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night 1 well this sucks

Posted January 7, 2013 by White Thunder

Sorry for screwing everything up, guys. Well, hopefully I didn't this time and we can actually get rolling.

Some changes: Added a Governor role, and Hammer Voting will be on as well. Also I added Trever {:P}

1. chiefsonny
2. Feral
3. Castrael
4. Female Alpha Wolf
5. Jo Nathan
6. MajorasMask9
7. Black Yoshi
8. Helius
9. Xhin
10. `Roxas`
11. hezekiah
12. CtR Black
13. white lancer
14. Trever Leingod

Mafia/Townie: 4-10
Roles: Doctor, Vigilante, Double-Voter, Governor, Townie x6
Godfather, Janitor, Mafioso x2

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72 Hours or 8 votes to end the round.

January 7, 2013
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White Thunder

whee

Thanks for the restart, Trever.

January 7, 2013
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hezekiah

He forgot one other addition. We have a special guest playing the role of Death: LLight is waiting in the dead thread to claim our soles! Bwa-ha-ha!

January 7, 2013
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Feral

I wanted it to be a surprise but okay {:P}

January 7, 2013
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White Thunder

Well then -- no vote for now; I'll have to see what develops before I can cast a vote.

And my January-term class starts tomorrow; I'll try to get on when I can, but I won't be as active as I have been here in the past.

January 7, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I'll withhold my vote for now, but I'll be busy with work all week.

January 7, 2013
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`Roxas`

Thanks for the restart, Trever.

Glad to oblige {:D}

January 8, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Adding the Governor doesn't really change the basic strategies for the roles--it does give us another player whose innocence can be confirmed. If the Governor survives to late in the game (say, if we have a two player lead on the Mafia), they can roleclaim and we can confirm their role by voting them out while they invoke their power. Hammer Voting just means we need to be extra mindful of the number of votes.

I still don't think we need to roleclaim early on, despite the Janitor's presence. As long as the Doctor protects themselves every night, the Mafia will only be able to hide behind testable roles or Townies anyway. That being said, if a roleclaim is going to happen it'll need to happen when we still have time to check. Ideal time for a roleclaim: when we're up by 2 players (or 3 players in the case of the Vig).

Without an information gathering role this time around, we're going to wind up having to depend on our reading of other people, which is much less reliable. Hopefully people will be posting fairly often because otherwise we won't have much to go off of.

January 8, 2013
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white lancer

What is "hammer voting" again? Is that when the first vote of each person is locked in?

January 8, 2013
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Feral

Hammer voting means that once a person reaches more than half of the votes, they're dead. Since there are 14 people alive now, that means 8 votes would be needed to end the round.

January 8, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I vote for LLight

January 8, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

O.o, this game should be interesting. Yeah, Trev, thanks for the restart.

<.<

What's the difference between this one and the last two holiday ones?

January 8, 2013
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Castrael

I turned on hammer dicking.

January 8, 2013
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CtR Black

The Christmas game actually wasn't too different from a regular game, except for the fact that one Mafia member (Scrooge) was identified to everyone and basically invincible.

The Halloween game had a lot of differences. It was almost like a completely different game.

I turned on hammer dicking.


.....I'm a little scared.

January 8, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Hello Day 1.

I will try to get on when I can as well. I start school tomorrow and will be absent most of the time on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays (thank god for Mobile Mafia though!) but I will do my best.

Also, did anyone else see the Adobe Creative Suite 2 is free? O.o Sorry, I have to ask.

January 8, 2013
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Helius

I turned on hammer dicking.

.....I'm a little scared.

I'm not! I mean (shifty)(shifty)(shifty)

January 8, 2013
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`Roxas`

I was so confused when the game was resetted right after it started. But I'm here {:P}

January 8, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

I was so confused when the game was resetted right after it started. But I'm here

It was Trever and/or Yeano's fault but not mine in the slightest.

January 8, 2013
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White Thunder

It was Trever and/or Yeano's fault but not mine in the slightest.

You sure about that Thunder (hehe)

January 8, 2013
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Castrael

Loooooooool too late Thunder. I read it all.

January 8, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

Let's hope whomever's the Governor this time around isn't as insane as Dooku was the last time I played...

January 8, 2013
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Black Yoshi

All I can say right now is, I absolutely hate the Janitor role. It gives the Mafia too many roles to hide behind, especially when we are lacking a cop. Considering we have to work almost blind once more, I think it would be more fair in the Mafia had a less powerful role. The Janitor role gets spammed when it comes to Mafia power roles and that really bugs me. (shifty)

January 8, 2013
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Trever Leingod

As I said before, the Janitor role really isn't very useful at all this game because all of our power roles can be checked. If the Mafia try to hide behind a power role claim, there are ways we can catch them quickly.

Maybe it's because I've always played IRL that roles are never revealed upon death, but the Janitor role has never bothered me. I like that it makes the roleclaiming strategy less powerful and it feels like it balances the game a little more.

January 8, 2013
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white lancer

Well, I think we should get the game started, what about you guys? {:P}

January 8, 2013
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Castrael

No one strikes me as suspicious so far. *shrugs*

I thought this through, and I believe it is more advantageous of me to reveal my role then keep it secret. Because I am the doctor, I am invulnerable. The vig can attack me tonight to confirm my claim. Since the Mafia can't kill me(I'll be repeatedly protecting myself, as Lancer suggested, since there is no more important role for me to protect) and the town has no reason to lynch me, I am a guaranteed end of game townie.

One less target and one less role for the Mafia to hide behind.

The vig and governor should NOT reveal yet, since they won't have my protection(I have no reason to provide it to them). Don't know if those roles will ever be useful, but better to have them in stock since you never really know what will happen.

January 8, 2013
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Feral

As I said before, the Janitor role really isn't very useful at all this game because all of our power roles can be checked. If the Mafia try to hide behind a power role claim, there are ways we can catch them quickly.

All of this ^

January 8, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

I was kinda hoping the Doctor would stay quiet for a while on the off chance that the Mafia attacked them while they were protected (saving us a nightkill), but it's no great loss to have him out now and at least it's a place to start.

The biggest question we have right now is whether we want to play aggressively or slowly. If we vote someone out today we have a better chance of hitting one of our own, but if we wait we have a smaller margin of error (right now we could afford two miskills before we were in a dangerous situation). I don't think we should take a shot completely at random, but we need to figure out if it's worth it to take a chance this early on any suspicions.

January 9, 2013
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white lancer

Aggressively and we err. Passively and we lose the game or a large portion of it.

Its a tough choice because either way can cause a problem.

January 9, 2013
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Helius

I don't think the doctor claim will hurt us immediately, but I do think it would have been best kept secret until Feral was on the chopping block. It's great that we have a confirmed innocent, but Feral has basically said "I'm going to protect myself every night"; the mafia probably aren't going to target him. If they didn't know Feral was mafia, there'd be a chance that we could avoid a loss one night round, which was kind of the doctor's main advantage in this game. Then again, there's always the chance someone could come out with a counterclaim, but this early I don't really see the advantages for anyone to falseclaim.

I'm kind of against no-killing this round. We're not going to get any information since there is no cop. All of our information is going to be gut instincts from people's actions in the day rounds. That said, it is a bit early to get a very good idea about anyone. I was a little suspicious of Trever for talking about how much of a pain the Janitor is (he did something similar in a previous game when the mafia had a relatively powerful role and he was mafia as well.) But voting solely on that seems too risky.

I'll wait a while and see if anyone comes out with any other suggestions. I do think no-kill is a bad idea for this night, though.

January 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

day^

January 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I am against voting Trever off this round because it will have defeated the purpose of the restart. {:P} But in all seriousness, I actually felt a bit suspicious of him for the same reason.

I actually have another person in mind for potential lynching. If no better suggestions are made I'll elaborate on the details later in the round.

January 9, 2013
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Jo Nathan

how can you already be suspicious of someone Nath? :P

I have no idea at this point so I ain't voting at the moment.

January 9, 2013
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Castrael

I am open to voting this round, but not if I don't have a decent suspicion of someone. At the moment, all I know is that I'm not voting for Feral.

January 9, 2013
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white lancer

People could lie about their roles though. I'd be cautious about that. Remember last game?

January 9, 2013
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Castrael

Same as lancer.

Ooooh, or remember the first Star Wars game? :D

January 9, 2013
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`Roxas`

Hence why I suggested the vig target me tonight, Cas. If I am NOT the doctor, the real doctor would know I am lying, and likely Mafia, and would not protect me, leading to me guarenteed death. But since I AM the doctor, I will protect myself, and my survival will confirm my claim.

January 9, 2013
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Feral

You really think people would do that, just lie about their role in a game of mafia?

January 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

You really think people would do that, just lie about their role in a game of mafia?

I did, and I would have got away with it too if I didn't change my story in the night round.

January 9, 2013
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`Roxas`

I think Majora was being sarcastic. At least, I HOPE he was!(horror)

January 9, 2013
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Feral

<.<

If Majora was being sarcastic, then I would be okay. :P

They could to keep the Mafia away, but I'm just throwing out a random suggestion.

January 9, 2013
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Castrael

how can you already be suspicious of someone Nath? :P

Because I'm suspicious no matter what xD I guess I didn't think things quite how white lancer described it, so he has a point. But even then, the Janitor is not entirely useless, just less useful than usual.

I did, and I would have got away with it too if I didn't change my story in the night round.

That Star Wars game was perhaps the funnest game I have ever watched on this forum because of how crazy things got. The town was basically dominated but they fought really hard to win. Also, the Dooku and Redack duo was fun to watch.

January 9, 2013
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Trever Leingod

@Trev: Kira and I should make a pretty good team. Doubt she'll play though. :P Well, I won't be making any stupid mistakes like last time. Lol. I wil say this this though.

Dr. Dr., won't you protect me? :3

January 9, 2013
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Castrael

I've never liked the DONK strategy, and I'm keeping up on what's said here, trying to formulate some ideas about who I think might be mafia. I fully intend to vote for somebody before the round ends at 4 PM tomorrow.

January 10, 2013
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hezekiah

Assuming Feral IS the Doctor, doesn't protection only work once? So, if the Vigilante AND Mafia both targeted him in the night, whomever struck second would actually kill him?

Then again, this IS Mafia, and everyone here's guilty until proven innocent, including Feral. I see his strategy in roleclaiming early (roleclaiming when you're on the chopping block, unless you have undeniable proof that you're innocent, can lead to death, as I found out in Hezy's game, when I tried to claim the town's most powerful role and then everyone jumped on me like a pack of wolves and found out I was really Mafia), but I've seen far better success with proving innocence when you wait to roleclaim. Anyone can say in the first round, "Oh, by the way, I'm the Cop," but with no proof, it's as useless claiming Cop as it would be claiming Townie. Waiting a few rounds, on the other hand, allows you opportunity to use any night actions to prove your innocence and knock down any Mafiosi trying to claim your role.

I'll hold off until tomorrow to cast a vote, so I can see what has developed while I'm in class.

January 10, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Assuming Feral IS the Doctor, doesn't protection only work once? So, if the Vigilante AND Mafia both targeted him in the night, whomever struck second would actually kill him?

I don't know if Yeano has a policy on this; I would say that a Doctor protection is effective for any and all kills that night.

January 10, 2013
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White Thunder

If a doctor protects someone, they're protected by everything for the night, even if they're targeted twice.

January 10, 2013
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MajorasMask9

@Mafia- PLEASE waste your kill by targeting me tonight! lol

I am like Scrooge from the last game, only townsided.

So Yoshi, are you a concerned townie or a hopefull Mafia?

January 10, 2013
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Feral

As someone who also had been worried about the same thing, I feel it's possible he's a concerned townie. But then again, the last time I gave Yoshi the benefit of the doubt he was totally Mafia and I looked silly.

Unfortunately for me, this will be the last chance I have to visit the game today. Because I won't be around to see how players react to being voted for, I can't bring myself to cast a vote.

Business trips be damned. Seriously, why can't they schedule around my Mafia games? {:P}

January 10, 2013
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Jo Nathan

I say the Vigilante should just target Feral to confirm his innocence, unless said person has like a definite target (unlikely at this point in the game). Given Feral is welcoming himself up to attack like this though, I highly doubt he is lying.

January 10, 2013
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Trever Leingod

Yup, Feral is almost certainly telling the truth, but there would be no harm done if the Vig confirmed his claim tonight anyway.

I still don't have any real suspicions, so any votes right now would feel like complete shots in the dark (and I still think shots in the dark are going to hurt us more than help us at this point). I'm open to hearing anyone else's suspicions.

January 10, 2013
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white lancer

Everybody random votes and let the dice fall where they may? That's the only way to make things fair.

January 10, 2013
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`Roxas`

I've always hated hated hated the random votes strategy, especially because it pretty much always results in us having a greater chance of hitting one of our own than a Mafia member. Worse than that, it's an easy way for the Mafia to hide because they don't have to take responsibility of their own vote (or lack thereof).

January 10, 2013
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white lancer

Well, I'm not afraid of my vote. Yoshi and Jo had an interesting back-and-forth, with what really stuck out for me being how Yoshi is still skeptical of Feral despite it being trivial to confirm him, and (imo) far too much risk for him to try and fake it if he were mafia. I'm also scared of some mafioso showing up right at 3:56 to get a free town kill, which would most likely be against Feral.

Because of a combination of those factors, I'm voting for Yoshi. I won't be too broken up if there's no kill (be it a vote tie or Governor), but I do regardless feel confident enough in my vote for him.

January 10, 2013
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hezekiah

Yeah I agree with White Lancer. I don't think we should randomly vote either.

I'm just gonna go ahead and say I'm not gonna be voting this round. I have no major suspicions right now and I'd rather not accidentally kill a fellow townie just for the sake of voting.

January 10, 2013
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Female Alpha Wolf

Okay, so you're not going to vote for anybody to get killed. But are you going to vote against me? Like I said last post, I won't be too upset if nobody dies. I am more than 33% (4/12) confident that BY is one of the mafiosos. And it would be absolutely wonderful if we could get rid of the Janitor before they start sowing confusion.

January 10, 2013
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hezekiah

I aint voting either. I agree with Lancer and FWA on this one.

January 10, 2013
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Castrael

Hezekiah, you just scared me by your observation. The Mafia might try to get a last minute charge to lynch me.

If ANYBODY votes for me in the last half hour or so, it's a no brainer to kill them next round.

I have me eye on Yoshi, but I want to hear what he has to say.

January 10, 2013
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Feral

Not enough to go on yet for me.

January 10, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Hezekiah's vote is the deciding one on all terms. Now we just wait for Thunder to show up and end this round.

January 10, 2013
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`Roxas`

Yep. Round is over and Yoshi is out. Hezy got his vote in with 20 minutes to spare.

If Yoshi is innocent, Hez is obviously guilty and was getting a free kill via time limit.

That was the quickest three days ever! :|

January 11, 2013
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Feral

Yay I made it in time to post before the thread is locked.

Now I can vote for anyone with zero consequences.

January 11, 2013
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Jo Nathan

You turned off replying to to main topic for dead roles now? That's ineffective for me if I really wanted like now... Ehh, same tricks apply here.

rawr right? Death is looming over your heads. Feel free to tag or whatever so that 5 people in this game can't see this reply. If you play a game with me and your role is hidden, you may be able to come back to life. Heh that's not really true but it's an idea.

January 11, 2013
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LLight

Well this is a shame! Black Yoshi was a (Pretend this is green)Townie! (I don't know how to make text different colors.)

1. chiefsonny
2. Feral
3. Castrael
4. Female Alpha Wolf
5. Jo Nathan
6. MajorasMask9
7. Black Yoshi
8. Helius
9. Xhin
10. `Roxas`
11. hezekiah
12. CtR Black
13. white lancer
14. Trever Leingod

Won't be updating the ratios due to the Janitor role.

24 hours or until all night actions are in.

1. Mafia kill
2. Vigilante kill
3. Doctor save

Llight, please don't do that.

January 11, 2013
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White Thunder

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