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night 2 silence of the wolves

Posted June 4, 2013 by White Thunder

The town woke up the next morning expecting some sort of gruesome sight. They were not disappointed.

As they searched around the town, they came upon Female Alpha Wolf's van, normally parked down by the river, just by the local trash-machine-store. What was inside the van was too gruesome to describe, but some brave townies took one for the team to search her person and found out that she was a Townie.

But that wasn't it for the night, no sir and/or ma'am. A certain Llight was found strung up by his ankles outside his house and beaten like a pinata. As they searched his house they found it with an inordinate number of self-help books and realized that he was the Apprentice. A tragic loss for the town, indeed. If he was still alive he would have taken the place of the Apprentice... alas.

1. white lancer
2. Speed Bike Pro
3. Hindenburg
4. Kyon
5. Roxas
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9
8. Apollo Justice
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack
11. Castrael
12. Feral
13. Black Yoshi
14. weid man
15. Trever Leingod
16. igga
17. The Bandit
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano
20. Zanic
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku
24. hezekiah
25. Llight- Apprentice
26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
27. Shadowwalked

Town-Mafia ratio: 17-8

Town roles: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Governor, Double-Voter, Lazarus, Townie x11

Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Silencer, Hooker, Mafioso x4

72 hours or 15 votes to end the day round.

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LLIGHT-KUN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~

June 4, 2013
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Kyon

Well, there goes the Town's only statistician. And wolf.

June 4, 2013
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Bubba

New threads are so much more easier. xD

Where did my LLight go? Too dark over here, I cant see.

:/

Anywho, putting the joking aside, I really thought the Mafia would go after Redack. Glad they didnt though. :) Then again, Im worried he could be Mafia too. Anything's possible. What do you guys think?

June 4, 2013
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Castrael

Alright, let's kill some people!

June 4, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

I still think 85 is our best option. That being said...

June 4, 2013
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`Roxas`

Damn, no more statistical enLLightenment for us...

That said, Roxas' point about #85 seems valid, but I'm still hesitant.

June 4, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I agree with Yoshi. Hesitant but Roxas seems confident with his choice. which is a good thing.

June 4, 2013
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Castrael

good thing as in: if he's right then that would be a great deal for the Townies. if not, the extra killing goes to Mafia. We need to becareful with our numbers

June 5, 2013
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Castrael

Next person to make a cheesy "LLight" pun gets host killed.

June 5, 2013
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White Thunder

Sorry Thunder and LLight ^^;

June 5, 2013
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Castrael

Well that sucks. All those reassuring thoughts we had because of the apprentice are out the window. This just points out that we need to be extra careful. We can't just risk any old vote in fear of voting out our cop or doctor or some other power role.

Roxas still seems pretty confident that it's 85, but I'll hold off on my vote until more people post.

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Zanic

Looks like it's LLights out for LLight.

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Kyon

Looks like it's LLights out for LLight.




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Speed Bike Pro
 

Maybe it's possible the vigilante was mentioned as one of LLight's accusations. He then got scared and removed LLight. Maybe. I just can't fathom why the vigilante would do that this early.

June 5, 2013
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Bubba

Sorry Thunder and LLight ^^;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKarubQva70

June 5, 2013
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Bubba

Youtube links >< ugh lol

gee thx Bubba xD

June 5, 2013
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Castrael

I swear to God, with LLight's adamance for voting Redack off last round, if Red actually turns out to be Mafia I will laugh my ass off.

Anyway, I'll have to go back over the last thread to glean anything else.

June 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

I will too, Yoshi. Roxas did say he wont stop til #85 is dead.

June 5, 2013
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Castrael

I'll make a proposal:

If we lynch #85 today and he turns out innocent, the Vigilante can elect to kill me tonight. If I live through the night, y'all can kill me tomorrow.

June 5, 2013
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`Roxas`

Well I can't say I'm surprised to see that LLight was killed. I just wish he hadn't made himself such a huge target considering his role. One less power role the Assassin has to worry about. {fp}

Anyway, I'm going to give Roxas' idea a shot.

June 5, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Don't really think there's enough evidence against #85 yet. Not even going to consider voting for him until he replies.

June 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Like I said last round, I don't agree with Roxas' argument, but hunches are sometimes valid and I'm happy with murdering pretty much anyone except myself.

I would like to see more discussion, obviously, but if nothing better comes up then I'll stick with this.

June 5, 2013
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The Bandit

Also I think it might be beneficial for the cop to reveal once he or she has at least three verdicts of players that are still alive, regardless of whether they're guilty or innocent. That sounds about fair, doesn't it? Even if we get just three confirmed innocents (four, really, if you count the cop) and no confirmed Mafiosos, that would still let us go for several rounds with just a few less people to worry about.

June 5, 2013
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Jo Nathan

FUCK

June 5, 2013
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weid man

Weid man confirmed for godfather.

June 5, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Noooo! LLight! (cry)

Going to wait for more replies, and something else to go on before I make a vote yet.

June 5, 2013
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igga

I just hope this is not going to be a repeat of last game.

Also I think it might be beneficial for the cop to reveal once he or she has at least three verdicts of players that are still alive, regardless of whether they're guilty or innocent.


That might work especially if the Doctor is still alive to protect the Cop. It's a move that would help the Mafia because they already know who we are but not what roles we all have. It would put a target on the Cops back.
We need to get as many reports as we can, so waiting until he/she has 3 would be the thing to do if the Doc's still alive. If the Doc's dead we may want to rethink it.

Will vote later. Heading out.

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chiefsonny
 

Quite frankly, with this many players (and espeically this big a Mafia), three verdicts is nowhere near enough. I feel like the Cop should wait to reveal until s/he has at least five or six verdicts all told. That way it's almost guaranteed they have at least two or three guilty verdicts amongst the innocents.

June 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

If the cop waits for five or six verdicts, that would mean 10 or 12 people die before the cop decides to reveal, and that isn't even counting Assassin kills. The odds of the cop being in that group of people that get killed are pretty high, plus the odds of cop investigations going to waste because the investigated players are either lynched or killed by the Mafia are also pretty good.

Ultimately the cop will have to use his or her own judgement on when to reveal, and hopefully he/she can fly under the Mafia's radar so as to avoid getting targeted during the Night.

June 5, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Hey guys. I will be away for the next week or so, due to real life issues. I just wanted to take a second and confirm that I was indeed silenced yesterday(day 1).

Just so you won't freak out about losing a power role, I am just a plain townie.

June 5, 2013
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Feral

If the doctor is still around after three more rounds, it might be best for the sheriff to come out then, assuming the doctor would cooperate. It would do a world of good just to have three confirmed town's members. Apprentice really would have been helpful here.

I really don't understand the #85 bandwagon here.

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Bubba

Don't really think there's enough evidence against #85 yet. Not even going to consider voting for him until he replies.

Agreed. Though, it is possible that Roxas is the Cop and just checked #85 last night, and this is his way of telling us he got a guilty verdict. Or not. Either way, I'd like to hear from #85, since I don't really know his play style to begin with.

... I guess I could look through past games, but that would require effort.

June 5, 2013
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Apollo Justice

I swear to God, with LLight's adamance for voting Redack off last round, if Red actually turns out to be Mafia I will laugh my ass off.


Redack is harmless, leave him alone (cry)

June 5, 2013
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Redack

Did anyone actually READ Roxas's "evidence"? If anything it showed when I am Mafia, I no vote to blend in with the town.

June 5, 2013
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#85

You said that before, Red xD

June 5, 2013
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Castrael

Did anyone actually READ Roxas's "evidence"? If anything it showed when I am Mafia, I no vote to blend in with the town.

That's exactly why I was so hesitant. Something seemed off about his claims. Thinking back on previous games, if memory serves me right, Roxas usually points fingers fairly early on if he's Mafia, but he's a bit more restrained when he's Town-sided.

Then again, you have to remember that this is my mind at work, and I could be COMPLETELY wrong about this...

June 5, 2013
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Black Yoshi

Game 8: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=67759
No kill, Doctor

Game 9*: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=68556
No kill, Cop

Game 10: DNP

Game 11: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=69697
No kill, Townie

Game 12: http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=70429
No kill, Townie

Halloween: DNP

Christmas: DNP

Game 13: DNP

Game 14: DNP

Game 15: DNP

Game 16: DNP

Game 17*: DNP

Current game: Random Vote for hezekiah, role unknown

(*)INDICATES GAME RESET

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Yesterday you said the situation changes with so many people, when in fact it's the way you handle the situation. You typically play more aggressive early on when you're Mafia.

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`Roxas`

Outside the first six, you never pushed for, or even voted for, a lynch to start off the game, except when you have been against the town.

June 5, 2013
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`Roxas`

PEOPLE MUST DIE

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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.

Game 4: (Infamous LLight as Cop Game): http://gtx0.com/view.php?post=62888
Voted No Kill; Mafia Thug.

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#85

Well seems like enough are going to jump on the bandwagon to seal my fate, just remember who played the aggressive game (Roxas) and who voted early (Jo Nathan). IMO Jo Nathan was so ready to kill someone it is even more suspicious than Roxas.

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#85

Yes. I'm not sure if I believe these accusations against 85. No one is to be really be trusted, so Roxas is still on the same level as 85 for me. As for Jo Nathan, I have no clue.

I'd like to hear what the others think. There are a few big players that have not yet spoken this round. Such as Dooku and Lancer.

Keep in mind that someone is most likely silenced.

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Zanic

I'm tempted to vote for Jo Nathan if only because of "intuition." I don't feel like the evidence against #85 is enough for a lynch.

June 5, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I have some thoughts but nothing worth publicizing quite yet.

June 5, 2013
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Speed Bike Pro
 

Maybe you didn't see my second reply specifying:

Outside the first six (games)


As I pointed out, in Game 2 you said that first round sacrifices are dumb, so why did you vote in the last round?

I've already said that if I'm wrong, they are free to lynch me if they think it would benefit the town. The Vigilante is free to take a shot at me if he (or she) wishes to do so.

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`Roxas`

I've already said that if I'm wrong, they are free to lynch me if they think it would benefit the town. The Vigilante is free to take a shot at me if he (or she) wishes to do so.


Why would you even suggest this if you're town-sided?

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MajorasMask9

If I'll be considered a hindrance next round it makes no sense to keep me around after that, right? I'd prefer to stay alive as long as possible, but if one person or group decides otherwise, that's just the way the game is.

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`Roxas`

Now I'm a little confused. Roxas seems adamant that 85 is guilty. It makes no sense to me why he would just offer himself to the vigilante. Something isn't right about all of this...

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Zanic

I'm saying if I should be wrong about #85, which I don't believe I am, the Vigilante is more than welcome to kill me if they want to. Same goes for the town if I make it through the night.

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`Roxas`

If Roxas is mafia then it seems absurd for him to just pick out someone random and try to get them lynched.

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The Bandit

" I'm happy with murdering pretty much anyone except myself. " - The Bandit. ...maybe Roxas is thinking thevsame?

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#85

Correct me if I'm wrong but: Your argument against #85 is that he decided not to vote no-kill last round, even though in every game when he was town-sided, he did vote no-kill on Day 1.

For some reason though, you exclude the first six games he played. For starters, he wasn't mafia in any of the games that you listed, so excluding the first six games to show that he only votes "no-kill" on Day 1 when he's innocent doesn't work, because you haven't shown that he does vote for someone on Day 1 when he's mafia. The games that you excluded include the following:

Game 1 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Feral Day 1.
Game 3 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Knukles Day 1.
Game 4 -- #85 was a Mafia thug, voted no-kill Day 1.
Game 5 -- #85 was a townie, voted for Majora Day 1.

Rather than attribute his change in strategy to the fact that it's his first game after a lengthy hiatus (similar to how his "strategy" changed after his first six games,) you conclude that it must mean he's mafia even though there's not even anecdotal evidence suggesting this is true.

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MajorasMask9

maybe Roxas is thinking thevsame?

Except I've already stated three times this round alone that if the town thinks I'm guilty, they can go ahead with a lynch against me.

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`Roxas`

Even though Roxas' evidence makes no sense, I do think he's unlikely to be mafia because I don't see anyone mafia sided making this kind of play. Why #85? Even if they somehow knew he was the doctor or cop, they could just kill him with a night vote or assassin kill.

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The Bandit

Except your evidence, if anything, suggests I am innocent rather than guilty.

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#85

Except I've already stated three times this round alone that if the town thinks I'm guilty, they can go ahead with a lynch against me.

Can we just lynch you first?

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Bubba

Odd turn of events with Roxas going hard after #85 here... I'm not silenced today either.

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hezekiah

Yeah, in fact, I'll be the first one to cast the vote.

Hopefully, #85 will be the next kill.

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`Roxas`

Roxas why on earth are you voting for yourself? To prove a point? What point? Because it's completely backfiring if you're a townie.

From my perspective: "I was wrong about an accusation I made. KILL ME."

This isn't beneficial to the town at all.

June 6, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I'm Mafia.
85's Mafia.
Speed's Mafia.

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`Roxas`

Even if we kill you and you turn up innocent, that doesn't make #85 guilty. : /

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The Bandit

Um. OK.

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The Bandit

Goin back to Roxas after the freakout, constant accusing with unreasonable explanations doesn't seem very town sided, although Jo Nathan is still high on my list

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#85

Alright. Well...

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Zanic

A possible explanation is that Roxas was suspicious of #85, used his cop role to confirm, and is now going after him even harder. But if he was the cop surely he wouldn't be setting himself up for a possible kill this early in the game.

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Bubba

Roxas, I think we need to have a talk, just between bros... Okay, what the fuck are you trying to pull here?

I'm Mafia.
85's Mafia.
Speed's Mafia.


I lol'd.

Anyways, I want to kill someone but I want it to be for good reason. This whole situation is a messy clusterf*ck.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

I don't think Roxas is guilty. Just based on the fact that he went through #85's entire game history to try to prove a point. Granted, it's possible he could be mafia and is that determined to get an innocent person lynched, but it doesn't seem like something even I would want to do as mafia this early; especially when you consider the typical hesitation of mafia members to point fingers.

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MajorasMask9

A possible explanation is that Roxas was suspicious of #85, used his cop role to confirm, and is now going after him even harder. But if he was the cop surely he wouldn't be setting himself up for a possible kill this early in the game.


Roxas isn't the cop. The cop wouldn't try to get themselves killed just to prove that two people are guilty in a game with 8 mafia members. Governor maybe, but not the cop.

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MajorasMask9

If he's not guilty, then why go after Speed as well? Either he's a townie who's having a huge temper tantrum for no reason (which seems really unlikely given what I know about him), or he's mafia. Whether 85 and Speed are actually mafia is up for debate, but this seems kind of clear.

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The Bandit

All I know is that this isn't like Roxas' usual behavior. Not even close. It's making me really uneasy. I can't get a good read off of him. I'm not sure why he is trying so desperately to get 85 out and now Speed.

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Zanic

I was having a piss poor start to the evening after a fight with my brother, and I let it boil over into the game. For that, I apologize.

Honestly, I have no idea who is what other than I'm a townie. Something just feels off to me about #85 this game, and it has nothing to do with his hiatus from the game.

Whether y'all want to believe me is up to you, but it's just a game so if you have to do away with me, that's fine.

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`Roxas`

If he's not guilty, then why go after Speed as well? Either he's a townie who's having a huge temper tantrum for no reason (which seems really unlikely given what I know about him), or he's mafia. Whether 85 and Speed are actually mafia is up for debate, but this seems kind of clear.


How does this make it clear he's mafia? You stated two possibilities: he's a townie and being silly, or he's mafia, and playing a terrible game. I'm more inclined to believe it's the former.

If Roxas was mafia, what good would randomly implicating Speed do? What good would randomly implicating himself do? #85? His behavior is too sporadic to the point where even if he was mafia it would be impossible to take his actions seriously; he's clearly joking around, regardless of his alignment. As I said, I feel like he's likely a townie, so I think killing him would be a mistake.

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MajorasMask9

I'd like to add a little insight.

This post:

I'm Mafia.
85's Mafia.
Speed's Mafia.

-Roxas


... was just a joke. First of all, admitting to being mafia defeats the purpose of the argument he's trying to make. Apart from that, it's just plain stupid.

His accusation of #85 was not a joke.

However, including me was a bit of an inside joke of sorts. We've played epic mafia numerous times and there is a bit of a running gag that Roxas thinks I'm mafia and/or kills me regardless of the circumstances. With that in mind, I just assumed the quoted post was a joke and that's why my response was "I lol'd". Accusing me was a mere joke and I don't want people to see it as anything other than that or waste time thinking about a hidden deeper meaning.

Then again, this is mafia so I know people will do that anyways.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

...can we remove the site-wide announcement while the game is going, please? It's really not necessary after sign-ups are over since we all get notifications from the game updates, and it's misleading when no one remembers to change it. I popped onto gtx0 several times, saw the announcement that it was still nighttime, and didn't bother to log in. I didn't realize the round ended until Zanic told me. -_-

Anyway, re: Roxas and #85, I pretty much agree with Bandit's post here:

Even though Roxas' evidence makes no sense, I do think he's unlikely to be mafia because I don't see anyone mafia sided making this kind of play. Why #85? Even if they somehow knew he was the doctor or cop, they could just kill him with a night vote or assassin kill.

...with the stipulation that #85 could still be guilty despite Roxas' evidence being unconvincing (and I'm definitely watching his reaction). I'm more concerned about the players who made comments along the lines of 'Roxas has a good point,' when his evidence was pretty lackluster and his suspicion seemed more based on gut feelings than anything else.

Re: the Cop, I think s/he should come out sooner rather than later as long as the Doctor is still in the game. I'm tempted to suggest that they even consider coming out today, as that guarantees that they'll be able to have the Doctor's protection, but then of course we're up the creek without a paddle if the Mafia manage to catch the Doctor. I think it might be worth the risk since there's only a small chance that the Mafia will get the Doctor any time soon, but it is a risk and it might also be worth keeping the Cop hidden on the off chance that he catches the Assassin.

Maybe it's possible the vigilante was mentioned as one of LLight's accusations. He then got scared and removed LLight. Maybe. I just can't fathom why the vigilante would do that this early.

Hmm...why are we so confident it was the Vigilante who got him, Bubba? LLight could have easily been the Mafia kill (and frankly, I'm a bit surprised he didn't have the Doctor covering him since he made himself such an obvious target).

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white lancer

Sorry for being mostly inactive. I've been working 10+ hours every day this week- just finished a 14-hour shift and the rest of the week is looking pretty busy. Once I'm back in my own office and timezone next week things will be easier.

I didn't get a chance to read what happened since my last post, but I skimmed through and found that #85 threw an accusation my way. This accusation seems like nothing but an attempt to grasp at a straw, not that it matters since everyone is now opting to off Roxas, for God knows what reason.

Roxas: Look at this evidence I have on #85.
#85: Look, he's trying to off me for no reason! Get him!
Roxas: Wtf srsly? Whatevs, I kill myself



I am inclined to suspect Black Yoshi for basically suggesting that the cop wait until he's statistically most likely to be dead before he reveals his verdicts, and I do not think this should be ignored.

And I'd keep an eye on lancer. He always is eager to help the town, but he's especially good at creating an illusion of this when he's Mafia. Long, detailed posts, potentially useful or possibly fatal. No solid reason to suspect him yet, but that is something to keep in mind.

And of course Redack. For fucks sake, if he makes it to the end of this game he should automatically get 20 bonus points.

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Jo Nathan

I actually think this is very much typical `Roxas`. Sure, he went a little drastic this time, and he explained why, but if my memory serves, he's quite often been willing to throw himself under the bus. He has voted for himself quite a bit as an attempt to prove his innocence (which I've never understood, but nevertheless, he has done this more than once).

I've never played a game with Zanic before, but I don't trust him. He seems a bit suspicious to me. But maybe that's because I've never played with him before. I don't have anything more than a gut reaction on him at this point (no slip ups or even implications). He just seems scummy to me.

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Yeano

I guess 17.1 is still fresh in my mind, and I was assuming Roxas was throwing part of the mafia and himself under the bus because of some disagreement, so I took his comment too seriously. My mistake.

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The Bandit

A very confusing round indeed.

But, I do agree with lancer and the Bandit. There's really no reason to vote someone off like that. I'm holding off my vote for now. Roxas or #85 won't be getting a vote from me.

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Castrael

Hmm...why are we so confident it was the Vigilante who got him, Bubba? LLight could have easily been the Mafia kill (and frankly, I'm a bit surprised he didn't have the Doctor covering him since he made himself such an obvious target).

LLight made himself a target, which is why I don't think it was the mafia that killed him. Any sensible Mafia member would have wanted to keep LLight alive, UNLESS one of his four he mentioned in his stats are members of the mafia, then they may have axed him. Then again, pretty much everyone in the last round dismissed LLight's accusations, so I don't think the Mafia was afraid of LLight.

Was gametalk down earlier today?

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Bubba

Alright. I've been convinced otherwise. I see no apparent reason to vote Roxas off now. We all have bad days. I was not jumping on the bandwagon, just voting based on Roxas' meltdown which has happened to me when I was mafia once and people started throwing my name around.

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Zanic

Was gametalk down earlier today?


Yes, I had the same issues.

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Castrael

If LLight was the vigilante kill, then why did the assassin choose not to kill someone? He or she would have a huge chance of randomly picking a townie to kill.

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The Bandit

...

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#85

LLight made himself a target, which is why I don't think it was the mafia that killed him


If the Mafia didn't kill him then there should have been 3 kills not 2 unless the Assassin wasn't active and doing his/her job.

He or she would have a huge chance of randomly picking a townie to kill.


The Assassin doesn't have to randomly pick. He knows who all the Mafia are so he can pick any one thats not on his team.

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chiefsonny
 

If the Mafia didn't kill him then there should have been 3 kills not 2 unless the Assassin wasn't active and doing his/her job.

We're also going off of the assumption that it was the Vigilante and not the Assassin or Mafia that did so, when the opposite could very well be true.

There a few possibilities as far as LLight and FAW's death go:

1) Mafia group killed LLight, Assassin got FAW
2) Mafia group killed FAW, Assassin got LLight
3) Mafia group killed FAW, Vigilante got LLight
4) Mafia group killed LLight, Vigilante got FAW

I think we can narrow it down to Option 3 being the most likely and Options 2 and 4 being the least likely.

FAW is a dangerous person to let be until late in the game. She's shown time and again that is when she's most potent to the side opposing her.

He knows who all the Mafia are so he can pick any one thats not on his team.

On their own team as well, if they so wish.

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`Roxas`

The Mafia definitely wasted a move then, when they could have picked an Assassin kill. If the guess is wrong though, then they die and are revealed to the rest of the town. So, better be safe then sorry. It's not just guessing. They would still have to guess what Power Role a Townie might have.

At least, I think that's how it goes. {:?}

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Castrael

So the assassin can kill anyone, including regular townies? I was under the impression that they could only kill townie power roles. That seems to give too much power to the mafia. Role page should probably clarify that a bit more.

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Bubba

Why is option 3 the most likely? The most likely is that LLight was the mafia kill and FAW was the Assassin pick. : /

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The Bandit

The Vig may not have a reason to kill anyone the first night.

But, basically Roxas is saying, "all for one or all for nothing." At least, in my opinion, that's what he's saying

Question of the day: Who would you kill and why?

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Castrael

So the assassin can kill anyone, including regular townies?

If they correctly guess that the individual is a townie, yes.

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White Thunder

Only requirement for the Assassin to kill is a correct guess at a person's role, regardless of allegiance.

Why is option 3 the most likely? The most likely is that LLight was the mafia kill and FAW was the Assassin pick. : /

Using the Assassin kill on what is most likely isn't guaranteed to work. Case in point is a couple of games ago when I guessed Jo Nathan a Townie and he was an Alien. Playing percentages in such a way isn't an effective way of using the Assassin. Yes, it's more likely (almost 2-to-1 chances) that FAW was a Townie instead of a Power Role, but even then it's just too risky to wager that much on a Night One Assassin Kill. I'm not saying it's improbable that what you're mentioning, just a foolish thing to do on Night One.

That's why it seems more likely that FAW was the Mafia kill (for the reasons I stated in my last post) and LLight was the Vigilante kill.

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`Roxas`

3) Mafia group killed FAW, Vigilante got LLight
4) Mafia group killed LLight, Vigilante got FAW


Well if either one of these options are right, then the Vigilante needs to back off until we have something to go on.

we started out with 19, we now have 17, and after the next night round we'll be down to 16, 15 if the Assassin get's lucky. We're dropping like flies.

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chiefsonny
 

But, basically Roxas is saying, "all for one or all for nothing." At least, in my opinion, that's what he's saying

What I said were the four most likely options (since it's doubtful that the Mafia didn't decide on a group kill, however it is possible).

Assuming that FAW was a regular Townie because that has the most roles behind it would be a poor way of deciding her as an Assassin kill.

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`Roxas`

Last game Majora went for an assassin kill every single night if I'm not mistaken. And considering the assassin has a greater than 50% chance of hitting a townie this game on Night 1, I don't see why it's such a great risk. It's very possible for your percentages to get worse as the game progresses.

I don't disagree that FAW is dangerous, but I don't see why the Vig would target LLight. He didn't do anything overtly suspicious to me. It seems pretty damn likely that they didn't want to have to worry about how much they posted in the night rounds. : /

None of this is too relevant to helping us find mafia members, but I'm just disagreeing with every last thing you're saying this game and it's weirding me out a bit.

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The Bandit

Ultimately whether or not FAW/LLight were killed by the Assassin or the vigilante is a non-issue, though, since either way it doesn't give us a lead on who is who.

We have one more day left to vote for someone unless White Thunder decides to extend the day due to the ~12 hours of site downtime.

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MajorasMask9

It was down for 12 hours? Wow. I only noticed it being down for an hour or so.

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Castrael

Case in point is a couple of games ago when I guessed Jo Nathan a Townie and he was an Alien.

Ugh. Very possibly cost us the game. Was such a shame...

Sorry. Get back to your game {:P}

We have one more day left to vote for someone unless White Thunder decides to extend the day due to the ~12 hours of site downtime.

I will extend it some, but probably not 12 hours... probably more like 6.

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White Thunder

Last game Majora went for an assassin kill every single night if I'm not mistaken.

Yes, and one of those kills was because a player had told their role to Majora. Had they not done that, the game would have gone differently.

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`Roxas`

Observation: Trever's awful quiet this game.

June 6, 2013
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`Roxas`

Yeah, he has been but I think he's busy. Haven't seen him around anywhere.

June 7, 2013
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Castrael

Players we haven't heard from today (correct me if I'm wrong):

Shadowwalked
Count Dooku
Trever Leingod

(and FAW and LLight may your sweet souls rest in peace)

Hey guys. I will be away for the next week or so, due to real life issues. I just wanted to take a second and confirm that I was indeed silenced yesterday(day 1).

Just so you won't freak out about losing a power role, I am just a plain townie.

- Feral


Should have said something earlier; I'm sorry Feral, I hope everything's okay. Besides that, though... probably not a good idea to role claim this early. I find that a bit odd.

Quite frankly, with this many players (and espeically this big a Mafia), three verdicts is nowhere near enough. I feel like the Cop should wait to reveal until s/he has at least five or six verdicts all told. That way it's almost guaranteed they have at least two or three guilty verdicts amongst the innocents.

- Black Yoshi


That is... strange. As Jo said, a LOT of people will die before that happens. Possibly including the Cop. Unless, of course, there's a reason you wouldn't want the Cop to speak..

I know some people have voiced their suspicions of Jo, but I'm not suspicious of him now if only for the fact that he's playing much differently than last game. Though, of course, it could just be a strategy for him to completely change his persona to throw people off.

Not suspicious of Roxas, I don't see why he'd throw himself so far under the bus if he were actually Mafia. Though, once again, it could just be a strategy.

I... also think someone may have made a Freudian slip. (hehe) But I might just be overlooking it. I second-guess myself too much. Not going to pursue it... yet.

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Apollo Justice

Correction, we also haven't heard from Pirate_Ninja.

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Apollo Justice

Last game Majora went for an assassin kill every single night if I'm not mistaken. And considering the assassin has a greater than 50% chance of hitting a townie this game on Night 1, I don't see why it's such a great risk. It's very possible for your percentages to get worse as the game progresses.

I don't disagree that FAW is dangerous, but I don't see why the Vig would target LLight. He didn't do anything overtly suspicious to me. It seems pretty damn likely that they didn't want to have to worry about how much they posted in the night rounds. : /

Agreed with this 100%. Frankly, if the Mafia didn't use their Assassin power last night, it was a poor move. They've got a lot of ground to make up this game and a less than 50% chance of missing (coupled with the chance to find a power role even if you do miss). I'd take the shot, especially against a sneaky UTR player like FAW. Plus, LLight wasn't really making himself a target for the Town IMO--I certainly didn't think he looked remotely Guilty, particularly since no one he singled out so much as denied his accusations.

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white lancer

We can be pretty sure that Trever isn't Silenced this round, unless someone wants to argue that the Mafia didn't use their Silencer power on Night 0. Of course, a fairly common Mafia strategy is to have one of your own fake silencing, so that doesn't say much.

Also, I think it does say something if the Mafia took out LLight or if the Vig did, MM9, and I find it a little strange that you'd say otherwise. It would tell us if LLight might have been on the right track as well as show what kinds of players we have in this Mafia group (are they calculated risk-takers or too nervous to play the odds?). Yeah, it doesn't let us know who to vote for today, but it's not exactly worthless information. Of course, there's no way to be sure.

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white lancer

I have a theory.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Let's don't forget weid man's contribution

FUCK {:P}

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chiefsonny
 

We can be pretty sure that Trever isn't Silenced this round, unless someone wants to argue that the Mafia didn't use their Silencer power on Night 0.


Why is this exactly?

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Yeano

Because Trever was the only one who didn't speak last round.

Also, I'd like to hear your theory, Speed.

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white lancer

Wait, nevermind, that was Feral. Don't know how I got those two confused. -_-"

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white lancer

I have a theory.


I'd like to hear your theory, Speed.


Gee, this seems awfully familiar.....

Frankly, if the Mafia didn't use their Assassin power last night, it was a poor move. They've got a lot of ground to make up this game and a less than 50% chance of missing (coupled with the chance to find a power role even if you do miss). I'd take the shot, especially against a sneaky UTR player like FAW.


Or perhaps the Vigilante wanted to take out an UTR player like FAW because she would be difficult to read toward the end of the game - something else that seems a bit familiar, actually. {:P}

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Jo Nathan

Hmmm... Interesting.

I think I have an idea of why you thought it was Trever, white lancer.

In Day 1, Speed Bike Pro jumped the gun and, when there were about 4 people who had yet to respond, declared that Trever was the one who was silenced. Of course, this turned out to be false.

But it brings up an interesting question. You were swayed by Speed Bike Pro's declaration without checking up on it. Seems a little bit sloppy for you, lancer.

Does this mean you're suspicious? I think it adds a little bit of suspicion. But I don't think it makes you totally suspicious.

Also, lancer, what do you think of Zanic's playing this game? Does he seem suspicious to you? I think you know him better than I do, so I'd like your opinion.

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Yeano

Gee, this seems awfully familiar.....

Jo Nathan


How so?

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Gee, this seems awfully familiar.....

Heh, indeed. I note that I haven't gotten an answer quite yet...

Or perhaps the Vigilante wanted to take out an UTR player like FAW because she would be difficult to read toward the end of the game - something else that seems a bit familiar, actually.

Touché. {:P} If I've become a trendsetter, so be it. Still seems more likely to me that the Mafia used the Assassin last night, though. I'd be surprised if they were really playing that conservatively.

@Yeano, two questions: does my mixing up who was silenced seem suspicious because I'm playing sloppy, or because you think I'm just pretending to play sloppy? And don't you think perhaps that my lowered levels of activity might have something to do with me mixing two players up?

A third question: how would you feel if you played three times and wound up as Mafia all three times? Cause I'm feeling a little suspicious of you as well after a post that was a little iffy on logic IMO. {:P} My problem with you, and what keeps me from being too confident about my read on you, is that I've never seen you play as a Town role, so I'm not sure if you'd play significantly different. I've got my eyes on you...

Also, re: Zanic, I always feel a little bit of pressure whenever anyone asks me that because I feel like I should be able to read him well, but I worry that I'm going to screw up and let everyone down. This game, he's said a few things that might seem a little suspicious, but truth be told he seemed way too happy after he checked his role. If he's Mafia, he did a much better job acting in person than he ever has digitally.

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white lancer

But it brings up an interesting question. You were swayed by Speed Bike Pro's declaration without checking up on it. Seems a little bit sloppy for you, lancer.

Does this mean you're suspicious? I think it adds a little bit of suspicion. But I don't think it makes you totally suspicious.


That's a pretty bold conclusion for what could easily and believably have been a simple name mixup.

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MajorasMask9

Correction, we also haven't heard from Pirate_Ninja.
oh...so I'm...an afterthought... (cry)


truth be told, the site was down yesterday when I had planned to come by, look over the game threads, and hopefully share a thought or two. Bit of a morning thing as of late...so that kinda fell apart.

The thing that stuck out most to me was suggesting a 5-6 investigation reveal by the Cop, if only because it wouldn't be suicide to claim the role while we still have a Doctor around. There are a lot of players to check (and hide behind), but I think we'd be better off at least making some headway in tracking down the guilty lest we end up with cold fuzz and no verdicts.


Let's don't forget weid man's contribution

FUCK {:P}
sounds like a Hooker's train of thought, let's get him

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Pirate_Ninja

@Speed: In the last game, I stated I had a theory. When I didn't elaborate on it, lancer called me out and asked me to elaborate.

It may not mean anything though. I've stated I had theories and didn't express them when I was innocent before, too.

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Jo Nathan

does my mixing up who was silenced seem suspicious because I'm playing sloppy, or because you think I'm just pretending to play sloppy?


I most certainly do not think you're pretending to play sloppily. That would be no good.

And don't you think perhaps that my lowered levels of activity might have something to do with me mixing two players up?


Of course it could. Especially if you're Mafia. Now, it wouldn't be if you're the Silencer. But with 8 mafia members, I'm guessing the Mafia thread could easily have around 150 replies by now.

For that matter, the fact that Feral was silenced is a little bit strange to me. Why Feral? What is Feral going to do on Day 1 which hurts the mafia? Probably nothing. True, no one else would do much of anything either, but it just seems strange. I would expect with 8 players, the majority would try to coerce the Silencer into silencing a player who would post decent strategies or who might pick up on a mistake that a mafia player might make (and with 8 mafia members, a mistake is more likely in this game than usual).

And yet Feral was silenced. What this tells me is that the mafia, in general, did not care about what the Silencer did during Night 0. They let him do his own thing. And that own thing may have been very calculated like, "They'd never expect someone like me to silence Feral on Night 0." And it's even possible that a majority of the mafia agreed to something calculated like that.

However, it still suggests that the mafia in general didn't have too much of an interest in the choice of who was silenced on Night 0. And if you are busy, you wouldn't want to read through the likely 300 or so replies accumulated through both the Mafia thread and the Day 1 thread very carefully.

But, of course, I could be wrong on this. Just showing my thought process.

how would you feel if you played three times and wound up as Mafia all three times?


That would be neat.

but truth be told he seemed way too happy after he checked his role. If he's Mafia, he did a much better job acting in person than he ever has digitally.


Are you saying that Zanic dislikes being in the mafia?

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Yeano

It may not mean anything though. I've stated I had theories and didn't express them when I was innocent before, too.


Ohhhh.

Well, the short and sweet version is that I think Feral is mafia.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

@Yeano:

I'm surprised you would come up with a theory like this and it looks to me like you're just grasping to throw suspicion at white lancer. Your intentions for doing this, I'm not entirely sure of, but it's definitely out of character.

I'd assume if white lancer was mafia he'd obviously know for certain who the silence target was. It was one of the mafia's only actions that night, and I'd think white lancer of all people would be observant enough to know who it was. In all likelihood, it would be more likely for a town-sided player to make that kind of mistake, and I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

I'm not saying white lancer's mistake was intentional or not, or that you pointing a finger at white lancer was staged or not, but it's a strange accusation for you to make, and is reminiscent of the arguments you made against me in our staged back-and-forth last game.

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MajorasMask9

I'd assume if white lancer was mafia he'd obviously know for certain who the silence target was. It was one of the mafia's only actions that night, and I'd think white lancer of all people would be observant enough to know who it was.


Probably. But it's not certain. There are ways that it could have happened. Maybe the Silencer was debating between Trever and Feral (since essentially, either one would be a strange choice, in my estimation), and then lancer saw Speed declare that Trever was silenced.

As of now, I haven't voted for lancer, and I haven't declared that he is even likely mafia. I'm just throwing my ideas out there.

Perhaps my ideas so far have been a little unorthodox, but I think they make sense. I mean, Majora, even when you're not busy, you don't read everything carefully sometimes. What's to say that when lancer is busy, he reads everything very carefully?

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Yeano

Perhaps my ideas so far have been a little unorthodox, but I think they make sense. I mean, Majora, even when you're not busy, you don't read everything carefully sometimes. What's to say that when lancer is busy, he reads everything very carefully?


There's a difference between misreading something and not being aware of what your team is doing (or what anyone in the game is doing, for that matter.) To me it seems like white lancer simply got two names mixed up. You claimed that he was thrown off by reading one of Jo Nathan's posts, yet there were many other posts last round mentioning Feral as the most likely silencer target (and even some saying he HAD to be the silencer target,) not to mention Feral himself confirming it at the start of this round. Additionally:

Feral is also a good possibility as our silenced player--he's usually pretty active and I don't believe we've heard from him.

-white lancer, Day 1


He even mentioned Feral as a likely silencer target last round. With all of this, I find it impossible to believe he would be thrown off by one thing Jo Nathan said.

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MajorasMask9

Replace "Jo Nathan" with "Speed Bike Pro" in my post.

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MajorasMask9

_< Gosh I hate missing so much action.


Today I am out at a place with free WiFi, but just so you all known, my home WiFi is down until the 10th so it is very unlikely I will be posting a lot until then.

There's a lot going on here so I am going to make a few observations.

To address white lancer thinking I was silenced yesterday, no, I wasn't. I did post at least once on Day 1.

I do not think Roxas or #85 are Mafia. The evidence against #85 just isn't enough to convince me of his guilt, and there's no way a guilty Roxas would come out swinging out so hard this early and be willing to throw himself under the bus.

I hope to post more if people actually reply enough while I am online today.

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Trever Leingod

With all of this, I find it impossible to believe he would be thrown off by one thing Jo Nathan[sic] said.


I'm glad you find it impossible, but I find it possible, even if it may not be altogether likely.

And as I said, I'm just putting ideas out there. I wonder what Redack has to say about this.

Also, I had considered that idea too, Speed. It is entirely possible that Feral is mafia. If this is the case, then the mafia likely has a good player and probably an experienced player. But just speaking statistically, that would be pretty obvious.

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Yeano

To be honest, the only reason I suggest for the Cop to wait was so we get as many verdicts as we can within reason. Of course I'm not saying the Cop should wait until he's investigated everyone, but in a game this big, just three verdicts seems far too few, especially if all of them are innocent.

That said, Roxas still holds my suspicion at this point, but not enough to warrant a lynch vote. Will have to see what happens as the round progresses.

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Black Yoshi

Something the cop should keep in mind is that until their identity is known, the mafia will be taking random shots in the night rounds. It would be best if the cop revealed earlier rather than later, because if cop gets shot before they can reveal their information, everything they did is useless.

When the cop reveals, the mafia will still need to take random shots to kill the doctor, because the Doctor should be protecting the cop. What this means is we'll get a steady flow of information until the mafia randomly kills the Doctor, after which the cop will die.

The idea here being that regardless of whether or not the cop reveals, the mafia will need to randomly kill people to find the doctor. Unless the mafia knows who the cop is, there is a chance that the cop will die, which is just as good as them finding the Doctor, meaning it would be in the town's best interest to have the cop known early (see: Roxas's strategy in past mafia games as tbe cop.)

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MajorasMask9

Also, I had considered that idea too, Speed. It is entirely possible that Feral is mafia. If this is the case, then the mafia likely has a good player and probably an experienced player. But just speaking statistically, that would be pretty obvious.

Yeano


Well, allow me to expand on my thoughts a bit.

Relatively speaking, I am still an inexperienced player in the sense that this is only my third game which means I haven't been exposed to the playstyles of everyone as much as most everyone else so I don't have much to go on when forming thoughts on people or decisions that occur within the game. And really, I've already forgotten basically everything about game 16 apart from the fact that I survived and won. Game 17.2 is still fresh on my memory, however.

With that in mind, it makes absolutely no sense for the mafia to silence Feral day one if he were town-based. I know the mistake he made last game will likely never happen again (literally telling someone his power role because they asked nicely) but the fact that that happened shows that Feral might have a propensity for saying things detrimental to his own team. If I were the mafia, I would want someone like Feral to speak as much as he wants because I would just eat it up like f*cking M&Ms. He died after one day in game 17.2 because someone in the mafia simply asked him for his role. Now in game 18, we are supposed to believe that the mafia silenced him? I don't think so.

Now that he isn't silenced anymore (fart noise), he conveniently has IRL reasons to step away from the game for quite some time. Again, I'm still relatively new to GTX0 mafia but I absolutely hate when this comes up with people: you have to walk a very fine line when considering their motives. People who use the "I have issues IRL so I can't speak much" cover solely for the purpose of an excuse to stay quiet ruin it for the people who legitimately have IRL issues and can't participate normally because of them. Because of that, I can't trust when anyone says they have issues IRL.

Just as a heads up, I am sorry if you actually have issues to take care of, Feral. And I'm sorry to everyone else who actually has issues. It's just that I find that excuse hard to believe due to others who lie about it.

As I was saying, Feral was supposedly silenced Day 1 and now he's gonna be gone for a week. In my eyes, that is just the mafia's means of keeping him quiet so he won't make a mistake similar to the one he made in 17.2.

He also said this:

Just so you won't freak out about losing a power role, I am just a plain townie.


Very interesting that he'd go so far as to role claim as well.

But that's all I have to say.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Well, I guess the points brought up by white lancer and MajorasMask9 are valid, and I can't see too many downsides to claiming now, despite a few, minor ones.

I am the Cop.

I won't reveal my investigation result at this time, but I will just put that out there.

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Yeano

Why not reveal results?

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Redack

Some of you guys have made some very interesting points.

I do know that Feral posted in another forum he was having some rl issues. Does that make him innocent? Not anymore then it makes him guilty.

What gives me as much concern as Feral and Roxas (who I think just made some statements because he was upset) is this.

Shadowwalked: As far as I can find he has poste wice. Both Bs post

Same thing for weid man. 2 BS post.

Count Dooku: Has not posted at all as of the time I'm posting this.

If any of these 3 are the Cop or the Doctor. We could be screwed.

And Redack is talking a little less than normal.

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chiefsonny
 



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MajorasMask9

Sorry Red, good to see you brother{:P}

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chiefsonny
 

Why the vote, Majora?

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Yeano

Why I think Yeano is mafia:

1)Cop claim with no results posted. Why do this? There is no reason, unless he's trying to prove a point, which is pointless.

2)white lancer incident from earlier. On its own I don't think it's that big of a deal, but added on to the rest of this, it kind of adds up.

3)If Yeano was the cop, I'm almost positive he would have investigated me first. While sharing the results with me would be a slight risk with the godfather around, it is in fact a very small risk, and given what he's said to me off-site, I find it very unlikely that he actually "investigated" me.

4)He claimed to me in private that the cop couldn't investigate on Night 0. While I can't entirely prove this, I'd like to ask White Thunder if the cop was able to use a night action on Night 0.

I have a fifth reason but I'm not entirely ready to use this just yet unless I really need to.

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MajorasMask9

How annoying. People ruining my plans over and over again.

First Zanic refuses to respond to my prodding.

Then Speed announces that Feral might be mafia. I wanted to keep this idea under wraps for a while, but it's out there now.

And last, Majora has announced that I said the Cop could not investigate on Night 0.

This last one, yes, is meant to prove a point, while perhaps weeding out mafia who may attempt to vote for me, seeing an opportune time. It is supposed to give proof to show I am who I say I am. After all, I very carefully chose to use the word "result" in all of its singular glory.

It seems some people may have missed the fact that White Thunder has already told us the cop couldn't investigate on Night 0 when he told us that the Silencer was the only one able to act on Night 0.

Notice also, that even if everyone was paying attention, the average person would have said "results" instead of "result" even with one check. See: Redack's response.

I have only been able to check one person.

Speed Bike Pro: Innocent

And, I will leave with a vote for someone I find suspicious.

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Yeano

Except until White Thunder replies I will assume the cop was able to investigate someone on Night 0, as they usually can. I'm surprised that you would assume otherwise and not point it out earlier.

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MajorasMask9

I'm surprised that you would assume otherwise and not point it out earlier.


Perhaps I didn't want to draw attention to myself being the cop.

Also, both my IM log and your memory don't seem to be working right now.

As soon as Day 1 started, we both briefly mentioned to each other about how the White Thunder implied that the cop couldn't check anyone on Night 0.

Of course, I can't back it up with anything more than hearsay, but it happened.

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Yeano

You did mention that, and I'm not denying it. The fact that I pointed it out to you should tell you that you weren't the only person to notice what White Thunder said, I'm sure other people did as well. Especially the mafia, because if the cop couldn't use an action, then the Hooker wouldn't have been able to either.

I do have another reason for suspecting you, but I don't want to say it until White Thunder gives an answer about whether or not the Cop was able to use a Night action.

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MajorasMask9

Let's get started folks

Only eligible night action last night was Silencer.

White Thunder, day 1.

It's pretty obvious Yeano is the cop. No janitor, doctor is still alive. No possible upside to fake claiming a Cop. If you two are faking this argument like before as some grand genius strategy, I will legitimately be annoyed.

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The Bandit

I'd still like clarification from White Thunder.

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MajorasMask9

Yes, fine. Like Redack, I don't understand why he role claimed but didn't reveal his results initially.

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The Bandit

Doesn't make much sense to me for things to be like that, but not my call. (:|)

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`Roxas`

The reason why I haven't been able to "respond to your prodding" Yeano, is because I've been fishing with some friends. We all have real life issues, and I'm somewhat surprised to hear someone complain about people using that as an excuse. I was under the impression that it was a valid excuse. :p

And I see no reason to go along with MM9 and vote for Yeano. There's no way the mafia could know who the cop is to silence him and roleclaim. If no one counter roleclaims against Yeano, then I see no reason for him to not be the cop.

And why Yeano chooses to vote for me, I have no clue. I can't try to put any dirt on him because I believe he is the cop, but I am perfectly able to defend myself if necessary.

Moving forward, I do believe that there is a possibility of Feral being mafia and faking silence on day 1. If I were mafia, I'd probably target, say: Lancer, MM9, or some other player of that calibur.

I'm not sure if it's like MM9 to be this aggressive in a game, because I don't remember too much about how people play. But that's something to look out for.

We still need to keep our eyes on some of the players playing more under the radar. Such as: Black Yoshi, Castrael, and Bubba(who still seems to act confused over certain roles even though he's played this a few times before.)

Just some observations.

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Zanic

This is all very interesting.

Why the vote for Zanic, Yeano?

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Speed Bike Pro
 

This blew up.

I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but Yeano's reveal pretty much guarantees the hooker will sleep with him tonight. Assuming he is telling the truth, we won't have a reveal tomorrow. Then the silencer could get him the next night, keeping a reveal secret again. (Silencer can't silence the same player twice in a row, correct? Role page does not clarify.) The mafia will have two nights to try and take down the doctor. Way too early for the reveal in my opinion. :/

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Bubba

...something else occurs to me: can the Doctor protect the same person twice in a row? If not, and if Yeano is the Cop, then his early reveal screwed us over.

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Black Yoshi

While I can't entirely prove this, I'd like to ask White Thunder if the cop was able to use a night action on Night 0.

Cop did NOT have an investigation on Night 0.

It seems some people may have missed the fact that White Thunder has already told us the cop couldn't investigate on Night 0 when he told us that the Silencer was the only one able to act on Night 0.

I'm glad somebody pays attention to me {:P}

I realized halfway through Day 1 that the Cop usually has an investigation Night 0... but yeah, I didn't want to give the Cop one.

Silencer can't silence the same player twice in a row, correct?

I think so? If not then I'm making it a rule for this game haha.

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White Thunder

can the Doctor protect the same person twice in a row?

Yes.

Round will end ~4 hours or so.

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White Thunder

Guys I'm the cop.

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Jo Nathan

...I wonder if I was the only one getting flashbacks to last game while reading through the Yeano-MM9 thing earlier. {:P} But despite me finding Yeano a little suspicious, I wouldn't vote for him now, not with a Cop claim and no counter-claim. I'm a little surprised MM9 is going for that because it doesn't seem like a good play. I do think there's a reason why Yeano (or another Mafia member) might falsely claim Cop early: they could flush out the real Cop with a counter-claim and keep the Hooker/Silencer on him/her as Bubba noted (good observation, that).

I want to make this absolutely clear: the Doctor must protect the Cop every night. With the Assassin in the game, the Mafia can just keep the pressure on Yeano without having to waste their nightkill. They don't have to choose between gambling on the Doctor not protecting the Cop or trying to hit the Doc because they can do both at once.

And yeah, the Silencer isn't allowed to silence the same person twice in a row. Because that would just be horrible.

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white lancer

...was that a serious claim, Jo?

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white lancer

No. However, I am worried of the possibility that Yeano's claim might be an attempt to bait the real cop into role-claiming early. With so many extra Mafiosos this time around, it wouldn't surprise me if they took a risk and try some elaborate trickery like this.

I guess I'll feel better when he's dead, preferably later in the game. I for one am really hoping Yeano's not the cop, because, as previously mentioned, the hooker would be screwing him.


.....out of investigation actions every other night.

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Jo Nathan

However, I am worried of the possibility that Yeano's claim might be an attempt to bait the real cop into role-claiming early.


I share this sentiment.

Whether or not Jo's post was serious is irrelevant. It just goes to show that anyone could claim the cop role and as such, Yeano's claim doesn't hold much water with me.

But I suppose we'll see.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Roughly two hours left in the round.

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`Roxas`

I guess I'll feel better when he's dead, preferably later in the game. I for one am really hoping Yeano's not the cop, because, as previously mentioned, the hooker would be screwing him.

True, but of course, if Yeano's not the Cop our real Cop will be out there unprotected. And they still might survive longer than Yeano, because the Mafia will want to keep the Assassin on him while they fish around for the Doctor.

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white lancer

However, I am worried of the possibility that Yeano's claim might be an attempt to bait the real cop into role-claiming early.


Oh, please. I would never risk myself like that. If I were a member of the Mafia, I would consider myself too valuable to the Mafia to risk myself like that.

If I were to try to pull a stunt like this, I would use either
1) a really poor player (if the mafia has one) or
2) a mafia member who is about to die.

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Yeano

hhhhhhhhh

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MajorasMask9



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MajorasMask9

I think it's more likely that Yeano is trying to get the assassin to use his power on Yeano, revealing the assassin's identity when it turns out Yeano was faking it. Him attempting to draw out he real cop would just confuse the doctors in my opinion.

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Bubba

Regardless of the Yeano situation, we still should lynch someone and the round's almost up... Anyone have anything to say real quickly?

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Speed Bike Pro
 

If I were a member of the Mafia, I would consider myself too valuable to the Mafia to risk myself like that.


Heh, I could believe that, actually.

Anyone have anything to say real quickly?


Yes. What was that all about just now, Majora?

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Jo Nathan

And by "just now" I obviously mean 15-20 minutes ago. {:P}

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Jo Nathan

The leading vote-getter at the moment is #85 with just 2... If I get a couple people in my camp, I'd like to lynch Feral tonight.

I don't have much factual evidence to go on here but I already made my point above. I have a strong hunch that he is mafia-sided. Besides, if he's just a townie who will be busy for a while, we wouldn't lose much if he were to die. I know that's not a good thing to say, necessarily, but... Yeah. That's where I stand.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

As it stands, #85 is on the chopping block with two votes, Zanic and Bubba have one vote a piece, and five people are abstaining from voting (at the present moment).

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`Roxas`

Well I gotta catch my flight in a few minutes so my vote probably won't change. Although I am considering switching my vote to Feral...

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Jo Nathan

If you need any encouragement:

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Speed Bike Pro
 

Meh. If I had more time to think and review stuff and I weren't buzzed, I might feel more comfortable making a judgement call on whether to change my vote.

Also, only two-fifths of the living players have cast a vote over the course of the entire round, and only one-fifth are currently voting. -_-

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Jo Nathan



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Apollo Justice

Round will end at 1:30 AM EDT.

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White Thunder

Gotta go. I'll leave my vote where it is, and whatever happens happens. Good luck townies!

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Jo Nathan

Here's my vote.

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Castrael

Lancer is really raising my suspicions. While each of his posts are pretty meaty in size, none of them are really contributing anything new. He's mostly repeating what other players have said.

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The Bandit

HURRR

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The Bandit

In his own words probably.

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Castrael

To get some sort of information and prevent any chance of a tie occurring.

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`Roxas`

With a very last minute decision, the town desperately prayed that Feral was guilty. They showed up to lynch him, but he was nowhere to be found. Long story short they found him bloodied about a quarter mile outside of town and decided to just let him die instead. The muzzle in his pocket made it clear that he was the Silencer.

1. white lancer
2. Speed Bike Pro
3. Hindenburg
4. Kyon
5. Roxas
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9
8. Apollo Justice
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack
11. Castrael
12. Feral- Silencer
13. Black Yoshi
14. weid man
15. Trever Leingod
16. igga
17. The Bandit
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano
20. Zanic
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku
24. hezekiah
25. Llight- Apprentice
26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
27. Shadowwalked

Town-Mafia ratio: 17-7

Town roles: Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, Governor, Double-Voter, Lazarus, Townie x11

Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Hooker, Mafioso x4

24 hours or until all night actions are in.

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White Thunder

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