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night 11 a twist

Posted June 30, 2013 by White Thunder

The town, diminished enough as it was, woke up the next day to find the decomposing body of Black Yoshi on a stake in town square. This Mafia member was not going down without a fight. Next to the body read a sign: "Beware, soon you will face the same fate as this Townie". But would it happen?

1. white lancer- Vigilante
2. Speed Bike Pro- Doctor
3. Hindenburg- Townie
4. Kyon- Mafioso
5. Roxas- Townie
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9- Townie
8. Apollo Justice- Mafioso
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack- Townie
11. Castrael- Mafioso
12. Feral- Silencer
13. Black Yoshi- Townie
14. weid man- Assassin
15. Trever Leingod- Mafioso
16. igga
17. The Bandit- Townie
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano- Cop
20. Zanic- Lazarus
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku- Double-Voter
24. hezekiah- Townie
25. Llight- Apprentice
26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
27. Shadowwalked- Hooker

Town-Mafia ratio: 5-1

Town roles: Governor, Townie x4

Mafia role: Godfather

72 hours or 4 votes to end the round.

There are 40 Replies


*crickets*

Still think it's Ninja. Black Yoshi voted #85 last round, so maybe PN is trying to get us to lynch #85. Other option is that it is #85 and he is laughing at us right now after surviving another round.
Either way, one of those two or Jo.

Really think Chief is innocent at this point. Igga is a given since White Lancer said he would host kill him, and I doubt he would do that to the mafia.

July 1, 2013
Bubba

black mama luigi...tell bedtime story... D:


murdering the one person who kept me alive last round would be quite a risk, especially given that I'm away from home for a week (unrelated: lol @ the giant post-entry box that mobile gtx0 gives me). Be a peach and quit trying to lynch me, yeah? It won't get you anywhere but another step closer to a town loss.

I was curious whether the mafia would target one side of that little standoff or just off a fence-sitter and leave things in that precarious balance...what a tease~

July 1, 2013
Pirate_Ninja

I really wouldn't be surprised if it's any of you, but I still think #85 is our best bet. I wish I had cast my vote for him when I had the chance last round. {fp} Even if he turned out innocent, we'd be in a better position to narrow it down right now.

I plan on going back to the beginning of the game and reading every post, every response, every action and every lynching, all while telling myself that #85 is Mafia. Along the way, I will keep asking myself "how plausible is this?" When I finish, I'll repeat that process with each of the other remaining players.

This will take a while....

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Ok, I'll do this in parts because it'll be waaaaay to much info for a single post.


Day 1

Some things I noticed about Bubba.

Apollo said this:
I agree; while we have a somewhat decent chance at lynching a Mafia member (1/3 chance or so), we could be losing up to 3 players each night. I'd rather play it safe for the first day.


...And Bubba responded thusly:
But page statistics are the ONLY facts we have right now. They may be contrived and a long shot, but they are facts.


His suggestion to go by LLight's statistics could be an indication of innocence.


LLight stated that it wouldn't be plausible for townies to refresh the Mafia page so frequently during Night rounds, and Bubba responded:

But you don't know they were on the mafia page.


Could he be fishing for an answer to a concern of his because he's worried his teammates might be exposed?

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Ok, now onto #85.

I am the godfather come at me brah


This has already been discussed. Attempt at reverse psychology? Maybe he didn't imagine he would last this long into the game and didn't think this would come back to haunt him.


Then there's this:

early is the time to gamble

#85 Randomly Voted for hezekiah


Roxas:
Whether or not 85 is the Godfather as he (probably jokingly) stated, he has a reputation of voting for a lynch on Day One when Mafia. So I'm switching my vote to him for the time being.


#85:
I don't usually lynch day one, this is a different situation with so many people


Roxas:
And when you do usually vote for a lynch, it's when you are Mafia. There have been at least two instances (don't recall the specific games) where you were Mafia and voted on Day One for a kill.

One time I was the Cop and checked you, revealing an innocent vote. The only reason you were caught on Day Two was because the Journalist staked out the person who ended up dying on Night One.

There was a separate time that this happened, I pointed it out and was ignored for a couple of rounds before you were lynched.

I'm going off of your history with Day One voting when most of the town would prefer a no kill.



Roxas posted some hard evidence against #85:

In regards to my concerns about #85 this game, here's the one of the instances I was referring to:

Game 7*, Day 1: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=67367
Game 7*, Day 2: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=67458

Note that he says he always pushes for a Day 1 lynch, but when you look at past games on Day 1:

Game 6: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=66089
Doesn't post during Day 1, ended up being a Townie.

Game 5: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=65076
Very talkative, randomly voted. Townie.

Game 4: (Infamous LLight as Cop Game): http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=62888
Voted No Kill; Mafia Thug.

Game 3 (Mafia Cult): http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=62455
Wasn't Mafia, Voted for Knux

Game 2*: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=60802
No vote , first round sacrifices are dumb.

Godfather.

Game 1: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=59636
Voted for Feral, Townie.

(*) INDICATES GAME RESET



This was a valid point, and who knows Roxas may be rolling in his grave in the dead thread over the fact that we aren't being more vigilant at voting #85 off.


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Ok, chiefsonny time.

So what you're saying is you're using a mod tool, that most players don't have access to.


Indignant that someone is using a tool that could compromise his team's ability to function?


LLight:
Also, I've noticed that chiefsonny's seconds/minutes ago tend to reset when he's playing the game. I've seen it reset a few times over the course of the morning without a post in sight. Possible mafia?


chief:
I have to hit the reset button in the top left corner of my Chrome toolbar to top the little loading button from spinning. It drive me crazy.

But personally if all you have to do is check on me. Well enough said.


Not sure what to think about this. You make of it what you will.


Majora:
We have yet to hear from:

Trever
weid
Feral
Pirate_Ninja
hezekiah



chiefsonny in response:
This is the reason I'm for letting Day 1 run it's full time, or until we have heard from everyone that can post.

It may tell us who if anyone was silenced as well as who may not be active in the game.

As for rather we lynch anyone or not is a matter of personal choice.

In the earlier games I used to be dead set against a No Kill Vote. But the more I've played, the more unfair I think it is to vote for a player when there is absolutely nothing to go on.


COULD chief be trying to buy time for his teammates???


chiefsonny talking to weid man who turned out to be the Assassin:
For the game. Read all the post very carefully. Pay attention to what is said. Go back to a previous Day and compare what is being said by everyone and see if there are contradictions in their post.

If this is your first time playing (and I think it is at least the gtx0 ver.) it's going to be hard because you are not use to how people play.

Good luck


Could be nothing. Maybe it's a slight indication of innocence? If chief were Mafia he could have just helped out weid in the Mafia thread. On the other hand, I know I've helped out fellow Mafia players in the main thread in the past before, just to give the appearance of just being part of the town........



chiefsonny:
I haven't seen Feral post anywhere on the site since last night. 5/31


If chief were Mafia, would he really put the spotlight on one of his teammates like that? I don't see why not. It would have been a zero-risk move since Feral had the conveniently legitimate excuse of being silenced.

One last thing. I voiced my protest against using out-of-game statistics to deduce who was guilty, and chief responded with:

Takes the fun out of the game.

And it's not just Mafia. Some townies have Night actions.


More indigence caused by fear that his teammates might be screwed?




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Ok, let's take care of igga and Pirate now. Both have almost nothing from Day 1.

igga:
Hi. I promised LLight I would murder Redack, so I'm not going to vote for Redack. Somebody else smells suspicious.

igga Voted for weid man


Yeah, make of this what you will. We know weid man turned out to be the Assassin.


Pirate_Ninja shows up only as the round is about to end:

meanwhile I was worried I almost missed the whole thing~

Not that there's been a lot to miss yet, just a bunch of reading to catch up on.


I'd also like to repeat this quote from Majora:

We have yet to hear from:

Trever
weid
Feral
Pirate_Ninja
hezekiah


THREE of those players were confirmed as Mafia. Pirate_Ninja is also in that list. Hez was just a townie, but he's usually quiet anyway.

Hmmm...


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Well that's all I have for Day 1. I'll move onto the rest later.


July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Ok, those three quotes below the igga section are only supposed to be two. That middle part is not supposed to be a quote.

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Ok, I'll do this in parts because it'll be waaaaay to much info for a single post.


Oh good lord, why didn't I proofread this before I posted? {fp}{fp}{fp}

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Ok, I messed up something... I really shouldn't try to organize all these quotes using Notepad.

My first quote from Apollo is not what Bubba was responding to. My mistake.

I agree; while we have a somewhat decent chance at lynching a Mafia member (1/3 chance or so), we could be losing up to 3 players each night. I'd rather play it safe for the first day.


....was actually in response to this quote from chief:

In the earlier games I used to be dead set against a No Kill Vote. But the more I've played, the more unfair I think it is to vote for a player when there is absolutely nothing to go on.


The reason I originally saved that quote is because it seems like chief and Apollo might have been joining forces to get a point across.

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Well that's all I have for Day 1


It's Day 2 as of 12:45 AM 7/1/

Neither you or #85 posted on Day 1, although you both were on the site. I stayed up until 1AM just to see if you and he would.

And if I recall, didn't you play the last game very close to the way you're playing this game.

Just saying

July 1, 2013
chiefsonny
 

I posted several times on Day 1. You and I even exchanged words.

I've got Day 2 now, chief. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it! {;)}


Ok, to avoid a similar mistake to the one I made in my Day 1 analysis, this time I'll post things in chronological order instead of mixing things up.


Day 2


Kyon:
LLIGHT-KUN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~


I know Kyon is already dead but I think it's just amusing to look at this reaction to LLight's death.

But wait! Bubba and Castrael post immediately afterwards! Is this a mere Mafia sandwich with a dash of innocent player in the middle, or is this sandwich just rotten all the way through?



Ok, here's this:

I still think 85 is our best option. That being said...


`Roxas` Voted for #85


Black Yoshi responds:

That said, Roxas' point about #85 seems valid, but I'm still hesitant.


Followed by this response from Castrael:
I agree with Yoshi. Hesitant but Roxas seems confident with his choice. which is a good thing.


good thing as in: if he's right then that would be a great deal for the Townies. if not, the extra killing goes to Mafia. We need to becareful with our numbers


Interesting.... We know how hard she fought to try to save their Assassin. Could she be trying to persuade others to not go after #85?


Kyon says:
Looks like it's LLights out for LLight.


Why you plagiaristic little.... I had already used that pun during Day 1!



Ok, this one actually bothered me back when it was first posted, and I just want to point it out. Bubba says:

Maybe it's possible the vigilante was mentioned as one of LLight's accusations. He then got scared and removed LLight. Maybe. I just can't fathom why the vigilante would do that this early.


It bothers me because nobody, including White Thunder, had posted anything that suggested the extra kill was from the Vigilante and not the Assassin. It's like Bubba automatically knew it was the Vigilante. I might just be reading too much into this one, though. I guess it makes sense. There's little risk for the Vigilante to pick a target at the beginning of the game and huge risk for the Assassin to do so.


Here's something I feel could be noteworthy-

Black Yoshi:
Anyway, I'll have to go back over the last thread to glean anything else.


Castrael:
I will too, Yoshi. Roxas did say he wont stop til #85 is dead.


Cas seemed to be fixated on the fact that Roxas really wanted #85 dead. Now why could that be?


Bubba:
If the doctor is still around after three more rounds, it might be best for the sheriff to come out then, assuming the doctor would cooperate. It would do a world of good just to have three confirmed town's members. Apprentice really would have been helpful here.


That plan sounds fair enough. We know the Mafia killed the Doctor that very same night, not three rounds later.


Here's another Apollo quote:
Don't really think there's enough evidence against #85 yet. Not even going to consider voting for him until he replies.

Agreed. Though, it is possible that Roxas is the Cop and just checked #85 last night, and this is his way of telling us he got a guilty verdict. Or not. Either way, I'd like to hear from #85, since I don't really know his play style to begin with.

... I guess I could look through past games, but that would require effort.


This quote doesn't really help #85's case, if you ask me.


This next quote from Majora, on the other hand...

Correct me if I'm wrong but: Your argument against #85 is that he decided not to vote no-kill last round, even though in every game when he was town-sided, he did vote no-kill on Day 1.

For some reason though, you exclude the first six games he played. For starters, he wasn't mafia in any of the games that you listed, so excluding the first six games to show that he only votes "no-kill" on Day 1 when he's innocent doesn't work, because you haven't shown that he does vote for someone on Day 1 when he's mafia. The games that you excluded include the following:

Game 1 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Feral Day 1.
Game 3 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Knukles Day 1.
Game 4 -- #85 was a Mafia thug, voted no-kill Day 1.
Game 5 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Majora Day 1.

Rather than attribute his change in strategy to the fact that it's his first game after a lengthy hiatus (similar to how his "strategy" changed after his first six games,) you conclude that it must mean he's mafia even though there's not even anecdotal evidence suggesting this is true.


I don't remember reading that one. Geez, this game has lasted so long I almost forgot I was traveling during the first few rounds and missed some things.

It makes my post later in the round look stupid. :/


Bubba, talking to Roxas:
Can we just lynch you first?


Roxas did turn out to be innocent, but Roxas was acting a bit funny at that time so I can't fault anyone for suspecting him.

But what about this, also from Bubba:
A possible explanation is that Roxas was suspicious of #85, used his cop role to confirm, and is now going after him even harder. But if he was the cop surely he wouldn't be setting himself up for a possible kill this early in the game.


I always find it a bit suspicious when people are trying to suggest another player is the cop. It makes me feel like the Mafia are fishing for signs that the accused person really is the cop.


But then Cas comes around and gives me yet another reason to think maybe she's defending #85:

But, I do agree with lancer and the Bandit. There's really no reason to vote someone off like that. I'm holding off my vote for now. Roxas or #85 won't be getting a vote from me.




More from Bubba, this one actually addressing my previous concern:
Hmm...why are we so confident it was the Vigilante who got him, Bubba? LLight could have easily been the Mafia kill (and frankly, I'm a bit surprised he didn't have the Doctor covering him since he made himself such an obvious target).

LLight made himself a target, which is why I don't think it was the mafia that killed him. Any sensible Mafia member would have wanted to keep LLight alive, UNLESS one of his four he mentioned in his stats are members of the mafia, then they may have axed him. Then again, pretty much everyone in the last round dismissed LLight's accusations, so I don't think the Mafia was afraid of LLight.


After what we've witnessed during the rest of the game, I'm pretty sure the Mafia were afraid of LLight. :P


Roxas:
Observation: Trever's awful quiet this game.


Castrael:
Yeah, he has been but I think he's busy. Haven't seen him around anywhere.


Interesting. Cas seems to speak up mostly when one of her teammates comes under question. Haven't we seen her doing this with someone else? :P


Here's a quote from Pirate_Ninja:
The thing that stuck out most to me was suggesting a 5-6 investigation reveal by the Cop, if only because it wouldn't be suicide to claim the role while we still have a Doctor around. There are a lot of players to check (and hide behind), but I think we'd be better off at least making some headway in tracking down the guilty lest we end up with cold fuzz and no verdicts.


Hmmmmm.... urging the cop to reveal sooner than later? And again we know that the Mafia killed the Doctor immediately after Yeano revealed.


Another possible example of guilt by association, here's a quote from Trever:
I do not think Roxas or #85 are Mafia. The evidence against #85 just isn't enough to convince me of his guilt, and there's no way a guilty Roxas would come out swinging out so hard this early and be willing to throw himself under the bus.



I'm wondering if this quote from chief is an attempt to throw us off:
What gives me as much concern as Feral and Roxas (who I think just made some statements because he was upset) is this.

Shadowwalked: As far as I can find he has poste wice. Both Bs post

Same thing for weid man. 2 BS post.

Count Dooku: Has not posted at all as of the time I'm posting this.

If any of these 3 are the Cop or the Doctor. We could be screwed.

And Redack is talking a little less than normal.



Interesting observation about Apollo: she was very spot-on this round, clearly doing everything she could to appear innocent. She pointed out players who hadn't posted during the round yet, two of whom were Mafia. She also said she found it "odd" that Feral (who was Mafia) would role-claim so early. Then she said she wasn't suspicious of me or Roxas. And she was one of the leaders in Feral's lynching. Throwing teammates under the bus and defending innocent players? I can't wait to review the next round and see if she continued this pattern with any of you guys. :P

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

After re-reading my Day 2 analysis, I'm reminded that Apollo did defend #85 a bit. Not sure if that makes him guilty by association, or if she was following the pattern I noticed later on in the round and defending an innocent player...

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

I'll probably host kill igga at the end of the next round if he hasn't posted.


Now about igga. He was on the site Sunday 6/30 for just a couple minutes. He did not post anywhere that I can find.

Now if White Thunder does host kill him and he's a townie, which I'm sure he is because I doubt White Thunder would kill the last Mafia member and end the game.

So I would suggest one of two things.

1. Don't host kill igga.
It's apparent he cares less about the game and killing him could hurt the town big time. We could possibly lose 3 townies after the next Night round.
1. If we pick wrong and lynch a townie.
2. Host kill
3. mafia Night kill

or

2. We don't lynch and let Whiter Thunder Host kill.

I think we should do #1 and do a lynch and not Host kill igga. The town may need the numbers before this is over.

July 1, 2013
chiefsonny
 

I posted several times on Day 1. You and I even exchanged words.


I apologize. I miss read it and thought you were talking about Day 1 of Day 11.

July 1, 2013
chiefsonny
 

@Jo As you can see Majora pretty much debunked Roxas's "evidence" against me but that didn't stop the accusation from sticking around.

You also mentioned Apollo defended me? Great. I ended up lynching her {:D}

I don't think no-killing is the way to go. We are just being slow killed. We have 2 chances to end the game, we should take it.

My presence causes too much suspicion, fine, I will put myself up. Even though I am a townie, at least the town side has 1 more chance to get it right. So if you want to take 1 of your 2 shots left go ahead. If not, I say we go with Pirate Ninja.

I really don't have any idea who is mafia anyway. Imo all of you could easily be mafia.

July 1, 2013
#85

I'll try to abridge this so it's not as tedious as my analyses of the first two rounds. Let me know if there are any mistakes. I'm trying to limit it to just stuff that could be important.

Day 3


#85 states the Mafia probably sacrificed Feral, which turned out to be true.

#85 also states he's not convinced Yeano is the cop. Fair enough, as a lot of us were questioning it.

#85 is the third person to vote for Apollo but changes to "not voting" shortly after.

chief grumbles about OoG talking and shows irritation that two crucial town power roles were lost in one night.

And yes, this one thing that I still haven't forgotten about, from chief:

I have difficulty believing the Mafia would throw one of their own (Feral)under the bus this early in the game when there was no pressure to do so.

Apollo voted for Feral.


and

I think there's a very good chance that the people that are voting for Apollo are Mafia and are trying to get others to jump on the bandwagon.

If I'm right and Apollo gets lynched and is a townie and they kill 2 more the next night round, that put us down to 12.


and

I would also like your thoughts on who to lynch this round, Apollo.



What really gave me reason to suspect chief here is that chief really is a team player when he's Mafia, and he does stick his neck out if his teammates might be in danger.

After Yeano gave his investigation result and revealed Apollo was guilty, igga came forward and revealed a bunch of IM chat with Apollo that suggested Apollo tried making Majora look guilty.

Bubba voiced agreement with chief and said "this Apollo thing is escalating very fast". But then after reading Yeano's post, he changed his mind and voted for Apollo.

Cas finally votes for Apollo only because Yeano came out and said she was guilty.

Yeano suggests going after inactive players, and Cas agrees and specifically suggests "Dooku, Hezy and some others I can't think of that top of my head."

#85 then casts his final vote for Apollo with the following quote:

As of right now, my list of 3 I will be voting is Apollo, Redack, random under the radar person. Subject to change of course


Then Cas comes back and says:

Redack, I'm suspicious of too, #85. But, Apollo first. I'm not going to vote for Redack right away. I need reasons first.


#85 says:
If only the Feral rush at the end of round 2 wasn't so fast, would have been fairly telling who is mafia. Yes this includes me


Chief votes for Apollo, although with much visible reluctance.

He also proceeds to post this, as if to save Apollo one last time:

It's a matter of numbers. All they need to do is get to a tie and they win. That's why with 2 night kills and a possible lynch it makes no sense to throw one of their own under the bus that soon.



And that's what I gleaned from Day 3.

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Day 4

Chief says:
Let me specify who I would like to hear more from:
weid
Shadowwalked
Kyon
Redack
Hindenburg
Dooku
Trever (if possible)


I would like to hear more from these players myself. However, I doubt weid will post and if he does, it probably won't be helpful to us.

That said, we should not lynch anyone because of inactivity (I know that goes against the way I usually play, but after the way the last game went, I feel we can't take a chance) because the town needs the numbers, especially after we've lost too many power roles.


The list of players in his reply is a mixed bag of innocent and guilty. Not sure what to make of it. But the text I enlarged doesn't sit well with me.

Chief:
I hope White Thunder holds off on any host kill.


Could that be because several Mafia members were mostly inactive?

Another chief quote:
If Yeano is the Cop, why hasn't the Mafia taken him out.


I'm pretty certain the Mafia were really hoping for us to lynch Yeano for them, and this post by chief could have been an attempt to steer the ship in that direction.

Jo Nathan:
So that my previous short reply doesn't get lost in the crowd of posts, I'd just like to reiterate that I think Redack and chief are both Mafia. And I'm still somewhat suspicious of Black Yoshi.


Wow, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Redack and Yoshi were certainly not guilty. Should we listen to him regarding chief? {fp}

Castrael:
I personally don't think Chief is Mafia, but I am leaning towards Redack though. Why do you think Chief is? Maybe I might change my mind.


^^^ Oh hay, look at this here!

Jo Nathan:
I think he [Redack] is Mafia for other reasons. I feel it's very likely his skills were instrumental to the Mafia taking out the power roles. And he didn't give any rebuttal whatsoever to my accusation.


God damn it, Jon, stop saying stupid stuff. srsly


Chief responds to Cas' question as to why I thought chief was Mafia:
He always thinks I'm am. Check last game threads. He thought I was Mafia then and I was Townie.

He's wrong this time to.


Trying to discredit what I said, but not actually addressing what I said? Hmmm....

#85 says:
I want to hear Yeanos response on who his check was. But I dont think he is the cop so far.


Roxas expresses that he's absolutely not convinced Yeano is the cop. Shortly after, Cas and chief make back-to-back posts saying they agree with Roxas, and chief also questions why the Mafia would let him live.

Then #85 says he thinks chief is acting suspicious.

Yeano reveals that Shadow is guilty so we all start voting for him.

#85 continues to voice suspicion toward Yeano.

Chief changes his mind and says if Shadow turns out guilty, he'll start believing Yeano then. Sadly (conveniently?), Yeano dies in the next night round....

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

I can keep going, but I feel like my mind is already made up for my vote this round.

July 1, 2013
Jo Nathan

Me too.

July 1, 2013
chiefsonny
 

My decision to host kill igga would be totally irrelevant to his role. Whether or not he's Mafia has no bearing on it- I would make the decision either way. I think I'll leave it up to you guys, though.

July 1, 2013
White Thunder

Kudos to Jo, I do plan on reading that in a bit and giving an analysis.


As for Igga, has anyone tried contacting him? Seems like the no brainer before he is host killed.

July 1, 2013
Bubba

Kudos to Jo, I do plan on reading that in a bit and giving an analysis.


Take notes. He's giving a test tomorrow

July 1, 2013
chiefsonny
 

YES, SO YOU BETTER TAEK NOTES.

Oh gawd, Day 5 is really long too.... sorry.

Day 5

One thing I had been overlooking is hez's constant insistance that we lynch Bubba. Why was he hellbent on lynching Bubba?

Cas says: "I'm more curious about Trever. Because he hasn't said one thing so far. And usually he helps out, but he seems to be making excuses." Pointing out a teammate who had otherwise been evading detection? Bold move, indeed. Or perhaps she thought it would make him seem innocent in case she got lynched?

One thing's certain: the Mafia were all about throwing each other under the bus this game, like hardcore. Wouldn't surprise me if one of them planned on throwing all other 7 under the bus... oh wait.

igga has been mostly inactive, but then shows up to post about the events that had passed. Nothing overly suspicious, and he does also suggest following LLight's hit list.

Ok, since chief is usually a super team player when he's non-town, this would go against his usual style if he really is Mafia:

So here's who I think may be the last 5 Mafia. Keep in mind this is mostly from a gut feeling, although I have taken into consideration the way they are playing based on the way they have played in previous game, as well as their posting or lack thereof in this game.

weid man
Castrael
Kyon
Trever
Bubba
Hindenburg


Trever then makes a lengthy post. Too bad it had nothing incriminating against any of the remaining players. He just reaffirmed that he thinks two players are innocent (which they turned out to be) and then saying maybe Cas is guilty or maybe she's innocent. He really played it safe with that post, for sure. Should have been a clue, in hindsight.

weid man then makes a rare appearance and asks everyone to interrogate him.

Bubba questions whether we really should go with LLight's list (which contradicts his stance earlier in the round).

Chief says in response to weid man's post: "Well that certainly was enlightening." I'm only making a note of this because it make me snicker. :P

A few posts down, after I've voted again for chief, he comes back and states that I'm Mafia and am getting revenge for a vague past event. He later said he was just trying to rile me up.

In response to chief saying that I'm Mafia, Cas says: "I like your thinking, Chief." Then she immediately follows that up with: "
Okay, I'll be serious, for now." Possible agreement with a teammate and subsequent damage control? That's what I had previously speculated... Of course she profusely denied it and said it was just a joke.

Cas questions why Kyon is so quiet and expresses willingness to lynch him. More teammate bus throwing.

Then I come up with a ridiculous theory that Cas and Redack are working together and Redack is just throwing her under the bus to make himself look innocent.... But I also suggested she was on the same side as chief.

Cas was... somewhat vehement toward my suggestion that she and chief were on the same side. Oddly enough - and this part only occurred to me just now - she mentioned nothing of what I said about her and Redack. Why would she make a spectacle over the fact that I accused her and chief of being Mafia, but not Redack???

And then chief responds with this:

What?

So, let me get this straight.

I have put Cas on my list of people that I think may be Mafia, see my post above in this thread.

And if she turns out to be Mafia, thats a piece of evidence that's going to make you think I'm Mafia?

Hello.

Can I have some of what you're smoking?


That wasn't the piece of evidence I was using against him. But besides that, at this stage in the game we've seen just how trigger-happy the Mafia have been to throw each other under the bus this game, so I would by no means use that as evidence of innocence.

I also am troubled by the fact that both Cas and chief used embarrassment tactics to try to make me feel foolish for suggesting they were a team. And it kinda worked at the time... because then I stopped pursuing that theory.

#85 votes for Redack. I can't really fault him completely for that since I suspected Redack too. Bubba shortly after says that he thinks Redack is innocent.

Bandit casts a vote for weid man. igga then argues that, even if he is Mafia, we should go after someone who poses a bigger threat.

Well then we got more players voting for weid man, and this is when Cas stepped in and tried to save him.

Aside from me, chief was the first one to respond after this happened, and he said he believed weid man and Cas were Mafia power roles.

I asked Cas if she thought we should lynch chief instead, and she said yes. After seeing everything that happened this game, I can't really use that as evidence for either side. It might as well have not even happened, as far as I'm concerned. :/

#85 then comes out with this, which seems a little bit shady: "I think we should be worried about trying to take out the Assassin, so we stop loosing two. Weid seems to have been inactive, and the assassin seems to have been very active."

And the rest of the round is just a bunch of fluff. Nothing noteworthy.

Upon reviewing this post, I removed a few things that were only relevant to dead players to shorten it up. Suffice it to say there are a lot of examples where Mafia were throwing each other under the bus, especially Cas.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

Day 6

[Relatively] short round. Only things I feel are worth noting:

Cas called igga out on being quiet, but igga then posted.

Cas said she didn't find Bubba suspicious at all.

Chief made it a point to tell us that Cas was on the list he posted.



Day 7

Another [somewhat] shorter round.

Chief says his top three suspects are Kyon, Pirate, and hindy and igga tied for third.

Bubba gives us some food for thought:
This tells me that Castrael doubted her teammates and saw their only hope lied with the assassin. Conclusion, Castrael was either playing with very innactive players (Hindenburg, Kyon, etc), or not very experienced players. (Going by player scores, Kyon, Hindenburg, Pirate_Ninja). Then there is the possibility that a more experienced player is trying to hide behind the noobies/inactives.


The problem is, we now know that Trever was among their group, and he's a pretty good player.

Bubba then gives us more food for thought... oh, that's funny, he literally says "food for thought". I didn't notice that until just now. {:P} But yeah, this time he's saying he thinks we shouldn't be quick to vote off Kyon because of how persistent Cas was at throwing accusations at him.

Pirate then also expresses that he is hesitant to go after Kyon because of his concern that the Mafia are trying to take advantage of LLight's stats to get an easy kill.

Trever then decides that his top three suspects are Hindy, Kyon, and Bubba. We know that Hindy was innocent and Kyon was guilty.... could Bubba also be innocent in order to make this a Mafia sandwich with innocence bread? (Don't look at me like that... sandwiches kick ass.)


Ok guys, I'm sorry for my massive walls of text. I'm done for tonight. (I need to get a life.... (fedup))

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

I sort of forgot this existed, my bad. But I was informed that I was about to be host killed, and figured there's no point in the town losing another player for no reason.

Anyway, I'm fairly sure the #85 is innocent, and I'm beginning to feel the same way toward Jo Nathan with all the effort he went through this round. From all the info above, chief seems to be the most guilty, and I have no idea about Bubba. And there's not really a whole lot on P+N it appears other than the fact that he's been pretty quiet. So I guess I'll just go ahead and throw my vote out there.

July 2, 2013
igga

Thanks for dropping in, Igga. Pretty sure you just pissed off whoever the mafia is.

Reading Jo's breakdown,

Cheif looks more guilty. I had originally had him pinned as innocent. (The Yeano/Shadow comment comes off as most damning)

#85 looks really hit or miss. Looks mafia-ish at times, other times he does seem devoted into going after the mafia.

Replying to my name,

Bubba questions whether we really should go with LLight's list (which contradicts his stance earlier in the round).

Wasn't a contradicton, since I still said Kyon should be our lynch.

July 2, 2013
Bubba

Wasn't a contradicton, since I still said Kyon should be our lynch.


That's fair enough.


Day 8

Ah yes, this is when #85 suggested a role claim, and Trever agrees. Team effort to get a role claim going, or unfortunate circumstances for #85?

Bubba questions whether #85 would be Mafia because he was the first one to vote for Kyon. A couple posts later, Yoshi says they definitely would for the sake of making themselves look innocent.

#85 says: "I've voted Mafia everytime and I think I will again" and proceeds to vote for Black Yoshi.

One interesting paragraph from Trever - trying to divert attention away from a teammate, or trying to get on #85's good side? Let's see:
Well Cas pointed fingers at Kyon to divert attention from her and weid. I think Kyon was an inactive player entirely so getting rid of him probably would not have been a huge loss for them. Doesn't guarantee anyone's innocence for voting Kyon first, but then #85 doesn't appear to be guilty for any reason either.


And there's a moderately lengthy post from chief, arguing that he doubts the Mafia would throw each other under the bus 4-5 times in a game. He also points out that Pirate, Trever and igga are the only players who haven't voted for Mafia 4 or 5 times, and in fact have voted very few times.

Chief's points might be an attempt to deceive us... but at the same time, they sound like they could be valid.

Pirate explains his voting behavior (I won't paste it all here - it's a few posts up from the bottom of the Round 8 thread) and then says he'd "sooner cast suspicion on Trever than igga".

Chief then says he has to go with his gut, and votes for Pirate.

Zanic says he's suspected Black Yoshi the whole game, and chief says he has too but he has to rethink things after Black Yoshi voted for Kyon.

In protest to the votes for him, Pirate votes for #85.

Chief then says:
PN. it was not personal. The three names on my list were you, Trever and Bubba.

I hope you are right and prove me wrong.


Round ended with a tie.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

Day 9

Zanic confirmed as Lazarus, exposes Trever.

A couple interesting things also happened this round.

Black Yoshi said he's putting more thought into what I said about chief earlier in the game. He also points out how #85 and Trever both suggested a role claim.

I then expressed that I lost interest in pursuing chief, and I even considered that Black Yoshi might have been been Mafia trying to exploit my previous suspicion.

Zanic then says his main suspect is now #85 and says "I think them going at each other's throats in the beginning of this game was just a ploy to throw us off of their trail." Wait, who's "them"? I can only think this applied to #85 and Roxas, but Roxas was innocent, and dead at this point.

Chief says "good job" to Zanic and adds: "Let's hope the last Mafia member will be one that's inactive and you get through the night." Trying to plant a seed in our minds, perhaps?

#85 then gives us this:
Nice one Zanic. Also, I have been suspicious of Trever, chiefsonny, and Jo Nathan since the beginning, and sure enough one was proven right. Combined with the fact that I have voted for every mafia.


and

My strategy the whole time was to play a suspicious game to have the mafia try to take me out, since I am just a townie, not an important role to the town


Sorry, #85, but this is one of the main reasons I have you pegged as a top suspect. It almost seems like you went out of your way to justify why you had been acting shady and point out again that you were just a townie.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

Day 10

This happened not too long ago so I don't really need to summarize it. However, I'll point out a couple things that stuck out.

#85 posted three times in a row, almost as if in a panic, and votes for Pirate. To be fair, I know firsthand that panicking doesn't automatically mean you're guilty. {:?} On the other hand, I only panic when my death will end the game. Is that what was happening to #85?

Bubba made a good point:
I agree with what seems to be a consensus that the remaining mafia member is a veteran player. #85, chief, Ninja, or Jo. Maybe not Chief, since #85 has been mentioning his name the entire game and he is still alive.


Black Yoshi seemed 100% sure that it's got to be #85, and he's dead now. But I'd like to point out that Black Yoshi also was suspecting chief, who Black Yoshi would certainly have pursued if we lynched #85 and found he was innocent.

I feel bad saying it, but even if #85 were innocent, I think we'd have been better off if he had been lynched so that we weren't still deliberating over him.



Ok, so the ratio is now 5-1. If we mislynch twice, we're done.

I'd just like to point out that if we had not tied in the last round, it would have taken us three mis-lynches to lose.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

You were the one who was going after me the most, Jo, I would have taken you out if I was Mafia.

I am going to cast my vote due to a combination of saving myself and having this suspicion for a while anyway.

July 2, 2013
#85

Things are certainly getting close. Only four votes to die, and chief has two.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

I am going to cast my vote due to a combination of saving myself and having this suspicion for a while anyway.

LOL

You had every intention of changing your vote

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

I put myself up, and you guys didn't seal the fate.

July 2, 2013
#85

In the event the round ends and I'm not on line and I get killed tonight, I just want to leave you with a few thoughts.

With no disrespect to any of the other players, imo there are only 3 remaining players that could pull this off.

By that I mean taking out your own team members to make it look like you're a townie. Come to think of it, it's a good strategy in a way. Because the only thing your team mates that you threw under the bus have to lose is 1 point for not being alive. They would still get the points for being on the winning team.

Th 3 that could pull it off are Jo Nathan, #85 and me.

This is only the 2nd game PN has played in, And he hasn't been that active and I doubt he would put that much effort into it.{:P}

Igga is a new player that only shows up every 15 day or so, so he wouldn't have had the time to pull it off.

Bubba has only played a few games and I don't think would have had the experience to pull it off.

Now back to the 3 that could do it and in JN and my case have done it in past games. JN did something along these lines in the last game if I remember right.

So my message to the remaining townies. If I'm take out tonight, either JN or #85 are the Godfather.

Good luck

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

And let me add this. I think Pirate_Ninja is smart enough and cunning enough to do it. I just don't think he would spend the time it would take to make it work.

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

oops, I forgot;

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

If we go by sheer amount of evidence, chief, I have to say you look the most guilty, followed by #85.

But there's something about Pirate. He just strikes me as very... cunning... (shifty)

This is why I wish we had three shots and not two. I blew it by missing the end of the last round. {fp}

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

This will hopefully prevent us from having another tie. And chief, if you are innocent.... please forgive this foolish young chap.

July 2, 2013
Jo Nathan

And chief, if you are innocent


Time will tell. What bothers me the most, is I think the town has blown it again(sad)

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

I still stand by what I said in a early round (Thanks to Jo for reminding me {:P}) I believe it's a veteran player.

I've been mentioning Pirate_Ninja for the last 2 rounds, and I still have a hunch he is mafia. But if not him, it is definitely either #85 or Chief. So the game will not tie, I'm voting for Cheif.

Whoever dies tonight will be telling.

July 2, 2013
Bubba

Et tu, Brute?

July 2, 2013
chiefsonny
 

The town was set to lynch chiefsonny and hopefully celebrate their victory, if he turned out guilty. But just as the noose was tightened, the Thunderville police showed up to stop the event. Apparently the Governor had ordered all killings to be stopped. Interesting.

24 hours or until the Night kill is in.

July 2, 2013
White Thunder

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