R.I.P. Majora! I'll avenge you! Unless you were the Fool, and I'll just be kidding.

So I just went through Day 1 again, but is it just me or is Speed playing a bit weird? (My judging might be off due to extreme tired blegh)

He's a bit quiet, but compared to the way he played last game, it seems more like he's just busy IRL than guilty and trying not to give himself away. After all, that was only Day 1; I expect the inevitable walls of text by the end of Day 3, if not today-round.

That said, definitely something to keep an eye on.

Why would the Mafia use their Janitor on MM9? The whole idea was to verify his identity.

I halfway expect when we go to lynch some Mafia member that they'll claim to be the actual fool.

The town should proceed as though the fool is out of play.

This ^

Or what if no one killed him and he just... left? What a mystery...

Okay, now that that's all done and settled. Let's kill.

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Well this is some bullshit. The fool may still be alive though. And if the fool is alive, he will want people to find him suspicious.

I agree though, it's probably best to assume that the fool is dead. Assuming the fool to be alive may only hinder us at this point.

We should probably kill someone this round though. We can't afford to be passive too long. For now, I will just go with my instinct on this, then watch how things pan out.

Unless the Mafia really want to mess with our minds and kill one of their own, I think we can assume Majora was telling the truth and the Fool is dead. I think it would be a very odd move for a Town sided role to claim to be the Fool and wsk the Mafia to kill him that night.

If I am understanding the roles correctly, it would seem that the mafia would be just as in the dark as we are unless they were mafia. So i'm not sure how this would make it any more probable that Majora was telling the truth.

I think it would be a very odd move for a Town sided role to claim to be the Fool and wsk the Mafia to kill him that night.

One reason I can think of is that he may have wanted to take a bullet for one of our more important roles if he was a plain townie.

This feels dangerous to me. Yeah, I wish the mafia had let us all see Majora's role so we'd know for sure what the status of the Fool was, but I'm not convinced we should be assuming the "easiest" option for us (that is, the Fool being out of play and no longer a danger to the town; my understanding was that the Fool being lynched immediately ends the game... is this wrong?).

Personally, I do think the more likely scenario is that Majora is/was the Fool; a player with as many games under his belt as Majora must have realized that a false Fool claim helps nobody but the Fool himself; since the real Fool is then assumed to be innocent (or guilty), at least one faction would end up wanting him lynched.

It is actually a very important question as to whether or not the Fool is dead, because it would affect our chances of losing in the next round. With the Ballot Forger in play, our ratio is essentially 10-7 (same as before) if Majora was the Fool. That means we can afford a mislynch this round, but must hit a Mafia member the next round. If Majora wasn't the Fool, however, the ratio is more like 9-7, which means a mislynch is probably fatal unless the Fisherman manages to get a kill off on a Mafia member. Personally, I'm inclined to believe that Majora was the Fool, mainly for the reasons Flare suggested--I just don't see a good reason for a Town-sided role to claim Fool. There's already a low enough ratio of power roles to Townies, so I can't imagine Majora feeling the need to pull a move like that so early if he were a Townie.

That being said, we should probably vote for someone this round, since we can afford the mislynch. No Killing affords us one more round (putting us to 9-7), but that gets us in the same place we would be otherwise, where a mislynch loses us the game...except we'd have less information. As to who we should target...I'm not sure. I have a few people I'd rather not target (chiefsonny, probably Bandit and Count Dooku), but no clear suspects. I will say that I found Lightvayne's reaction to being voted for last round just a tad suspicious, but I'll have to reread the round before casting any vote at all.

I don't understand how my reaction to getting voted out of the blue makes me any more suspicious than anyone else. I would surely like to know what my reaction should have been then cause I'm not seeing it.

I could also say that Hindenburg suddenly jumping back on the bandwagon of killing me seems very suspicious. Therefore, I shall return the favor and vote for him.

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Hmmm...thinking back on last round, Hindenburg did stick out to me. He's usually one of the more erratic players among us, but this game he's been a bit wilder than usual, and hellbent on lynching just one person. Not voting yet, but Hindenburg is now on my List of Suspicion.

OH, by the way, @Roxas: Is OOG communication allowed this game?

I think it is a mistake to count the Fool out since we don't really know for sure. The people who I believe are acting pretty strangely are Speed and Hindenburg. It's possible that one of them is the Fool or even Traitor. And if we mess up on a lynch, we'll put ourselves dangerously close to losing the game.

I am not sure about Lightvayne though because literally your response to getting voted for was basically:



Not I'm innocent or even questioning why the person was voting for you in the first place (making an argument for that reason). Then you had Hindenburg, Speed Bike Pro, and the Bandit vote for you. Those two I have already mentioned that I find what they are doing kind of suspicious which makes me wonder if they are some sort of power role.

Bandit's vote (from previous games) seems legit as he typically wants to kill someone on Day 1 (I think). Those are things I have noticed, but I'm not entirely sure what to make of it.

I think Majora was the Fool and the Mafia took her out to make it hard for us to keep up with the numbers on each side and imo there would be no reason to throw one of their own under the bus this early.

We need to hope we get lucky and take out this stupid role of Janitor soon.

I guess it's possible Majora was a townie? I mean, our power roles are incredibly strong this game considering how OP the mafia, so guaranteeing a protection on them would be pretty helpful. He could also maybe be the Traitor? Like trying to draw attention to himself? I think that's a pretty dumb play though. The other two options- that he was the Mafia or a townie power role- are so ridiculous I don't think I need to address them.

I think it's all pretty fucking unlikely though, and I do think it makes the most sense to operate as if the Fool is gone. It's just by far the most likely scenario here. I don't really see any value in us questioning every single lynch, especially in this structure where the Mafia have us by the balls from the get go. Not that we should be careless, but if we have some kind of read on someone I don't see any reason to go "well, he MAY be the Fool...."

Bandit's vote (from previous games) seems legit as he typically wants to kill someone on Day 1 (I think). Those are things I have noticed, but I'm not entirely sure what to make of it.

It's probably best for me to just lie and run off with this logic, but that's honestly not what I was doing. I didn't want a kill on anyone except Majora for Day1 (which I'm glad no one agreed with me on, because it would have been a pretty big mistake). I really felt like he was Mafia, because I couldn't see the Fool doing something like that, but other than that I wouldn't want to take a shot in the dark when I feel like we're this disadvantaged. My vote for Lightvayne was random. I was trying to convey that I agreed that we should just wait and see what happened in Night 1 by removing my vote for Majora. I probably should have actually typed this out I guess, but whatever. I just randomly clicked on someone to take the vote away from Majora and it happened to land on Lightvayne. This is also how I voted for myself once Majora pointed out the Executioner was in this game lol. So, yeah. I'll try to be more deliberate in the future, because I can understand how all this could be confusing.

However, I don't regret it too much, because I do think there's something that can be read in Hidenburg and Chaos' reaction. Chaos really wants to kill somebody, and I'm not sure what to make of it. It could be indicative of Townie play. I usually think lynching is better than not lynching. However, I think it's important to note that the only person he didn't want to kill was Majora, and the Mafia (and Majora) were the only ones last round to know for certain whether Majora was one of them or not. I mean, I was clearly wrong, but I don't think my argument for offing Majora was too ridiculous, and if he's the type of player that just wants to randomly off people to gain information, then I think he should have supported me. The fact that he didn't, and that the Mafia would have a lot of incentive to argue against us lynching Majora, makes me think that he might be one of them.

i'm a spooky spaghetti specter {boo}

However, I don't regret it too much, because I do think there's something that can be read in Hidenburg and Chaos' reaction. Chaos really wants to kill somebody, and I'm not sure what to make of it. It could be indicative of Townie play. I usually think lynching is better than not lynching. However, I think it's important to note that the only person he didn't want to kill was Majora, and the Mafia (and Majora) were the only ones last round to know for certain whether Majora was one of them or not. I mean, I was clearly wrong, but I don't think my argument for offing Majora was too ridiculous, and if he's the type of player that just wants to randomly off people to gain information, then I think he should have supported me. The fact that he didn't, and that the Mafia would have a lot of incentive to argue against us lynching Majora, makes me think that he might be one of them.

Even you admitted that it was most probable that Majora was the fool. I'm not quite sure how you all adapted to playing this, but I think it would be perfectly normal to suggest constantly that people refrain from killing him. Especially when people were actually voting to kill him.

Either way I know that raising suspicion towards me will only hold us back. I can understand your suspicion of me, as I am suspicious of you and Hindenburg as well. But I won't vote for either of you for now because I feel it's best to trust my instinct for now, rather than relying on who I rationally believe to be Mafia.



Isn't only natural though? I want to continue playing the game as much as the next person.

Wow, is this guy seriously defending himself? I've seen enough.

Part of me thinks everything is fine and that we no longer have to watch our votes because the fool is dead!

The other part of me is somehow convinced the fool isn't actually dead and Mafia is just playing games with us. Me thinks either Speed Bike Pro or Hindenburg is the actual Fool though leaning more towards Speed Bike Pro. They at least have to be aligned with each other or something because they both seem to be acting purposely suspicious and if Speed Bike Pro was really town sided then I'd see no reason to try and mess with the town unless for some reason he's doing it on complete purpose. This is probably unlikely and I'm just being naive but I don't think the idea should be dismissed so easily.

Also Chaos Incarnate you do seem to be acting quite defensive I must admit.

We are literally playing into the Mafia's hands if we start down the "well maybe he's alive... maybe Majora was lying" path. Because the second we find a likely Mafia target they'll just reveal as the 'actual' fool and then we'll waste several hours debating the merits of their claim.

Play like the fool is dead. If by some miracle we lynch the actual fool, we hand the Mafia an easily avoidable loss as punishment for not cooperating.

We are literally playing into the Mafia's hands if we start down the "well maybe he's alive... maybe Majora was lying" path. Because the second we find a likely Mafia target they'll just reveal as the 'actual' fool and then we'll waste several hours debating the merits of their claim.

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Also Chaos Incarnate you do seem to be acting quite defensive I must admit

Within reason though. I was merely pointing out some of the holes in Bandit's argument. No one wants to die, especially if their death is pointless.

With the fool out of the way, the cop could prove my innocence, correct? Or am I missing something here?

Well in that case...DING DONG THE FOOL IS DEAD!

Chaos Incarnate, I suppose your reasons for being as defensive is reasonable though you didn't seem to be in any real danger as opposed to Lightvayne.

Yea, and with no Doc, we lose our Cop. The Cop should not report anything until he has 3 Guilty reports.

Doesn't the fisherman have some cop checking ability? I don't think I've ever played a game with that role so I really don't know.

Yes. If I recall, at least when I played the role in Xhin's first game, I had abilities akin to a Doctor, Cop, Watcher, Tracker, and Vigilante, as well as a Bulletproof Vest, all one-shot deals (of course, the Vest lasts until you're hit once). No idea what the items/abilities are this time around; they could be the same, or the could be different, and since Roxas didn't specify, it's anyone's guess until the game ends and we can see for ourselves.

That said, most of me agrees that we should play as if the Fool is dead, but part of me feels we should still be somewhat careful, especially with the Executioner in play. Not sure if an Executioner kill can still end the game if his target happens to be the Fool, but I'm assuming it wouldn't since the Fool's win condition specifies that he must be lynched in order to win, however we should still be careful.

We're approaching the 24 hour mark, so I think it's time to make a decision about whether to lynch or not.

I think it's very logical to assume that Majora was the Fool, and that the ratio was not affected much by last night's kill. I have my suspicions of Chaos, but I don't think it's enough to go off of and I think it would be a lot better to just No Kill for now.

"The greatest fools are ofttimes more clever than the men who laugh at them."

I don't see how or why someone would claim Fool if he weren't the Fool. Claiming Fool as a Town-sided power role would be a bad move, because although it would spare you from being lynched, you'd put a big shiny target on your back for a Mafia kill (or even Executioner kill). As a Townie, you have no powers aside from your wits.. but it still wouldn't make sense to paint the target on your back.

Claiming as a Mafia member though makes a whole lot of sense, actually. You likely wouldn't be lynched, and you wouldn't be executioner killed or night killed. You evade a lot of risk by claiming Fool, and even if someone else counter-claims, everyone would be wary to lynch either claimant... but Majora was night killed, so I think it's safe to say he wasn't the Mafia. Nor do I think he would make such a mistake in claiming Fool were he the Traitor. He knows well enough to think ahead to the Mafia possibly killing him (hell, he was begging them to).

I think it's safe to play on for the time being as though Majora is the Fool, all things considered.

it seems to me that a false Fool claim would benefit the real Fool more than anyone at this point...and I doubt Majora would throw his game away just for someone else to have a slightly better chance of winning. If Majora had lived through the night I'd certainly entertain the possibility he was lying...but I think we can safely say the mafia wouldn't have offed one of their own. They might unknowingly axe the Traitor, maybe, but I don't see a Traitor literally asking the mafia to kill him. And it doesn't make much sense to me for anyone town-sided to fake Fool and request death like that either.

for someone to insist on playing as if the Fool may still be alive seems like a potential mafia attempt to feign ignorance. The mafia are the only (living) ones who actually know what Majora was, but insisting that we can't be sure feels like a diversion because it seems to make so little sense for him not to be the Fool. Someone afraid of revealing their inside mafia knowledge of his role might try to distance themself...but it seems almost like willful ignorance.

I can't say I entirely agree with that just considering it IS Majora we're talking about here, and if he wasn't actually the Fool, we'd be in a heap of trouble. As much as we love knowing absolutes in Mafia, this isn't one. There is a chance, albiet likely very small, that he false-claimed.

But it doesn't change my thoughts that I am at least 97.6
% sure he was the Fool, so although I'm comfortable playing on as though the Fool is out of play, I still suggest us being especially careful with our lynches.

In addition, being skeptical of Majora's role doesn't seem like something that would be a Mafia-exclusive thought (or "feigning ignorance"). That would mean Majora weren't the Fool, which once again seems unlikely (though as I said it is Majora so IDK). I mean, as much as it is nice to have some kinds of solid leads to go off of, you pretty much have to be skeptical in Mafia.

Of course, if Majora weren't the Fool, then the people being skeptical about his role might need a little extra interrogation ;)

Also, IF the Fool is actually still alive and we mislynch, the Executioner could take care of it since they wouldn't know whonthe real Fool is either... and also don't want them lynched

sorry I'm typing on my phone so it's MESSY AND DISORGANIZED

Under 7 hours left in the round, and there's 1 vote for 4 separate people. Not good y'all.

I guess there isn't really anything to do at this point.

Hmm...

Step the fuck off, kid...

Hmm, Tied at 2 for No Kill and 2 for Hindenburg if I'm cunting correctly.

Decisions, decisions. I'm probably going to kick myself for this but...

The way things are, with only half an hour left in the round and nothing to go on, this seems like the only option...

Sigh....

LOLOLOL I ALMOST GOT YOU KILLED

i'm.... so... NGH..... ANGRY...... RAHHH