. I am currently trying to learn how to play DOTA 2, DICK of the ancients.

December 12, 2013
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weid man

Alright, this is good. I stirred up enough of a response to the lynching thing and I got weid to post directly after Zanic/Majora. If nothing else, this should generate enough discussion involving a bunch of players to open up our options for the rest of the game.

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm not OK with voting for weid. I know the last game he played was a disaster for his team, but I don't care. It's just not cool man. Also, last game he was mafia and his team demanded that he not say anything. If he was mafia, I think it would be smart for his teammates to use that same tactic, especially now a few people defending him. The fact that he's said something makes me think he's innocent.

I'll vote for anyone else on Day1 for any other strategy or reason, but not the "it's a win win because it's weid."

December 12, 2013
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The Bandit

Well, if no one's on board with the weid murder strategy, then I guess we could sing some campfire songs. Who wants to start?

December 12, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

The fact that [weid] said something makes me think he's innocent.

-The Bandit


This is like music to my ears.

December 12, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I will!

Hit me with your best SMASH, FIRE AWAAAAAAY

You put up a fight, that's not fair

With META KNIGHT, see if I care

Knock me off it's all in vain

I'll get back up on the stage again

December 12, 2013
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weid man

Also, last game he was mafia and his team demanded that he not say anything. If he was mafia, I think it would be smart for his teammates to use that same tactic, especially now a few people defending him.


This is actually a really good point. Not just because his team told him to stay quiet in his last game, but because he explicitly asked the mafia to tell him what to say.

I think we'd be making a mistake voting for weid right now.

December 12, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Heads, I kill someone...

Tails, I don't kill someone...

December 12, 2013
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Helius

Well, that worked out interesting... Best two out of three.

December 12, 2013
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Helius

Last one for round 1....

December 12, 2013
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Helius

Ignore what I said earlier... I have the power to kill, and I have somewhat of a death wish obviously...


Let's kill Hindy.

December 12, 2013
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Helius

I thought about this game a lot today, and I would love to see a delayed role reveal. Have the sleepers come forward today, then tomorrow tell the town I want everyone else to come forward. There's only 4 townies to hide in if you do it that way. That puts us at a greater than 50% chance of hitting a mafia, plus we have the Guard who can get us at least one kill in the group. Town Drunk and Doctor have a chance of blocking the Night kill, and Investigator has a chance of guaranteeing us a future kill.

I could even be upfront about it today, rather than waiting to say I want a massive role clain. If just the sleepers come forward today, that gives all of the town's power roles one night to use their stuff without too much fear of being caught. It also effectively limits the mafia from hiding within the sleepers, which would be the problem with everyone revealing on day 1. Even if some mafia decide to claim sleeper, we still have a small pool to work in to find mafia which is an advantage for us. Hmmm. I don't think a lot of people like the idea of a role claim, though, even if they would buy my arguments that it's a good strategy, because it might ruin the fun of the game for them.

I'm having a hard time seeing any faults with this plan, but maybe I'm just being stupid. The hard part is getting the sleepers to reveal today without getting myself killed tonight. Going to sleep on it and decide what I want to do tomrrow, but I think it would be really cool and fun to take this route.

December 12, 2013
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The Bandit

Helius kills Hindenburg - 50 or under, role not revealed, 51 or higher, role revealed

December 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

The sound of a bullet resonated throughout the town. Hindenburg, the Marksman, fell to the ground, blood spewing out of his chest. No one knew where the shot came from... But a Mafia member would fall on Day 1.

Players:

1. Pirate_Ninja
2. Jo Nathan
3. Yeano
4. Speed Bike Pro
5. `Roxas`
6. Helius
7. weid man
8. Castrael
9. MajorasMask9
10. white lancer
11. Xhin
12. The Bandit
13. chiefsonny
14. Zanic
15. Hindenburg - Marksman
16. hezekiah
17. Bubba
18. Kyon
19. Lady Flare

Ratio: 12-4-2

Roles:
Godfather, Hooker, Interceptor, Mafioso
Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Virgin, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x4
Journalist, Prosecutor

December 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Also, this isn't the end of the Day. This is a mid-round update on the current state of affairs.

December 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Nice shot! And you weren't revealed!

December 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

So I'm going to assume that was the work of the guard. Unless Hindenburg shot himself. Great job! A little risky, but I would agree because Hinden seemed a little too eager to hop on to kill weid with no evidence whatsoever.

December 12, 2013
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Zanic

I recieve 1 point for every lynch I influence. Does this mean I could totally lie in my report if I wanted to, get a townie lynched, and still get a point?


If the published findings influence a lynching, then yes, you can totally lie and still get a point.

Also, can I write whatever I want in my articles? Even if it's unrelated to my findings?


Yes sir.

I gotta hand it to you, it's always great seeing people so critically engaged in strategy concerning Mafia (especially with something like a third party role that you have). I love rereading over the Power Role/Mafia threads after games end for that reason.

December 12, 2013
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Apollo Justice

gay af

December 12, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Well thank you. I'm usually pretty quiet when I have my own thread, because I look dumb when I'm wrong, but it is helpful to put my thoughts somewhere.

I wonder if Hidenburg actually shot himself loool. I don't know him very well, but I can see "can i kill myself?" being the first question he asked. Just seems too much of a coincidence that he was the Marksman, and while I wouldn't think it's out of reach that a Vigilante would take a stab at him, it's hard to believe that the Guard would risk revealing himself. Though he was instantly on my radar for latching onto weid like that, I know I wouldn't think the risk is worth it this early. However, I know Lancer has taken a Day1 stab before as the Vig, and it would make sense for him to do it since he probably figures he'll die early anyway. Maybe Majora? Or Yeano? I don't know how risky they play, but they're crafty. Since Yeano doesn't play often, I can see him taking that kind of risk as well. I'm guessing not Zanic because it would be pretty weird to fellate his move like that, though that's a strategy I now want to use in the future but can't because I've talked about it. :(

I was actually scared that that ended the round and I wouldn't have any chance at all with my plan. Unfortunately, this still weakens my role reveal plan slightly. 50% chance of hitting a mafia member is a little less convincing than greater than 50%, but it's still really good to me. Like, 33% chance is good to me, but I'm weird like that. I was about 99% committed to it as well. Even if it failed spectacularly, or even if everyone shot it down, it would be cool to suggest something that I'm not sure has ever been done before in GT mafia.

I feel like I almost have to suggest it at this point, however, because I think the mafia might suspect that I'm behind that kill if they don't reckon Hidenburg offed himself. They suspected me when Lancer killed hezekiah on Day1.

Also, if I was going to play the Journalist straight, I would have typed all of my messages lkie tihs 2 hdie msyelf which would have annoyed everyone. I COULD still just reveal. The mafia simply will not kill me since I don't affect the ratio, and I can only get Hookered half the time anyway. I'd probably live through the whole game, maybe still get some points, and I wouldn't have to type annoyingly.

SO MANY OPTIONS IDK WHAT DO

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The Bandit

Ha...! A bold play indeed, but well worth the risk. Give my regards to the guard.

December 12, 2013
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MajorasMask9

*wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg*

Question is now whether or not Hindenburg was the first on the bandwagon. The Mafia typically avoids going for a group kill this early in the game (let alone round), but you never know.

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Bubba

Well, that worked out nicely.

December 12, 2013
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Helius

But a Mafia member would fall on Day 1.


Now that is a cool twist to the game.{y}

kudos to the Guard.

December 12, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

So I just got on and see that the Guard took someone out... Kudos.

December 12, 2013
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Helius

Why are there no notifications?

Hello, I'm here. oh, I see a Mafia has been shot.

December 12, 2013
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Castrael

Weid Vote
`Roxas` - Weid
Speed Bike Pro – Weid

Questionable
MM9 – Mafia comment
Bandit – Blood Lust (seems pretty normal but still…)

Something Seems Off
Zanic

12 – 4 – 2

So… Mafia is going to be pissed, mainly because I took one of their own out on Day 1. They are going to want to track me down, and kill me if they figure out that I’m the Guard. Of course, they could chalk it up to luck, but it will have them second guessing, I guess.

The rest of the town if I was wrong, could have hated my guts, but this time it worked out well for me.

As far as the reason for Hindy being shot instead of the Bandit (which I almost went for) was that he seemed eager to get rid of weid and he was hoping to start a murder bandwagon… normally, I’d go for that myself, but the mechanics of the game are startling. There is also the no evidence of weid being Mafia; however, I’m betting that was a ploy to save weid, but then again, there was no reason to go after weid… Roxas though may be wanting to get rid of a team mate?

Speedy seems a bit off with the weid kill, but it may be that he just doesn’t want him around. It’s a tough read.

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Helius

Sheesh... Tough crowd tonight... You know what they say, everyone with a gun is a critic...

I'll change my vote when we reach a decision.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Good play by the Guard. A little risky but it turned out wonderfully.

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Lady Flare

Sorry, Hind, but your death is a double bonus for the town. Not only did they knock off a Mafia power role, but in doing so, they also prooved Weid's innocence.

If I were a townie, I'd keep an eye on Mr. Pro.

December 12, 2013
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Feral

So losing our Marksman right off the bat is pretty bad if for no other reason than our numbers are already dwindling but since it was Hindenburg, I don't think we lost too much.

I'm a little worried that my move to lynch weid was too aggressive but regardless, I'm banking on getting the pass that I usually get. Hopefully the Guard doesn't take a big poop on me tomorrow.

As for the Guard, I'm not so sure it was a play made out of suspicion as it was a play made out of personal dislike for Hindenburg (coupled with some suspicion). That may be able to narrow down the list a bit, I'll go comb over previous games to see the people who publicly stated their frustration with Hindenburg.

Regardless, I think we should stick to a plan of protecting weid man and keeping PN off the radar, which should be easy to do since it matches his playstyle.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Tough crowd? How Speed? There's nothing to vote for.

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Castrael

Hi. I'm the Journalist. I want the Town to win.

I'm going to propose a plan that I know a lot of people are not going to like, but I've put some thought into it and I honestly feel like it's an absolutely fantastic chance for the town to almost guarantee a victory.

Today, all three Sleepers should role reveal, as well as the Virgin. We lynch our Virgin. Then tomorrow, we ask everyone else to reveal as well.

This may sound a little crazy, but hear me out. Assuming none of the mafia decide to try and claim sleeper or one of our power roles, and assuming the prosecutor plays ball (and I don't know why he wouldn't, as claiming Townie would only increase the probability that he's killed, while claiming his real role would almost insure that he gets a survival point), we would then have a 50% chance of hitting a mafia member on Day 2. That's odds I don't think we have ever had guaranteed in this game, and we probably will never have those kinds of odds again. Those numbers will shrink with time, but we’ll have a decent supply of info to back it up. I doubt the mafia will kill me, since I do not affect the ratio, and while I can be Hookered, I can still cause damage at least half of the nights with my power. That’s not even counting the other roles. With close to 50% odds on each kill, backed up by info, we're in fantastic shape to take the game VERY easily. Not to mention our own skills at deducting who the mafia are.

Yes, there are downsides to this plan. Our power roles will be absolutely crushed very quickly. But I assume that by the time we lose all of our power roles, we won't even need them because we'll be slaughtering the mafia pretty fast ourselves.

The Interceptor and Hooker are our greatest enemies. Right now, the ratio is 12-4. Tomorrow, it will be 11-4. Assuming we get unlucky on Day 2 and hit a townie, the ratio will be 10-4, with 3 regular townies remaining and 4 mafia. I would assume that on Night 2, the Hooker will just block the Investigator, as he’s probably the biggest threat to them, and the mafia would kill either the Doctor or the Drunk, depending on what they feel like the Doctor is going to do. Now, say we get even unluckier and our Drunk or Investigator enter the same room as the Interceptor (which is INCREDIBLY unlikely given that there are only 3 options that the Interceptor has access to at this point, while our power roles would have 7). The ratio would then be 7-4. However, there would only be 2 townies remaining at that point (whoever enters the townie’s room would die, as well as the power role, and their regular night kil). 4 out of 7 times we would hit a mafia member on Day 3. The likelihood of us being wrong again, with all the information we’re likely to have at that point, is incredibly low.

However, we could easily choose to bypass this by having two people declare which room they will enter publicly. We then force the Interceptor to enter another room. Even if we don’t decide to do that, there are a billion other ways that we won’t lose 3 townies in one night. The Drunk could block the Interceptor or the mafia night kill. The Doctor could save the mafia night kill. Or the mafia could simply accidentally kill the same person as the Interceptor would with their night kill.

The important point is that even if the worst possible scenario for us happens, we’ll still have some information going into Day 3 AND our odds will be FANTASTIC to hit any mafia member. Everything could easily go right for us and the ratio will be amazingly in our favor. And, if it’s not, the fantastic odds we have on getting a mafia kill should offset that.

Killing the Virgin is absolutely essential and a huge benefit to us. If the 3 sleepers claim and we don’t lynch the Virgin, the mafia have a greater than 50% chance of hitting one of our power roles. Killing the Virgin gives us a free night of collecting information that we can then happily share with each other. It’s essentially the same as the mafia getting a regular Night kill, but with us getting lucky and avoiding the Interceptor and Hooker. So, yeah, sorry Virgin. I’m sure you’ll get a good playing point for sacrificing yourself. :(

Well, no, I’m not sure of that. I AM sure that you’ll get a winning team point though.

Delaying the reveal is also necessary. If everyone comes forward today, the mafia can much more easily hide among the sleepers and townies, giving us a larger pool to choose from. By waiting, we force the mafia to choose to either divide their forces into claiming sleeper and townie (which shouldn’t affect the numbers at all), foolishly claim power roles, or all claim townie. No matter what happens, we’ll have the advantage.

I know many of you will probably feel that this distorts the rules of the game in some way. I disagree. We’re still forced to use our wits to deduce who the mafia members are. Like with the Sensor, we’re simply narrowing our focus into a much smaller group.

Even if you guys don’t go through with this, I’m fine with revealing my role. I did it to demonstrate the sincerity of my plan, but there isn’t much downside from what I can see, unless I’m misinterpreting the roles somehow. The mafia aren’t going to kill me since I don’t affect the ratio, at least I hope not, and while I might get Hookered, I can still give you guys some info every now and then without having to try and hide my writing style.

If you need me to clarify anything, please ask. Or if I’ve overlooked something, please let me know and I’ll go hide in embarrassment.

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The Bandit

Just to be clear:

ONLY THE SLEEPERS SHOULD REVEAL TODAY. IF YOU ARE NOT A SLEEPER DO NOT STATE YOUR ROLE, THAT KILLS THE PLAN.

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The Bandit

Not sure if this is the case in this game, but I know the last time we had sleepwalkers, they were only told they were townies and did not know they were sleepwalkers.

Ever-loving hosts, can we get this detail clarified?

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Jo Nathan

Sigh. It does say under the role list that they "unknowingly" visit someone's house. I didn't bother to look at that list because I thought all the roles were explained in the first thread. : / Oh well.

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The Bandit

Why should the Sleepers reveal their role?

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Castrael

Why should the Sleepers reveal their role?


Why do we even have Sleepers. They're worthless as tits on a bull.

They have no special powers.
They are in the Night Actions list, but have no thread, which means they are controlled by the host. I assume by (hope) a random roll.

So if the roll sends them to a mafia house does that mean the are killed.

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chiefsonny
 

Why do we even have Sleepers. They're worthless as tits on a bull.


As worthless as tits on a bull are, I don't feel that's the case with the Sleepwalkers. They present a threat to the Interceptor; the more roles going around at night, the better for the town because the Interceptor will likely be revealed. As for dying simply for going to a mafia's house, that's not the impression I got from the Night 0 post but I may be wrong.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Chiefsonny seems awfully steamed about the Sleepwalker role. Based on his history, I'm gonna go ahead and assume for now that he is a Sleepwalker. Therefore, he is not high on my priority list for a night kill tonight.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Not sure if this is the case in this game, but I know the last time we had sleepwalkers, they were only told they were townies and did not know they were sleepwalkers.


The Sleepwalkers know that they are Sleepwalkers.

They are in the Night Actions list, but have no thread, which means they are controlled by the host. I assume by (hope) a random roll.

So if the roll sends them to a mafia house does that mean the are killed.


The Sleepwalkers will visit a house every night determined by a random draw beginning Night 1, as there were no Night actions.

Visiting a Mafia's home does not mean that they are killed. Sleepwalkers were placed in the game for the sake of the Journalist and the Interceptor to create a more balanced game on both ends.

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Apollo Justice

as there were no Night actions.


no Night 0 actions*

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Apollo Justice

My dick is hungry and horny for suckers! cherry being my favorite flavor. 7eleven slurPENIS!

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weid man

As I thought, thanks.

What if I get the Virgin drunk... does anything fun happen?

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hezekiah

Sleepwalkers were placed in the game for the sake of the Journalist and the Interceptor to create a more balanced game on both ends.


But they will not know who's house they visited or if the person is town sided or Mafia. So they can't report anything. Right?

So they are there as distractions for the Journalist and the Interceptor?

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chiefsonny
 

My favourite mafia sided role, dead on day 1. {:/}

The Bandit is likely telling the truth this time. Train of thought is believable with plausible mistake for someone thinking hard. Speedy Bikes has changed his play style, I agree. Could be mafia. He's a lot more serious this time around. No more hanky panky.

Xhin tried a mass role claim once and it didn't work out too well because the town wasn't very cooperative.

Nothing out of the ordinary from Majora.

Lazy.

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LLight

Is there a pattern forming or is it just me. The Bandit wants to sacrifice me again. This was his attitude when we were Mafia and I was the expendible one. One of these games I may have to meet him in a dark alley somewhere and have a little discussion about this.

I would like to survive the game. But Lynching me does benefit the Town a lot more than if I'm night killed especially since the Marksmen is gone. I need to think about this some more and see what others have to say. And I want at least one Sleepwalker to reveal before I do more for commitment's sake than for anything else. It's my neck after all.

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Lady Flare

And another question: what if the Interceptor and Journalist visit the same target, and the Interceptor is the first to vote for the mafia's kill of that target? I'm hoping that this would result in the coin flip between the mafia's killing action and the Journalist's watching, but am guessing that this is incorrect and that you'd literally be doing it based on players visiting the house.

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hezekiah

But they will not know who's house they visited or if the person is town sided or Mafia. So they can't report anything. Right?

Right. It's like they're stumbling around blind, and end up at somebody's house. They don't know where they are and they don't do anything there.

So they are there as distractions for the Journalist and the Interceptor?

Seems to me like a distraction for the Journalist, and a way to buff the Interceptor.


If we end up doing this mass roleclaim (and I'm leaning towards it being a good idea), we should consider if we'd want to do it privately. I know you're all shocked I'm bringing this up. Assuming that Bandit is being truthful about his identity, we could just all tell him our roles privately.

All that I feel comfortable claiming right now is that I am not the Journalist.

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hezekiah

Yes, chief. The first thing I posted in my thread was how annoying it would be to play this role straight with the sleepwalkers.

Why should the Sleepers reveal their role?

Are you asking why should the sleepers reveal first, rather than all of us coming forward together? It doesn't seem to practically make a difference wether we all reveal today or only the sleepers. I mean, we'll instantly know based on the number of roles where the mafia have hidden themselves. But it seems more advantageous for us if only the sleepers reveal today because they are smaller in number. The way a person reveals tell us something. If we have a mass reveal, it will be much harder to pin down the sleepers and townies as being suspicious. It just helps us focus more on each group, in my opinion.

Also, if we lynch the Virgin today, the mafia cannot night kill our roles. However, the Hooker is still active. If we all come forward today, the Hooker could block our Investigator, which we really don't want to happen.

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The Bandit

Actually the only one who needs to reveal today is the Virgin. The Sleepwalkers could hold off until Day 2 giving the Hooker more targets to choose from.

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Lady Flare

I really disagree with that. Having the sleepers reveal today gives our power roles people to look at tonight, risk free.

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The Bandit

Everyone needs to know everyone else's role for this to work, by the way. If just I know, the mafia will kill me and the plan doesn't work at all.

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The Bandit

I'm... not sure how I feel about The Bandit's plan yet. I'm not saying I think it's bad, and I'm not saying I think it's good, I don't know what to think yet because it's definitely a lot to consider.

I mean for one, all it would really take is one mafia member claiming sleepwalker to throw us off on a tangent for a couple of days/nights. Or an inactive sleepwalker/virgin. I'm also not sure how likely it would be for the Prosecutor to play ball, considering their priority isn't the game coming to an end, but getting a specific player lynched. If anything, the prosecutor would want the opposite, because once the town gets hard evidence against players that aren't the prosecutor's target, they're screwed.

I'll think it over though, there are a lot of variables to consider when talking about having town-sided roles roleclaim, especially in a game with 18 people.

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MajorasMask9

I really disagree with that. Having the sleepers reveal today gives our power roles people to look at tonight, risk free.


How so?

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MajorasMask9

If the mafia decide to not just claim townies and some claim sleepers, we'll have only 4 of 5 or 6 people for our power roles to look at. If we kill the Virgin, ALL night kills are stopped. There's absolutely 0 risk.

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The Bandit

As far as the Prosecutor goes, if we decide ot go through with this, he can't stop it. Claiming townie will only hurt him further. It's a completely illogical play.

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The Bandit

I mean, hell, if his target is a possible mafia member, we can bargain and say that we'll kill that person first, no matter what. But that's as far as I'm willing to go.

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The Bandit

Everyone needs to know everyone else's role for this to work, by the way.

All you need is one other confirmed innocent with whom to share your results. Some non-counterclaimed power role, probably. The problem then continues to be getting everyone to buy in.

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hezekiah

I always liked the idea of the Lovers...but both times that we used them, one member of the pair was inactive, so they didn't really have their intended effect. Really unfortunate IMO.

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white lancer

Question is now whether or not Hindenburg was the first on the bandwagon. The Mafia typically avoids going for a group kill this early in the game (let alone round), but you never know.

The Marksman didn't know the identity of the rest of the Mafia, so there's little chance of it being a Mafia bandwagon attempt.

I didn't realize the Sleepwalkers were aware of their identity...that does change things a bit and makes Bandit's roleclaiming strategy more viable. Question for the hosts: are all of the Mafia members counted as leaving their homes every night?

Everyone needs to know everyone else's role for this to work, by the way. If just I know, the mafia will kill me and the plan doesn't work at all.

You have a bulletproof vest, though. You'll know one day in advance if the Mafia are going to try to take you out--with the Marksman gone, you're guaranteed to have a chance to share the information with everyone.

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white lancer

Question: Can the godfather be detected by the Journalist?

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MajorasMask9

Can the godfather be detected by the Journalist?


Nope.

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Apollo Justice

Kudos to the guard.

While I would like to support Bandit's plan, the private reveal won't really help since the Mafia will just lie about their roles. Sure it would narrow down the field of suspects, but long term it may not be good enough.

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`Roxas`

I am really not liking this plan. Why would you reveal yourself so earlier in the game, The Bandit?

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Castrael

Fine then. Answer Majora's question but not mine. {:P}

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white lancer

You have a bulletproof vest, though. You'll know one day in advance if the Mafia are going to try to take you out--with the Marksman gone, you're guaranteed to have a chance to share the information with everyone.

How does it help the Town if I can't tell anyone who to look at? For this to work, I have to reveal who claimed townie. I guess the mafia won't specifically know which roles belong to who, but they do know who the power roles are if I share all the townie results. If we do it this way, we can just ask the townies to reveal in the main thread (TOMORROW, NOT TODAY) and the power roles stay silent or simply say "I'm a power role." If more than 5 people claim power role, then I can ask for them to privately message me.

Having people reveal in the main thread just looks way better to me. It's much more difficult to hide under the "I haven't been here, sorry" banner than with private messaging imo.

If you're hesitant towards this because you're a power role and you know you'll die, that's just really silly to me. It's a team game. Play to win with your team.

While I would like to support Bandit's plan, the private reveal won't really help since the Mafia will just lie about their roles. Sure it would narrow down the field of suspects, but long term it may not be good enough.

I honestly don't understand how trying to find 4 mafia in 18 people is a better strategy than trying to find 2 mafia in 5 and 2 mafia in 6 or however they will divide themselves up. Or how having our power roles blindly look through 17 people is somehow better than them targeting a smaller group who we will KNOW has mafia members in it.

I am really not liking this plan. Why would you reveal yourself so earlier in the game, The Bandit?

I can't respond to your criticisms because I don't know what they are. I already explained why I revealed myself.

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The Bandit

I'm guessing Lancer, that only the Hooker and Interceptor and first mafia voter will leave their room. If we kill the virgin, probably only the Hooker will leave because the others leaving would just be a pointless risk.

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The Bandit

Right now, I'm most suspicious of Helius and Roxas. Helius just struck me way, way off with his Guard comment. My instincts with him were dead on last time he played, so I'm going to trust them again. And with Roxas, while I don't mind him being critical of my plan, the way he expressed it just doesn't feel genuine at all.

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The Bandit

I keep bringing up the fact that the mafia will probably split their forces between the sleepers and townies because I think it's the worst strategy for them and I hope they just accept it without thinking.

If 2 mafia members claim sleeper today, it will be the godfather and mafioso. That's still a 20% chance for the Investigator to hit a mafia player tonight. If he hits, that's 100% guaranteed kill tomorrow. If not, it's still 40% chance in a lynch tomorrow.

Further, having the mafia divide themselves makes it MUCH easier for our power roles to avoid getting hit in later rounds. The Interceptor won't know which group of players the Investigator, myself, and the Drunk will be investigating at night. It's such a bad play for the mafia, but it seems to be the most logical one at face value.

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The Bandit

Ideas like The Bandit's generally make me uncomfortable, but I can't really see any major downsides to it at this point.

I'll keep thinking about it and see if I can spot a flaw that everyone has missed.

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Yeano

Pirate_Ninja, Xhin and Kyon haven't posted yet. Weid, Majora and Zanic haven't posted since Bandit claimed Journalist.

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hezekiah

Pirate_Ninja, Xhin and Kyon haven't posted yet. Weid, Majora and Zanic haven't posted since Bandit claimed Journalist.


hezekiah pls...

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MajorasMask9

Wut kynda gween donky id dat? luks lyke fun. me wunna ryde!

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weid man

and now they post. XD

Virgin role claims. We lynch virgin. Sleepwalkers reveal themselves. Mafia has a chance to kill the sleepwalkers, which lowers the ratio. Townies and Power roles are still alive, along with the Journalist. Then, it makes it easier for Mafia to figure out who's a power role just by analyzing the player. Townies die first. Then, Mafia starts to take out the Power Roles one by one. Mafia wins.

Unless we have a plan B and Plan C, so on and so forth....

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Castrael

so much for reinforcements...though I can't say I disagree with your assessment. And I guess we don't have to worry about wasting a nightkill on one of our own, so there's that. But of course the shooter manages to stay unidentified because naturally that little coin flip is just too much to ask for in exchange. With this kind of luck I'm probably the Prosecutor's target (crs)

weid being weid is working out well enough so far, and your move didn't strike me as overly out of character or anything, Speed - I'd've probably suggested you maybe play it a little slower had I been here after you proposed it and before you did it, but for now I'm not terribly concerned about it. As you said, I just hope the Guard doesn't get trigger-happy over it. As far as narrowing down the shooter's identity, though, it definitely seems to be someone not afraid to take an impulsive gamble.

also someone mail that f******** Journalist a box full of spiders. Role claim...this guy can claim a role at the bottom of a lake with some cement loafers, capisce? If people go along with it (as they thankfully seem disinclined to) I can see it being a real pain since Sleepwalkers are apparently self-aware this time around.

on the bright side, though, assuming he's being truthful about his role gives us a bit of a hand. We can keep him busy on alternating nights, slowing their info-gathering process and keeping him from fouling up any Interceptor visits (as I feel he could well choose the same targets as the Doctor or Investigator, both of whom would be nice to catch). Not a necessity I guess, but at least we'll know it's doing something.

it'd be a problem if he's not actually the Journalist (as he said, us targeting him is sort of a waste of time given that it'd take two nights and not even affect the ratio). Particularly if his goal were to draw you in to be seen by the real thing. Probably just paranoia but hey, that comes free.

~~~HOSTQUESTION~~~ on that note - the Interceptor never harms the person he visits, correct? Only other people who visit the same house?

because if that's the case and we feel like Speed may have inspired the Investigator to scope him out, Yeano could try to catch him in the midst of an investigation by vising Speed. Just as one possibility, though - it's very unlikely you'd catch the Doctor there, for instance, if that's to be our focus.


Chiefsonny seems awfully steamed about the Sleepwalker role. Based on his history, I'm gonna go ahead and assume for now that he is a Sleepwalker. Therefore, he is not high on my priority list for a night kill tonight.
classic chief, not gonna disagree

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Pirate_Ninja

My point was that I already posted three times since he claimed Journalist :)...

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MajorasMask9

I think you're misunderstanding the point of this strategy, Castrael. If we lynch the Virgin, then there won't be any night kills tonight due to their power.

And in regards to this question:

Why would you reveal yourself so earlier in the game, The Bandit?


Bandit already answered that:

I did it to demonstrate the sincerity of my plan

-Bandit


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Speed Bike Pro
 

OK, well, they're not going to kill the sleepwalkers first off. Doing so would probably only increase our odds of us finding a mafia member, since I imagine there will be at least one false sleeper claim. They're going to *know* who the power roles are eventually because I want the power roles to reveal themselves tomorrow.

Mafia doesn't win, because if we have a bunch of confirmed innocents it's significantly easier for us to aim our power roles and to identify lynch targets.

Again, I ask, how is it better to have 4 mafia members in 18 rather than having 2 in 5 and 2 in 6 or 4 in 8 or whatever the ratio ends up being? How is it better for our power roles to more than likely waste their actions checking town sided players, rather than focusing on a group that will with 100% certainty have a mafia member in its ranks?

Yes, we will lose our power roles. But we do not need them. This game is about being able to read people. With all the pressure we'll be putting on the mafia, being able to read them should be pretty easy.

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The Bandit

I've been considering what everyone has said, so here's some more thoughts:

I still do not like having players private message me. It's just way too easy for people to avoid revealing their role. With a public reveal, players either have to not be here or have an excuse for not revealing their role, both of which puts them in the spotlight and gives us a chance to consider their play.

However, not letting the power roles specifically state their role is a great idea that I'm not sure how I didn't consider. Simply saying "hey, I'm a power role" is really more than enough. It also gives the Doctor plenty of opportunities to block a Night kill.

Inactive players is a serious problem that I admittedly have no counter to. As long as the sleepers and virgin show up in the next 30+ hours or whatever it is, we should be mostly fine. This is another benefit of the delayed reveal. We don't need everyone to show up before the deadline to make this plan work. At least not this deadline. If players aren't here by the end of day2, then well, I don't know. If there are fake sleepers, that's who will we focus on on Day2 anyway, so not having everyone's role even at that point shouldn't be a big problem. If they haven't shown up on Day3, then they should just be fucking host killed because that's ridiculous.

This shouldn't be a problem at all though, and that frustrates me. If you're not going to play, then don't sign up. : /

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The Bandit

I'm going to also say that my biggest problem with a mass roleclaim, which kind of was an implicit fear when I mentioned inactive players, is the amount of coordination involved. People who have been playing here for a while now might remember that I used to try to push for mass role reveals after certain points in the game, but I honestly can't remember it ever happening, even later in the games when less people are alive. This early in the game, with 18 people alive, I think it would be especially difficult to get that amount of coordination going on.

People are going to have doubts about whether or not a role reveal will be helpful. Even I'm still on the fence and weighing the pros/cons. But unless you get full participation, and everyone unanimously accepting that it will help, a role reveal like that isn't going to work, because nobody would want to risk revealing their role on a plan that doesn't pull through.

The biggest problem with coordination is partially "inactivity," but more so the 72 hour time limit. People can't be on at all times of the day, so being able to pitch an argument for a mass roleclaim that convinces everyone is very unlikely, and by the time you might want to agree on it, it's alright Night.

While I acknowledge the possible benefits of a mass roleclaim, and while I might even be for it, I'm not expecting it to happen by any means.

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MajorasMask9

Ahh, I'm so sorry, white lancer, I didn't even see your question within your post.

Question for the hosts: are all of the Mafia members counted as leaving their homes every night?


Only the first to vote would be counted as leaving their house in the case of a Mafia kill. If it is the Godfather, they won't be seen by the Journalist, but they can be stopped by the Town Drunk. The Hooker and Interceptor separately, though, if using their actions, will be counted as leaving their home.

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Apollo Justice

What if I get the Virgin drunk... does anything fun happen?


Guess you'll have to do it to find out...! But if this is a legitimate game-pertinent question, no, nothing happens besides you possibly doing things you will regret the next morning (depending on whether or not you remember).

As far as the Interceptor kill goes, yes, it's based literally on the players visiting the house. But your question within the example revolves around the Interceptor visiting the Mafia kill as opposed to the Interceptor kill?

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Apollo Justice

One of these games I may have to meet him in a dark alley somewhere and have a little discussion about this.


Haha, well I don't think he'd be able to tell who you are based on the role, so I think it's just a bad coincidence {:P}

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Apollo Justice

Also, this is the first time the Virgin has ever been used as a role - so I'm excited to see how it's played. {:D}

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Apollo Justice

There comes a point where not revealing your role is totally illogical and harmful to your team in these situations, and I believe that everyone here is rational enough to go along with the plan when they realize there is no point in resisting, even if they think the plan will never work. I believe that point can easily be reached on Day2 if the three sleepers and the virgin come forward.

And, again (!), I point to the simple math behind my plan. If you are a sleeper or the virgin and you can refute my logic, then please do so. If you can't, reveal your role so we can get started. Revealing that you're a sleeper will have absolutely no negative affects for you. The mafia are not going to kill you when we have so many powerful townie roles to gun for isntead, and especailly because you'll probably be killed by the Interceptor at some point anyway. So, even if you doubt that everyone else will come along for the ride, I see no harm in revealing yourself.

If you're the virgin, well, yeah. You will die. But I again remind you that this is a team game, and you should play for your team, not yourself.

While I certainly can't say the town will lose if they don't follow my plan, I can say you'll be giving up a clear and obvious advantage that you probably will never have again in these games.

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The Bandit

They suspected me when Lancer killed hezekiah on Day1.


It's really weird looking back, that was my first game and I was 99% convinced you were the Vigilante. But I've realized now that you're much more calculating than I had originally anticipated {:P} only because it was my first game, though!

I'm interested to see how you claiming the Journalist so early will play out.

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Apollo Justice

sigh I said first game twice I probably shouldn't be posting in Mafia while studying for my last final

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Apollo Justice

Tempting proposition by The Bandit. I do feel like a role claim from the sleepwalkers, and especially the virgin, would benefit the town greatly. But at the same time I don't want them to go through with it. Better leads will result in more lynches based on hard evidence rather than suggestions, which might be necessary to bring Noxious to justice.

I always put evidence away in my pocket. ...After all, it's the safest place for crucial evidence.

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MajorasMask9

I haven't posted in a while because I'm still not sure about Bandit's plan. It seems pretty complicated in some spots and I'm really tired right now. All I got out of it reading right now is that he wants the Virgin to come forward so we can lynch them and then the mafia would have no night kills. Seems very interesting.

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Zanic

I'm fine with the plan. Especially considering we already chalked up one mafia kill. Stopping their night kills now will put them further behind. Kick them while they're down, so to speak. The sleepers is an odd role, and more of an annoyance than attribute.

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Bubba

narrowing down our options with a mass reveal seems fairly logical, albeit risky. A number of people seem unconvinced, and I think half-assing a plan like this is more likely to benefit the mafia than the town - both sides'll get some info, but the town will get the raw end of the deal, narrowing down its own power roles in exchange for inconclusive evidence. It's gotta be done right if it's being done at all.

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Pirate_Ninja

Hi. I'm the Journalist. I want the Town to win.


And other then your claim, how do we know that you are who you say you are? Especially after you added this:

I doubt the mafia will kill me, since I do not affect the ratio, and while I can be Hookered, I can still cause damage at least half of the nights with my power.


That would make for a good cover for a Mafia claiming a Town or 3rd party role.

If I was Mafia, I would take you out just on this alone:

I want the Town to win.


I will feel more at ease with your plan after you give us some information you get from your night actions that backs up your claim.

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chiefsonny
 

in the event this role-claiming idea gains momentum, any thoughts on how we should approach it? Seems like our safer options would basically be to claim Townie, claim Sleepwalker, or just not respond. Depending on who claims and who doesn't (as well as how many people do), I can see potential benefits to any of them. In any event, splitting numbers seems like it'd be to our benefit.


which should be easy to do since it matches his playstyle.
well I mean there was that time I tried being proactive early on and then someone starts insisting I should be (mis)lynched.......

change scares people~

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Pirate_Ninja

Well, the only way to find out if it'll work is by doing this...

I'm one of the sleepwalkers.

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Castrael

I'm a little confused when it comes to Bandit's plan. For the time being, I hope enough people (like chiefsonny) fight it until we decide on something else. Even if it were to come to fruition, I don't think I would claim at all. In Game 20, when everyone was asked to roleclaim and there were absolutely no negative repercussions for me claiming Prosecutor, I still didn't anyways just because. I'm hoping that enough people share my belief that roleclaiming stinks just because so that this plan sorta falls apart. Besides, I think mass roleclaims kinda ruin games of Mafia but we'll see where this goes.

But I do agree that Townie and Sleepwalker (Townie moreso) would be our best bets if we do roleclaim. However, for the time being, I am not getting within 5 miles of that plan.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I'm one of the sleepwalkers.

I sincerely doubt that. That's just the kind of thing that a mafia would say to get us off their back. You've constantly been talking about them throughout this round as an attempt to get the idea on our mind before your "big reveal".

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Xhin
Sky's the limit

And other then your claim, how do we know that you are who you say you are?

If you're honestly worried about this (and worrying about this makes ZERO sense) my report tomorrow will include "Yo, Journalist is Bandit." That should be enough, right?

So, I'm asking you to take my word on faith for one day. Again, killing the Virgin only helps the town. It gives our investigator a free night to find a mafia member, without having to worry about the Investigator. The only harm it does to the town is waste a day lynch, but this is day1. We never lynch on Day1 anyway. I point to my argument above about the sleepers coming forward if you think they're some harm in their reveal.

That would make for a good cover for a Mafia claiming a Town or 3rd party role.

The mafia cannot waste their time killing me. They just can't. They have no Assassin role, I have a bullet proof vest, and I do not affect the ratio at all. They would have to use two of their night kills to take me down, and then they wouldn't have even killed a townie. It's a total waste of resources.

I don't think this is a risk at all. While, yes, it might take some time for people to reveal, I already laid out how I hope this will work. We won't technically need everyone's role until about Day3 (or even 4, possibly). If people are still refusing to reveal by Day3 then we should consider them incredibly suspicious or they should be host killed for complete inactivity.

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The Bandit

Cas's claim seems totally consistent with everything she's said this round. I highly doubt she somehow planned this when she didn't even seem to understand my plan from the beginning. The only thing she gathered was that "why should the sleepwalkers reveal?" Which would totally make sense if she was an anxious sleepwalker not sure what to do. Voting for her is a bad move.

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The Bandit

omg so many typos wtf

It gives our investigator a free night to find a mafia member, without having to worry about the Investigator.

*without having to worry about the Interceptor.

if you think they're some harm in their reveal.

*there's some harm

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The Bandit

Also, no one else has role claimed for Journalist yet.

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Castrael

Besides the Bandit himself

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Castrael

If you're honestly worried about this (and worrying about this makes ZERO sense) my report tomorrow will include "Yo, Journalist is Bandit." That should be enough, right?


No. Doing the Journalist Job would. Why would you check out yourself?

Journalist – Selects one target each night and learns about all the comings and goings at that player’s house.


Target someone, then make a report on who you targeted and what you found if anything.

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chiefsonny
 

the Interceptor never harms the person he visits, correct? Only other people who visit the same house?


That is correct.

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Apollo Justice

At this moment, I don't think the virgin is willing to role claim, to risk it. I think we should go ahead and follow Speed. Weid was Mafia last time and all he does is say vulgar things.

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Castrael

I think we should go ahead and follow Speed. Weid was Mafia last time and all he does is say vulgar things.


Him being mafia last game means he's mafia this game? I don't particularly think he's mafia.

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MajorasMask9

I dislike mass roleclaims on principle as a quasi-metagamey sort of thing that detracts from the essence of the game imo, and that's only compounded by the fact that there are so many roles to claim here while I'm just tryin' to mafia it up. If everyone were to follow along, the suspect list gets roughly halved right off the bat, plus anything the power roles can figure out before being picked off. An ugly race against time, that.

so yeah, hopefully the town keeps fighting the good* fight


*for us, not them (hehe)

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Pirate_Ninja

oh wow did I really have this tab open for like twenty minutes

ty~ c:

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Pirate_Ninja

Why would you check out yourself?


I don't think he meant that as checking himself. What he meant was that he could sign his report with something like "hi I'm Bandit I'm here to f*** b*********" as a way of validating his identity as the Journalist. Sorta like how someone might take a picture of themselves holding a note that says "I'm [name]" to prove that they are who they say they are.

I don't think the virgin is willing to role claim


The Virgin's claim is sorta the basis of this plan. They still have approximately 27 hours to come out but they might be hesitant because the plan requires 100% cooperation and I don't think enough people are convinced yet, which may or may not include myself.

I think we should go ahead and follow Speed.


Please, be gentle... I haven't forgotten the last time we spent a night together, Bandit... (:$)

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Speed Bike Pro
 

This is getting kind of silly.

The Journalist can write whatever they want to in their report. If I get info, I will obviously report it, but that does not mean I can't also include another tidbit. I asked this in my thread and Apollo confirmed that I can write anything I want.

It's important for the Virgin to remember that his role's benefit is him gettiny lynched by the town. As I keep repeating, the sleepers and the Virgin revealing today only HELP the town. Even if no one else reveals after that, you are ONLY HELPING if you reveal your role. PLEASE try to understand this.

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The Bandit

It's so frustrating that I'm spending 90% of my time explaining role or game mechanics rather than answering questions about the validity of my plan. Like, most of this info is available to everyone. We should not be wasting time like this.

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The Bandit

I may be a petty asshole and fuck over the town at some point if they don't go through with this plan. : / At least if the opportunity presents itself.

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The Bandit

Does the bulletproof vest protect me from lynches as well? Or only night kills?

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The Bandit

Also, if I get Hookered, can I still write my report?

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The Bandit

Flare just privately claimed Virgin, begging me not to reveal it. Not sure why she would claim it if she's not willing to reveal. And I don't know what action to take. I know the killing the Virgin is the best Day1 plan. It simply is, especially with a mafia already dead. But I don't want to piss her off, and I'm not sure I can convince the town that she really did claim it. I argued this to her. Hopefully she'll come around.

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The Bandit

Oh oh oh. I missed part of her message. She said she will reveal. OK. Whew.

Still a little weird? Why tell me she's planning on revealing? But nothing I can do except trust her, I guess.

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The Bandit

Well a no-kill doesn’t get us anywhere. The Mafia has 2 chances a night to kill Townies. So if we vote no-kill we could be down to a ratio of 10:4. If we randomly pick someone like Cas and she turns out to be Town sided then we’re down to 9:4. But if we kill the Virgin today the ratio will be 11:4 for Day 2. Whether or not the Town goes along with Bandit’s plan is irrelevant to killing the Virgin. Role claiming can be risky and used against the Town. And I don't really see a lot of cooperation for the plan considering only Cas has claimed Sleepwalker.

But I digress. And it isn’t going to be my discision/problem for very much longer. I think I need more chocolate *deep breath* because .....................I’m the Virgin.

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Lady Flare

@Majora: Anyone could be Mafia, but yea, prob right.

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Castrael

Flare... :(

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Castrael

Thanks for cooperating Flare. You'll get a win this game. :)

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The Bandit

I hope Flare at least gets an extra point for sacrificing herself. She got kind of screwed with this one. I think I'll go along with Bandit's plan because we have really nothing else.

Sorry Flare. We'll build a statue of you.

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Zanic

Songs will be writ of your bravery, fair Lady Flare. (cry)

Also I'm not a sleepwalker.

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Jo Nathan

Good stuff. Where are the rest of you, sleepwalkers? Do you want to risk us lynching you if a mafia decides to claim your role? That's likely what they'll do. It's the only way to avoid the 50/50 split on Day2.

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The Bandit

Just letting you guys know that I'm driving back home tonight for Winter Break, and it's a fairly long drive so if 13 votes are racked up before then it may be some time before I officially end the round.

I'll also be on vacation for the two days following that, but Shadowwalked should be available then, and if not I'll still have my computer since I'm dualhosting Adventure as well.

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Apollo Justice

Ah, I get it. You just waited to reveal as the Virgin because you have a flair for the dramatic.

I'm not going to roleclaim until I've seen the Journalist's report that Bandit is the Journalist.

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hezekiah

Does the bulletproof vest protect me from lynches as well? Or only night kills?


Bulletproof vest won't protect you from lynches; it will protect you from Night kills, the Interceptor, the Guard, and the Marksman (though the Marksman is dead).

Also, if I get Hookered, can I still write my report?


Nope. Nor if you're Town Drunk'd.

This is quickly becoming my favorite thread of the game (besides the Day thread), that's for sure. {:P}

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Apollo Justice

I'm not going to roleclaim until I've seen the Journalist's report that Bandit is the Journalist.


Yeah, where's the report Bandit? I'm just curious.

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Castrael

I'd like to vote for Lady Flare pelase. Just like a virgin - madonna! lynched for the very first tiiiiime

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weid man

I can't post a report until tomorrow. : /

Why wait? I honestly do not understand.

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The Bandit

I mean, assuming you're a sleepwalker. If you're a power role or townie, I'm OK for you waiting until tomorrow.

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The Bandit

I wish it didn't have to be this way, Flare... But this is what's best for the town... My grandchildren will hear tales of this day... (fedup)

Why must they always die so young? WHY GOD?



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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well... let's see how this pans out. I'm still not sure of the plan.

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Helius

I just asked Apollo if I can write a report if I am Hookered, and she's told me no. I'm sure she'll confirm that if anyone doesn't believe me. Since I am almost 100% guaranteed to get Hookered tonight, you sadly won't have a report tomorrow.

However, if I'm not the Journalist, the real Journalist could simply write a report, get me lynched, and get a free point. He would have absolutely no reason not to do this. So, the absence of any report tomorrow will hopefully be enough for you guys. : /

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The Bandit

Argh. That's annoying, though understandable. I hadn't considered that fact because I didn't think the reports would be useful anyway after I revealed. Hopefully they will buy that logic.

If I don't get enough reveals, I was going to maybe write a report saying "Bandit is not the Journalist." Get lynched, then be protected by the bullet proof vest and have a free point. But that plan's out the window. Would have been absolutely hilarious though.

Hezekiah claimed he's not a vanilla townie privately to me, and said he won't reveal until he sees a report however WHICH IS SHIT. I firmly believe he's a sleepwalker however, and I'd probably publicly announce this if the need comes up. I don't see him coming to me as a power role if he doubted my authenticity. It's way too risky.

I'm going to come forward with my sleepwalker first logic soon, because I still don't have any more reveals. Unfortunately it will mean we will only have real sleepwalkers, but that's OK. All townies gives us 50% chance of mafia, which is really good.

This is quickly becoming my favorite thread of the game (besides the Day thread), that's for sure.

I'm glad you're enjoying it. :)

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The Bandit

The plan is more for coordination than for anything else. It would help the Town power roles so they could gather more information with their night actions. All I've really done is buy the Town an extra day to figure out who the Mafia are. On that note, it might not hurt to draw this round out to the full 72 hours. Maybe Apollo will get to wherever she's going by then and the Mafia may say something incriminating as well.

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Lady Flare

I definitely want the round to go the full length. Actually, I'm going to withdraw my vote now. We have plenty.

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The Bandit

Right, the question was if the Interceptor would possibly kill the mafia member who carried out the kill. Based on other posts, I'm thinking it wouldn't count for the Godfather.

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hezekiah

Majora had a good back and forth with The Bandit. I’m willing to wager Majora is innocent. Acting like a townie who’s got nothin’ to lose by implementing powers of persuasion which are non-limiting to his usual behaviour.

The Bandit’s strategy is the focal point for this round. Based on the angles of argumentation, Speed Bike Pro, Zanic, hezekiah are passive, a little dotty and overall just waiting to see how things play out. No direct opposition until the role reveals. I think it would be a stretch to say they’re all mafia, because the likelihood of all of them don’t seem statistically plausible so let’s pick the person who is out of character: Speed Bike Pro. Still standing by the mafia accusation. Zanic is always a little hard to read mostly due to my unfamiliarity with his character. He’d be my ideal check if I was a power role who could check innocent/guilty.

Castrael gravitates towards her JS friends, namely The Bandit so I’m going to go ahead and believe her role claim as Sleepwalker. Willingness to do so is out of her character alone as she doesn’t seem coerced or elaborately planned with teammates.

Lady Flare confirmed for Virgin.

The rest not enough data that I can do a decent analysis on because people are making me uncomfortable right now and I can’t concentrate. It probably belongs up there with the Speed/Zanic/hezekiah thing because they were mostly asking questions to grasp the roles. Can't do the UTR analysis. There would be another category for people who asked questions based on their role, if they're a power role.

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LLight

Well, that's a sudden change, Bandit....

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Castrael

We really only need the Sleepwalkers and Townies to roleclaim, because those are the roles Mafia are most likely to falseclaim. If we don't get enough claims for either of those, then we can start looking at power roles. Also, it doesn't really matter if they come out today or tomorrow...the only benefit to waiting an additional day is if the Mafia Nightkilled one before they claimed, but that's not going to happen now that we're sacrificing the Virgin.

In the interest of prolonging the round, I'm not going to vote for Lady Flare. But her sacrifice is appreciated nonetheless.

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white lancer

How is that a sudden change at all? I want Flare dead, but I want the round to go on so the sleepers will claim.

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The Bandit



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Yeano

I want Flare dead

I'll remember that one.

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Lady Flare

Also, it doesn't really matter if they come out today or tomorrow...the only benefit to waiting an additional day is if the Mafia Nightkilled one before they claimed, but that's not going to happen now that we're sacrificing the Virgin.


It does matter a lot, and I've been holding off on revealing why, but no one seems to be catching on so I'll go ahead and say it.

If JUST the sleepers come forward today, the mafia either have to A) claim some sleepers today or B) all claim townies tomorrow. Or they might claim some power roles, but that's kind of silly so whatever.

If we only have the sleepers come forward today (and all 3 come forward), and some of the mafia decide they want to claim sleepers, then our Investigator has a VERY small group to look at tonight to try and find a mafia member. This is why I've been pushing so hard for sleepers to come forward now, ASAP, because I believe the mafia would probably want to claim sleepers as well, because if they decide to wait and they all claim townie, that's when we get the 50% odds on hitting a mafia member.

Claiming sleepers improves their odds somewhat (best division is 2 claim sleeper and 2 claim townie, which is 40% sleeper and 33% townie). However, if they do that and all of our sleepers have claimed today, again we have that nice window for the Investigator to look at tonight.

So there. That was my full plan. To be honest, either way the mafia is in bad shape assuming everyone cooperates, but I really wanted the sleepers to claim this day round to try and force the mafia to false claim today as well.

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The Bandit

So, maybe simplified a bit so we're all the same page:

Option A

Sleepers all claim today, and some mafia false claim. Our investigator will pick a sleeper tonight to check.

Option B

Sleepers all claim today, no mafia claim sleepers. Mafia are essentially forced to claim townie tomorrow, we have a 50% chance of a successful lynch.

Option C

Not all sleepers claim today, it's much easier for the mafia to hide among the sleepers and townies tomorrow.

Option C is clearly the worst one. So please, come forward sleepers.

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The Bandit

The backout caused a bit of confusion by shifting the suspicion onto The Bandit, but I think it's mostly for the desire to make sure the round goes a full 72 hours. Mass role claims are holistically unrealistic and I'm convinced that The Bandit thinks he's right, but it's nearly impossible to get the whole town to cooperate like that so it will probably fail.

Only identifying Sleepwalkers and Townies will help the mafia identify town power roles. Too risky. People better be using the kerfuffle for analysis instead.

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LLight

It doesn't matter because I'm an idiot and will be killed off soon anyway.

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Yeano

You're mistake was changing your vote to Pirate Ninja. Why to Pirate Ninja?

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Castrael

The Bandit >>>Randomly<<< Changed his vote to Pirate_Ninja


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Speed Bike Pro
 

: /

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The Bandit

The Bandit >>>Randomly<<< Changed his vote to Pirate_Ninja


...I didn't see that...

I don't care anymore. Stick to Bandit's plan and let's be done with it.

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Castrael

VOTE FOR YEANO

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Yeano

Since I am almost 100% guaranteed to get Hookered tonight, you sadly won't have a report tomorrow.


Well that certainly will be convenient for you.

I'm not going to roleclaim until I've seen the Journalist's report that Bandit is the Journalist.


Makes sense to me. Because I still have bad vibes about this plan.

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chiefsonny
 

and said he won't reveal until he sees a report however WHICH IS SHIT


lol'd

I am so shocked by the sheer activity of Day 1. It's always so dull, but the fact that it's roaring so much is enlightening.

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Apollo Justice

Ahhhh, okay, I see what you're saying.

Well, in that case, yes, it would be possible for the Interceptor to take out a Mafia - but ideally the Mafia would be a bit more aware than that {:P}

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Apollo Justice

Well that certainly will be convenient for you.

It's actually terribly inconvenient for me, and terribly convenient for the mafia, so I'm not sure where you're getting off. The fact that I will get Hookered would not prevent the real Journalist from posting his report, so there's literally no logic in your accusation at all.

If you actually have criticisms of the plan, chief, then please share them. You seem extremely skeptical, but all you've done to voice your conerns is misinterpret how my role works. If you have some logic behind why I would false claim Journalist (a role that the Journalist himself can easily verify with absolutely no risk to himself) then share that too. Bad vibes are usually all well in good, but I've put forth so much information this round that if there is an error in my logic, it should be pretty easy to find. With the exception of Majora, everyone has been very critical, but no one has volunteered to actually critique the plan. You all just seem terribly unwilling to take what you percieve to be a risk, when in fact my plan will give you your best odds on identifying and killing mafia for the next several days.

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The Bandit

I'm annoyed by what I perceive to be inactivity. While everyone is certainly talking, no one is really offering criticism or support of my plan. It's all just bad feelings and "hmmms." I honestly don't mind if they don't go with it, but let's discuss why we're not going with it. : /

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The Bandit

I'm just totally baffled in how anyone could possibly doubt that I'm the Journalist. Maybe the last game with me claiming Watcher is fresh in everyone's minds, but that is such an obviously different scenario that they should easily be able to dismiss it. Journalist is the #1 role in the game that you should never, ever, ever false claim EVER.



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The Bandit

I'm an image noob :(

http://imgur.com/RAeA2wH

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The Bandit

I guess after thinking about it my frustration is pretty unfounded. I know a tiny bit more information than everyone else, so it's pretty easy for me to say they should realize this and that. I'm also on Christmas break right now, so I'm a no life nerd with unlimited free time to think about mafia, and lots of people probably have other things going on.

I regret my tone with chief a bit. Being hostile to someone only makes them want to disagree with you, even if their logic is sound. Apologizing would probably only make it worse, so whatever.

I should probably reinforce my last sentence a bit more, and keep hammering it home as the end of the round nears. If they follow through with my plan, then that statement is 100% true.

It essentially comes down to: do I trust Bandit's near immortality and powers + my team's ability to detect mafia? Or do we need anonymous power roles to win the game? I think it's pretty clear the first answer is the best and the one everyone should follow, but I could be wrong.

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The Bandit

Well...

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`Roxas`

In theory your plan would work Bandit... unless of course, not everyone agrees to it. Then we're S.O.L.

I can see where your actions can benefit the Mafia since you seemed to overlook the Hooker, and to be quite honest, I overlooked that fact too as it seems I thought it was only the Drunk.

We also have to put a lot of faith in you. It's possible the real Journalist would be afraid to role-claim this early for fear of being killed (despite that person having a bulletproof vest) with your claim Bandit. That's normal since you are a strong player; however, what I see coming out of this is...

You'll probably be hookered tonight and mafia killed eliminating your bulletproof vest (because that would be the smart mafia play since they know who you are). Then the next night you'd be their kill and then you're pretty well useless to us because you'll be dead to the town.

Unless of course, they keep you alive and spread some doubt in later rounds for the town.

Also, were you aware of your specific role ability?

Your plan would have been much better to play out if you had followed this:

Journalist, who would check someone's house every night, see if the person leaves or who visits the house, and then writes up an article to be anonymously posted the next day.


So I really don't see how you help the town now as either way... what you have done is really helped the Mafia out.

You've eliminated one person they have to look at: Castrael (as if she is telling the truth, she's a sleepwalker). And they now have you, the Journalist (if you're telling the truth).

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Helius

I also forgot to say that you have given up Lady Flare to if she is the Virgin. So you really have screwed us. {fp}

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Helius

You'll probably be hookered tonight and mafia killed eliminating your bulletproof vest (because that would be the smart mafia play since they know who you are). Then the next night you'd be their kill and then you're pretty well useless to us because you'll be dead to the town. — Helius, Day 1

Huh, I don’t think the Hooker/Drunk negates Bulletproof Vest (BPV). Clarification needed perhaps?

I also forgot to say that you have given up Lady Flare to if she is the Virgin. So you really have screwed us. — Helius, Day 1

I disagree with you Helius, the Marksman is dead, the Virgin voluntarily using their power for a coordinated lynch will give the town’s power roles +1 night round for night actions without any additional loss, thereby negating a potential -2 for the ratio. Hopefully the people with town sided power roles aren’t total doorknobs and will actually use their powers on people they can’t read.

I also just realized that we have the Hooker/Drunk mess again. Oh boy, this will be fun. That’s a whole lot of power role blocking, imo. The ratios for this game seem pretty great so I’m interested to see how this plays out. Pieced together in perfection, love it.

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LLight

I...don't think I've criticized your plan, Bandit? Maybe I haven't been as clear as I should have been, but I actually think the plan is solid (though not foolproof). It's definitely sacrificing power roles, but it's not a needless sacrifice because it narrows down the options for Mafia...although their ability to claim either Sleepwalker or Townie plausibly means that it doesn't give us the absolute advantage. On the other hand, if we can eliminate all the Mafia members from one of those groups, the remaining members of that group can be safely ruled out as well. The plan essentially narrows down our potential Mafia by about half right at the outset, with a chance to narrow it down even further with the right Public Investigator/lynching/Guard kill results.

As others have said, the only real problem with the strategy is that it relies on everyone (or at least all of the Sleepwalkers/Townies) cooperating. I still don't think it's crucial that the Sleepwalkers all reveal today, but Bandit is right that it would be better because it would give the Public Investigator a clear set of investigative targets (on their one night of free investigations, as the Intercepter wouldn't be able to kill them tonight with the Virgin dead). That said, we do need to remember that the PI can only catch three out of our four remaining Mafia, so it's not quite as crucial.

As for Bandit himself...while it really wasn't necessary for him to reveal as the Journalist (I imagine he may have simply wanted his ideas to be taken a bit more seriously), claiming Journalist is seriously the worst move a Mafia member could make at this point. The Journalist's role is virtually impossible to falseclaim because it would be so easy for the real Journalist to 'out' you, and they wouldn't even have to reveal their identity to do so (all they'd have to do is post an article tomorrow saying 'btw Bandit's not the Journalist kill him' and the jig would be up). I'm 99% sure Bandit's the real Journalist at this point.

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white lancer

I'm getting really annoyed with repeating myself, to be honest.

I can see where your actions can benefit the Mafia since you seemed to overlook the Hooker, and to be quite honest, I overlooked that fact too as it seems I thought it was only the Drunk.

I haven't overlooked the Hooker at all.

The Interceptor and Hooker are our greatest enemies.

-my very first post detailing my plan

I'm not concerned with the Hooker. Yes, I will only be able to use my powers half the night. That's fine with me, because I do not believe we need any power roles to win this game. They are bonuses. They should not be relied on.

It's possible the real Journalist would be afraid to role-claim this early for fear of being killed

You go on to point out that I should make this plan anonymously, while you're forgetting that, if there's a real Journalist, he can disprove my claim totally anonymously. All he has to do is add at the end "HEY BANDIT ISN'T THE JOURNALIST PLZ LYNCH" Why would he be afraid to do this? I already pointed this out as well.

However, if I'm not the Journalist, the real Journalist could simply write a report, get me lynched, and get a free point.

You'll probably be hookered tonight and mafia killed eliminating your bulletproof vest

I don't doubt I'll be Hookered. The mafia cannot night kill me, as I've mentioned many, many, many times. And I don't just mean "they won't night kill me." I mean they can't. The virgin, which you criticize me for killing this round, blocks all night kills. So, if they do decide to night kill me, I think I would have helped the town a great deal by allowing them to go three nights in a row without having to suffer a regular night kill.

That's putting aside the simple logic that the mafia would not waste two night kills on someone who does not affect the ratio at all.

Also, were you aware of your specific role ability?

lol

So I really don't see how you help the town now as either way... what you have done is really helped the Mafia out.

If you guys don't follow through with my plan, the only way I'm being killed is if I run into the Interceptor. Then the mafia might decide to use a night kill on me, but, still, I doubt it because I don't affect the ratio.

There was 0 risk to my play. All of my actions have only helped the town. The only people who are hurting the town right now are the two remaining sleepers who are refusing to reveal their useless roles for no reason at all.

I want to reiterate what I said last night: If you follow through with my plan, you have the best odds of finding mafia members in later rounds. This is not my guessing. This is a fact.

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The Bandit

I fully believe that a role reveal will have a snowball affect. This is yet another reason for the sleepers to come forward first. The sleepers are a safe role to reveal if the mafia do decide to night kill them, and the more people who reveal, the less logic there is in you keeping your role to yourself.

Like 4 hours left in the round.

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The Bandit

I've given the Town a free night to gather information. I hope the PI is reading the replies carefully and determining who their best target is. Granted the Godfather throws a wrench into the machine but hopefully the PI can hit upon one of the other Mafia. And perhaps the Guard's luck will hold and he can take out another Mafia tomorrow or the next day. He seems to be playing a bold game.

You'll probably be hookered tonight and mafia killed eliminating your bulletproof vest (because that would be the smart mafia play since they know who you are). Then the next night you'd be their kill and then you're pretty well useless to us because you'll be dead to the town.


Bandit will live at least until Night 3. I don't think it is very smart for the Mafia to Hooker him 2 nights in a row instead of trying for the PI who I think is more dangerous to them. Maybe once, but twice is not going to help them.

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Lady Flare

I'm playing the sacricial lamb. I hope the Town doesn't squander it.

If I may make a request. Can you give me a good send off. It is a sacrifice after all.

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Lady Flare

Yes, of course. Your sacrifice will never be fogotten (cry)

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Apollo Justice

I'm also on Christmas break right now, so I'm a no life nerd with unlimited free time to think about mafia, and lots of people probably have other things going on.


Hahahaha, this is perfect. This was basically me over summer vacation and probably will become me again after I get back home on Monday. I kind of like Mafia for that reason, though - it's so thought-intensive and it's such a perceptive-heavy game too that it gives me something to analyze and plan and do all that fun stuff with when I'm not actually in school, which seems exactly like what you're doing now. I hope that made sense or I sound like an idiot.

Apologizing would probably only make it worse, so whatever.


I think we've both seen people get much worse in Mafia - I wouldn't worry about it, I didn't find anything you said to be offensive. {:P} Speaking of which,

[p:61342]

Was reading over that Shadowwalked/white lancer/chiefsonny debate the other day (if you're at all interested in reading), was so damn hostile but made me laugh a lot nonetheless. I've never actually seen anyone get that bad in any games I've played.

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Apollo Justice

I cannot be Hookered two nights in a row. Same with the Twon Drunk.

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The Bandit

*FORGOTTEN

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Apollo Justice

Thank you.

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Lady Flare

Round will end in about 30 minutes.

If you have not spoken during Day 1, you will be host-killed if you do not speak by the end of Day 2.

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Apollo Justice

Ok guys. Don't make my sacrifice for nothing. Good luck.

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Lady Flare

The Chef and the Treestump were both inside their Host home, expecting Day 1 to be uneventful as past stories have shown - they decided it'd be a good time to put up their Christmas tree, but just as Shadowwalked was placing the star at the tippity-top, they heard the anonymous gunfire with Hindenburg, the
Marksman down for good. Excitement and surprise swept over the town in the almost immediate elimination of a Mafia member before they could do any harm.

Just as Dookville was settling down from the kill, The Bandit, sitting down and rubbing his chin in a pensive state, stood up and walked to the center of the group with a pen behind his ear, adjusting his glasses and looking at his notes. "Alright...
So I'm the Journalist, and I'm gonna help f********* up the Mafia. Let me tell you how...

...

...

...

...

... and that's my plan. Any objections?"

Not everyone seemed entirely convinced that The Bandit was right or telling the truth, but it was certainly something nonetheless, and it brought on a lot of hesitant discussion. Part of this plan was sacrificing the town's Virgin in a lynch,
which would stop all night kills the following night.

After some time and deliberation, Lady Flare stepped up.

"I'm... the Virgin.

If this can help the town... So be it. Do with me what you need, but...

win this, in my honor!"

The Bandit nodded and laid his hand on Lady Flare's shoulder. "I don't like to do this. I don't want to do this. But believe me, the Town's gonna win this one. It's on my hands that it'll happen, I'll make sure of it." He went to tie a blindfold around her eyes, but she brushed his hands away. "It's alright. I can do that myself." She tied the blindfold tight.

The Chef quickly ran outside, handing Lady Flare a bar of her finest chocolate. Lady Flare nodded in appreciation and acceptance - it was time for her sacrifice, but she sure as hell would enjoy some delicious chocolate beforehand.

Everyone watched as Lady Flare put the noose around her own neck, trembling slightly. hezekiah and weid man walked over to help her with tying it tight, but she swatted their hands. "It's fine... Thank you. I can do this. I can do this..." weid man walked away, singing under his breath and dancing back into the circle of players - "like a VIIIIRGIIIIN - LYNCHED FOR THE VERY FIRST TIIIIIIIIIME"

Lady Flare gulped as she lifted her feet to step off the edge. With a strong face she looked back to the group - "Kill them.
Kill the Mafia. For me."

She stepped off, and a harsh snap was heard.

The Virgin had been sacrificed.

Players:

1. Pirate_Ninja
2. Jo Nathan
3. Yeano
4. Speed Bike Pro
5. `Roxas`
6. Helius
7. weid man
8. Castrael
9. MajorasMask9
10. white lancer
11. Xhin
12. The Bandit
13. chiefsonny
14. Zanic
15. Hindenburg - Marksman
16. hezekiah
17. Bubba
18. Kyon
19. Lady Flare - Virgin

Ratio: 11-4-2

Roles:
Godfather, Hooker, Interceptor, Mafioso
Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x4
Journalist, Prosecutor

24 hours or until all actions are in to end the round.

NOTE: Anyone who did not speak during Day 1 will be host-killed if they do not post by the end of Day 2.

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Apollo Justice

Hooker, you may choose someone to role-block tonight. Virgin's sacrifice nullifies any night kills tonight.

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Apollo Justice

You may choose someone to roleblock tonight if you wish.

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Apollo Justice

You may choose someone to save tonight, though there won't be any killings because of the Virgin's sacrifice {:P}

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Apollo Justice

You may choose someone to investigate tonight. {:D}

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Apollo Justice

You may choose someone to spy on tonight.

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Apollo Justice

Welcome to the dead thread, Lady Flare. It's been a while, hasn't it?

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LLight

Randomized Sleepwalker visits

Kyon visits `Roxas`
chiefsonny visits Zanic
Castrael visits `Roxas`

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Apollo Justice

Belated welcome to Hindenburg and welcome to Lady Flare. {:D}

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Apollo Justice

No Night Actions for you, qt-prossy.

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Apollo Justice

No night actions for you! Boo!

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Apollo Justice

Hello LLight.

I really hope they don't mess this up.

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Lady Flare

Cool beans. No kills certainly slows things down but it comes at the expense of one town role and we have one Sleepwalker confirmed so we're not exactly dyin' here.

Thoughts on who I should give the best night of their life? With the Virgin's sacrifice, it wouldn't do any good to try to target any other power roles besides the Journalist or Investigator. We have the Journalist confirmed but trying to hit the Investigator is a total crap shoot. So if they investigate me tonight, I'm as good as pooped without a role like the Interceptor to protect me.

Pending further discussion, I suppose I'll just sleep with Bandit and avoid any kind of "I saw this person going there" mess and hope to God that the Investigator looks elsewhere.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

In that case, let's go with Castrael.

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white lancer

Need to give it some thought...

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hezekiah

OK, let's take a look:

Suspicious of:
`Roxas`
Helius
Xhin
Bubba

I've already explained Roxas and Helius. Xhin only said one thing if I'm not mistaken, and that was that vote for Cas. I don't have any direct evidence of it, but I seem to recall him making a bold declaration like that before as mafia. Both him and Bubba are mostly there to round out the list to fill out the number of mafia, which I always like to do.

There's only going to be one mafia leaving their room tonight, so it could make sense to target these guys to try and nail down the town's power roles/sleepers.

Possible Power Roles
white lancer
chiefsonny
hezekiah
Majora

I still think Lancer is the best candidate for the Guard, followed closely by Majora. I can't see anyone else making that play. Chief's reluctance could be founded in the fact that he's a power role and doesn't want to die. Hezekiah claimed he wasn't a vanilla townie, but I still think he's more likely to be a sleeper.

Possible Sleepwalkers
Cas
hezekiah
weid
Kyon
chief

I really don't see how anyone else could be a walker. Many people suggested mild support for the plan without revealing, and some even said specifically said they weren't a walker. They could be lying, of course, but it would be a very odd tactic. People tend to play selfishly in these games, and saying you're not a walker when you are could lead to you being lynched or night killed later on.


Probably Innocent
Majora
Speed

Speed is acting very much like his usual self, albeit a tiny bit quieter, but that could simply be because I hogged the spotlight. He's never been mafia however, so who knows what he'll do when he's given that role. Majora acted very logically throughout the whole round, from weid to responding to my plan, so I would be somewhat surprised if he's not a townie. That's like the best way to play mafia, but it's pretty tough to do when you're actually in the role. Definitely not ruling either of them out, but they'll be in the back of my mind.

Absolutely no idea
Pirate_Ninja
Jo Nathan
Zanic
Kyon
Yeano

These are all people I usually have the most trouble reading, specifically PN and Jo Nathan. None of them said enough to really get a read on, except probably Zanic. Kyon said absolutely nothing, which is typical for both sides. I instantly pegged Yeano the last time he was mafia, so I feel like he's the least likely to be guilty, but it was a total gut feeling thing that time so who knows.

I guess I'll pick...

December 14, 2013
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The Bandit

Pirate Ninja

Not that it matters, since I won't be going anywhere tonight, but there it is.

December 14, 2013
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The Bandit

Since the likelihood of my plan working at this point is pretty low, my next best tactic that I can think of is to try to get the power roles killed ASAP. Obviously getting rid of the Hooker and Interceptor is pretty top priority, but there's not a lot I can do about that.

Hopefully I'm right in that my plan made the power roles reveal themselves a tiny bit in their posts, and hopefully the mafia will pick up on it. The fewer power roles, the more dependant the town is on me, which gives me a huge edge in influencing lynches. Outside of maybe pressuring them to reveal tomorrow (even though I'm confident my plan isn't going to come through) there's not a lot else I can do to expose them however. Maybe try to go back to them private messaging me roles? I don't think that will work at all.

I do want to fuck the town over on at least one lynch, but I can't do that until much later in the game.

December 14, 2013
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The Bandit

that was basically my take on it, yeah

Silencing the Journalist will at least guarantee we get a productive result from your action tonight, and we won't have to worry about unclaimed Sleepwalkers and the like being spotted. Besides, feeling around for the Investigator could result in us being led astray if the Drunk happens to find them that night. Still a good plan to keep in mind for tomorrow night, but for now I think Bandit is probably the best bet.

I'm hoping the Investigator might look toward the people who have been more vocally opposed to Bandit's plan, rather than looking at that little hullabaloo early on. Or checking me, ideally.


SPEED BIKE HO GAME 23 NIGHT 1
NIGHT THRILLS OVER NIGHTKILLS BABY WOO

December 14, 2013
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Pirate_Ninja

Hezekiah just asked me for an instant messager, which bumps him past sleeper and into almost definite power role imo. Or possible mafia? My insistence on helping the town would make that risky if he were mafia. Almost certainly not a sleepwalker anymore.

December 15, 2013
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The Bandit

Alright, guess there's not much of a choice here.

I'M GONNA OFFICIALLY HOOKER THE BANDIT BABY THAT'S RIGHT BABY C'MERE AND LICK THIS PEANUT BUTTER OFF MY BUTT HOPE YOU LIKE GONORRHEA



December 15, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Just got around to reading that post. That was pretty intense. It also somewhat confirms what I was talking about, though there were plenty of other factors involved in chief's vote there. If you're mean to someone, they just aren't going to want to listen to you.

December 15, 2013
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The Bandit

COCK MY DICK. HORNY

December 15, 2013
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weid man

Bubba

December 15, 2013
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hezekiah

Changed my mind. Pirate_Ninja.

December 15, 2013
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hezekiah

Jizzly balls, jizzly balls, jizzly all the waaaay

Oh what fun it is to come and suck my crotchal waaaaang

Jizzly balls, jizzly balls, jizzly all the way

Oh what fun it is to come and suck my crotchal wang

SMASHING through the snow

Spanking off my wang

Over the hills we go

FAPPING all the way!

Balls on bobtail ring

Making PENIS right

Oh what sport to ride and wing

A sleighing SCHLONG tonight

December 15, 2013
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weid man

I'll investigate SBP. Some of the posts he made were a bit confusing and I've played quite a few games with him and he doesn't seem normal to me this game.

December 15, 2013
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Zanic

Speed Bike Pro is Guilty.

December 15, 2013
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Apollo Justice

You attempt to stake out Pirate_Ninja's house, but you're ambushed...

... and you come back not sure what happened the night before....

(sorry I'd respond more but I'm in a bit of a rush (cry))

December 15, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Hooker target: The Bandit

December 15, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Done like dinna.

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Apollo Justice

You take Pirate_Ninja out for a wild night at your favorite establishment. You enjoy your time together and have a roaring time until the end where you start mixing drinks...

... and then Pirate_Ninja throws up on your lap...

... and then you profess your undying love for him...

... and then you both pass out in the snow until the next morning when the bells ring!

Needless to say, he was unable to go anywhere else.

December 15, 2013
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Apollo Justice

Reply to: night 1 like a virgin

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