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night 2 the only time a townie can cry is when its all over

Posted December 15, 2013 by Apollo Justice

Dookville's holiday bells rang the next morning, signaling for everyone to rise. But before everyone got together at the Town Square, the Chef tacked something to the bulletin board and promptly ran off. It was unusual for anyone to tack something there unless it was of emergency importance, so when the town finally gathered, they read the bulletin.

GUILTY

Players:

1. Pirate_Ninja
2. Jo Nathan
3. Yeano
4. Speed Bike Pro
5. `Roxas`
6. Helius
7. weid man
8. Castrael
9. MajorasMask9
10. white lancer
11. Xhin
12. The Bandit
13. chiefsonny
14. Zanic
15. Hindenburg - Marksman
16. hezekiah
17. Bubba
18. Kyon
19. Lady Flare - Virgin

Ratio: 11-4-2

Roles:
Godfather, Hooker, Interceptor, Mafioso
Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x4
Journalist, Prosecutor

12 votes for the same option or 72 hours to end the round.

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The Public Investigator should tell The Bandit who he checked last night, instead of revealing himself publicly.

December 15, 2013
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hezekiah

Yeah I agree.

inb4 town is OP

December 15, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Sigh...

I just tried to make things more interesting by GTX0 Notifying The Bandit the name "`Roxas`." Hopefully he is not yet in contact with the real PI yet :).

December 15, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Ok just kidding I chickened out and deleted it :). I think it's too likely he's already in contact with the real PI and don't think I'd be willing to risk trying it.

December 15, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I agree too. We're lucky to have the Journalist alive though. Having the Journalist alive is a bit odd, but no complaints here.

December 15, 2013
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Castrael

Cas, Bandit wasn't killed because of the Virgin's death yesterday. That meant there would be no kills last night. Plus, he has a Bulletproof Vest.

December 15, 2013
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hezekiah

Sorry for my continued silence. This has been the busiest week I have had in ages, culminating with the first snow shoveling of the season.

December 15, 2013
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Feral

sigh

if that verdict is for Speed, then if I were the Guard I'd 100% go after weid today :\

December 15, 2013
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Pirate_Ninja

Oh okay. That makes sense. Thanks, Hez.

December 15, 2013
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Castrael

That meant there would be no kills last night.


Strange(shifty)

December 15, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Lucky you, Feral. We've had snow since October.

Things are looking up for the Town. The PI got a guuilty verdict last night.

December 15, 2013
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Lady Flare

I really don't understand chiefsonny's overt suspicion here. I tend to agree with The Bandit that there's absolutely no benefit for him to lie.

Also, I hezekiah said that the Public Investigator should message The Bandit individually, but I think the Public Investigator might as well come.... public. {;)}

I mean, why not? The Public Investigator isn't necessary to win if we follow The Bandit's plan. Also, while it is possible that the Investigator found the Mafioso, it is also possible that he/she found the Hooker or the Interceptor. If either of them have been caught, I would say getting rid of them right away would be incredibly beneficial.

Maybe I'm not thinking clearly. I haven't been able to think clearly recently. I dunno. But I don't see it as too much of a downside for the Public Investigator to reveal at this point.

But maybe I am crazy.

December 15, 2013
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Yeano

I'm definitely wanting to know the person the PI targeted. I'm just saying we should route it through someone trustworthy (like The Bandit) so that we don't reveal the PI's identity unnecessarily. There's no reason for us not to lynch whoever it is the PI investigated.

December 15, 2013
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hezekiah

Well, this isn't looking good. The ball just hasn't bounced our way, especially with the Marksman dying immediately and the Guard not getting revealed.

I'm about to go out for a bit but I'll add more later, especially since I feel I am not meant to be in this world much longer.

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Speed Bike Pro
 

That's OK. I do have a question though, though not specifically about the game but a GT feature. So I don't know if you can even help me, but I'd rather ask here than in the thread.

I did get a notification, but all it reads is:

  • -- MajorasMask9

    This is a blank message from Majora right? It's not the Investigator anonymously telling me that he checked Majora? I deleted my other notifications so I can't compare them to this one and I can't remember what they looked liked, but I'm pretty sure the italicized name means that Majora sent it...

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    The Bandit

    It's so strange when roles work out the way the main thread describes them as working.

    Haven't received anything yet. Will update when I do.

    By the way, no strangeness here, but I did get Hookered last night. The Town Drunk can rule out that his pick was the Hooker. Which isn't much at all, but it's something.

    December 15, 2013
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    The Bandit

    The * is like a bulletin point, by the way, not an asterisk. idk im confused :(

    Anyways, I COULD hold the town hostage until tomorrow and not reveal the Investigator results until my report, granting me a free point. I'm not sure how viable of a plan that is, but I'm definitely considering it.

    December 15, 2013
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    The Bandit

    For the PI to come public, I mean that's a risk, right? I'm with everyone. If they can just PM the Bandit with who they targeted, that would be great

    December 15, 2013
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    Castrael

    PI that is. I'm on my phone atm.

    December 15, 2013
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    Castrael

    Cas: that's exactly what I've been saying. Glad we're on the same page :-P

    Bandit: according to the Night Action Priority, I don't think that's even possible; the Hooker acts before the Town Drunk.

    December 15, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I think that means you were sent a notification and then the person who sent it deleted it (Majora in this case). I can test it on you, if you'd like.

    And that would certainly be interesting to watch. {:P}

    December 15, 2013
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    Apollo Justice



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    Apollo Justice

    Yeah, I guess that would be better. I was just thinking that perhaps someone might false claim PI, in which case it would be more difficult for The Bandit to know what to do.

    If two people claimed PI to The Bandit himself, I'm guessing it would be more difficult to determine which one was real, but if they came public, I think there would be less of a chance that someone false claims, after all, their lynch (or shooting) would be very soon.

    But yeah, the chances of a false claim are probably low anyway. It is probably safer for PI to PM The Bandit.

    December 15, 2013
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    Yeano

    Majora approached me claiming to be the Prosecutor.

    He didn't tell me his target.

    I don't know whether or not to trust him, but it sounds like he is unwilling to cooperate with The Bandit's plan.

    December 15, 2013
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    Yeano

    Yeah, that's what happened. Thanks.

    December 15, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Cas: that's exactly what I've been saying. Glad we're on the same page :-P


    I'm doing something right for a change. :P

    Can the Journalist check to see if the PI is actually the PI?

    December 15, 2013
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    Castrael

    Can the Journalist check to see if the PI is actually the PI?


    The Journalist sees who visits or leaves a person's house at night. Bandit could check the PI and he'll see them leave, but that could also mean they are a Sleepwalker, Doctor, Town Drunk, Hooker, or Interceptor. So no, the Journalist can't really confirm roles.

    If there's an issue of whether or not the PI should reveal, I think they are better off remaining anonymous and giving their results to Bandit privately. Unless, of course, we are to do the mass roleclaim plan, in which case it benefits the PI to be the first to claim his/her role.

    Regardless, it seems as if it's time for someone to DIE so I don't care how we get the name, I just want to know who to kill.

    December 15, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    huh, interesting. I was thinking it'd be funny if the Prosecutor were to contact Bandit first, claim PI, and say their target was the guilty verdict in an effort to sneak in a quick prosecution victory (hehe)

    Majora's public response to Bandit's plan was basically the same as mine (which I very much meant), just in more detail - that it'd likely be a great move for the town if you got people to go along with it. He also made mention of how the Prosecutor might not be inclined to play along, though. It's a valid observation in general and could certainly be setup for faking that claim in private, but it does seem to be something to think about.

    December 15, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Ah, okay, thanks Speed.

    December 15, 2013
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    Castrael

    I think I've decided on a plan, but it's a little risky.

    I wait for the Investigator to give me his pick. I then contact that pick, give up the Investigator to them, then ask for a non mafia member's name that I can accuse in the main thread. I claim that I got two results, and this one seemed to be the most logical to me. Or I just pretend that's my only pick at all. The problem is, if the PI has been in contact with others, they might know who he is and I get into serious trouble. I really can't afford to piss off the town.

    Not sure if it's best to claim I got two results or not. There really isn't much logic in the mafia trying to fake the Investigator, especially since I've publicly declared I've given my allegiance to the town. If I don't claim this however, the real Investigator might publicly reveal after I accuse someone else, say I'm full of shit, and the town might turn against me.

    If it works out, I get the point tomorrow, the town loses its Investigator, and the game is extended at least an extra round than it would have been.

    Again, though, I can't afford to piss off the town. They could have such a commanding lead that they might waste a day round just to get rid of me. So, I guess claiming two roles is the safest bet if I go through with this. At least then they won't realize I deliberately deceived them.

    December 15, 2013
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    The Bandit

    There's also the deleted Majora notification which I haven't figured out yet. I wish there were time stamps on the things. If I got the notification after the round started, then it's very likely he's a mafia member faking an Investigator claim who chickened out.

    December 15, 2013
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    The Bandit

    The danger about him claiming PI to The Bandit is the Guard. The Guard might choose to just shoot whoever the PI says is guilty, which would ruin the Prosecutor's chances to lynch his target.

    December 15, 2013
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    Yeano

    What am I supposed to do now? Everyone wants me to PM The Bandit, but I can't PM. I don't have any PM apps or whatever and I don't even have his contact information...{:?}

    December 16, 2013
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    Zanic

    Who is Banquo then? Duncan is whoever fits to be the Guard. And who is Malcom? Born from his mother's womb.

    Who are the witches?

    Who is MacBeth?

    Who are the rest of the characters in the novel?

    Let's make this game of MacBethia!

    December 16, 2013
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    weid man

    I think they're referring to the GTX0 Notification system. {:P}

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    New England always has a very varied and unique weather pattern. It can be 15 degrees and sunny one day and 50 and pouring rain the next. We have major ice issues at the moment.

    December 16, 2013
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    Feral

    Damn, that's a plan I'd be proud to come up with. {:P}

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Speed's guilty. Checked him last night.

    December 16, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    My my, Roxas, is that a Snickers bar in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

    So are you mafia or am I your Prosecutor target? The latter is the only reason I am not yet voting for you.

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Majora just sent me a notification saying Roxas was guilty. It definitely came after Roxas' claim, so it's a bit suspicious to me. The fact that it's Roxas specifically is just super sketchy. The thing is, I buy what Roxas is saying even less. Roxas is 100% not opposed to OOG, so why not just send me a notification if he's really the Investigator? There's no way he doubts that I'm the Journalist, he's too smart for that. And I just don't believe that Speed is mafia at this point.

    Possible they're both mafia? Or Roxas is Prosecutor in league with the mafia? Going to wait more and see if I actually get a third Investigator claim. Lots of people still haven't posted.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Inactivity is the devil in Mafia. {:/}

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Roxas, if you're really the Public Investigator, why didn't you send your results to The Bandit through notification?

    December 16, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    It was also a "I told you Roxas was guilty already" claim, which means that if he's lying it required a lot of forethought on his part. Which I do not put past him at all, to be honest. It's actually incredibly smart, and lets him claim the first person who comes forward. THAT is really suspicious, but it could have been a simple mistake on his part as well.

    Roxas, on the other hand, makes no sense at all. No matter his role, coming to me first makes more sense. Why just expose himself like that?

    At least one of these guys is trying to play me, but they don't realize that I want to be played. I want the mafia to win this round. But I honestly don't know which is which. :( My read from last round was Roxas was mafia and Majora was inoocent, so maybe I should just stick with that. Especially since, while Majora might be capable of a move like that, a simple mistake on his part is incredibly more likely.

    I could just be honest and let the town decide. Tell them everything I know and leave it to fate.

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    The Bandit

    Now that my name is out there, Majora has also reached out to me claiming Prosecutor and that his target is Roxas. And hey, that's the guy who wants to kill me. So I think we've got a bit of a mutual enemy here. At this point, I see no reason not to believe him so it would be in our best interests to involve him in our strategizing.

    Just in case the Guard gets trigger happy and pops me before I can blink, I'll leave a to-do list for weidsitting:

    1) Let weid man out once at 8 am and once at 5 pm for potty breaks. He will come right back inside after doing his business.

    2) Make sure he posts at least twice (2 times) per day round. We want to give the impression that he is active and consistently reading the game threads. However, he is not exactly the most vocal player so you don't want to overdo it.

    3) His favorite toy is the stuffed penguin. If you leave him alone with it, he can entertain himself for hours just by taking pictures of it posed in different ways.

    4) Be extremely cautious of what he says. A lot of the time, I allow him to freestyle: this is preferable. The more like himself he seems, the better. Ask him to show you what he has before he posts. If it can be deemed acceptable, be sure to add a gold star sticker next to his name on the kitchen refrigerator.

    5) If he votes, make sure it is only after several people have also voted for the same option. It would be suspicious if he were one of the first to take the lead against someone. It's much more believable if he just jumps on a bandwagon after seeing lots of other votes because there isn't much thought required there.

    6) Don't feed him anything after midnight.

    I'll add more if I can think of it but as long as you stick to these guidelines, weid man should be A-OK. It'll ease my troubled mind much more knowing that he'll be nowhere near the radar.

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    No no no no I'VE GOT THE ANSWER.

    Wait until tomorrow for a third claim, and whether I get one or not, accuse someone. Explain about the notification, but leave out that Majora sent it. That would definitely make it most likely that my third made up claim is mafia for the town, imo. During the night message Roxas about Majora. If Roxas is mafia, Majora will die during the night. If Roxas is the Prosecutor, he won't care. If he's actually the Investigator, the mafia will likely kill him anyway. Assuming our Doctor doesn't come around.

    If Majora comes forward after I make my fake Investigator story, then I think it's very likely that he is the real Investigator. This should cause enough chaos that I and the mafia win this round no matter what really happens.

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    The Bandit

    Eh there is one maybe flaw. Does the Prosecutor show up as guilty or innocent to the PI check?

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    We're going to try to lynch Roxas today but in the event that he survives, do not go after him tonight. As a team, we've been put into a huge hole already and need to capitalize on all of the kills at our disposal. That means we need to get as many Interceptor kills as possible. Roxas' claim might draw Bandit's attention and we don't need him causing any more trouble than he already has.

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    ROXAS JUST FALSE CLAIMED PLEASE TELL ME WHEN YOU GET THIS HOLY SHIT

    -Majora

    Starting to believe him a bit more. If he was mafia, I don't think he would have sent this.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Eh there is one maybe flaw. Does the Prosecutor show up as guilty or innocent to the PI check?


    Prosecutor shows up as Innocent on the PI check.

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    OK, that's really good for me, but wtf is Roxas doing. I'm so confused right now.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I find it funny that people have come to you OOG despite you making it very clear in past games that you're disinterested in pursuing it. {:P}

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    And as for who I think are power roles:

    Nothing-more-than-educated-guesses-and-hunches Tier
    Helius
    Zanic
    Xhin
    Bubba

    Less-confident-but-wouldn't-be-surprised Tier
    Roxas
    white lancer
    hezekiah
    Jo Nathan

    Probably-townies-or-sleepwalkers Tier
    Castrael
    chiefsonny
    Kyon

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    given the presence of the Doctor, I think there's a good chance trying to nightkill the PI immediately could fail anyway. The Distracted attribute makes it a bit of a toss-up (a bold physician might wait until Night 3 to protect him in anticipation of what I just said), but we'll see. Hopefully we can drop two tonight without being spotted - the quicker we can make up some of this ugly deficit, the better.

    a+ weidcare tips btw

    December 16, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Now you do what they told ya

    December 16, 2013
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    weid man

    The power role knows when they get stupified by the Drunk or Hookered, right?

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    We're in a good situation. No reason for anyone not to reveal to Bandit their Pi results. If no one comes forth, we know Roxas is lying.

    If two people claimed PI to The Bandit himself, I'm guessing it would be more difficult to determine which one was real, but if they came public, I think there would be less of a chance that someone false claims, after all, their lynch (or shooting) would be very soon.

    No possible way a Townie false claim to a confirmed Journalist that claims to be working for the Town. If he does receive two confirmations then we have a 50/50 shot at a mafia kill. Though Roxas may have just shot this whole idea if he is the PI.

    December 16, 2013
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    Bubba

    They know they were role blocked, but not by which one (Hooker or Drunk).

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    To kill Speed or not to kill Speed... That is the question...

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    Let's kill Speed.

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    Well let's see here........

    1-50 not revealed, 51 to 100 you are...

    December 16, 2013
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    Shadowwalked

    A gunshot echoes through the town. Where it came from...no one knows, but the target was obvious. Speed Bike Pro lets out a labored gasp, his tight fitting shirt and even tighter pants growing soaked with his own blood. Even in the throws of death, he sticks to his trade.

    'Well boys...it was fun...I just wish I had more time to spend with you all....I'll be at the cemetery tonight. Please feel free to tip well~'

    Speed Bike Pro the Hooker has fallen.



    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas`
    6. Helius
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 11-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x4
    Journalist, Prosecutor

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    Shadowwalked

    Confirmed Mafia:

    Speed & Hindy

    At this point, I would think that they would want to be the first to role claim because it buys them more time. I wouldn't confirm `Roxas` or Bandit for that fact because they still might be mafioso; however, I'd imagine that if `Roxas` is who he claims to be... the Doctor will save him as Bandit is bulletproof which will allow us one more round of investigation (provided the doctor isn't Xhin). Bandit will also be able to check houses, and that will help as well.

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    Welcomeee Speedy~

    December 16, 2013
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    Shadowwalked

    And for clarity sake... I could have killed either Roxas or Speed.

    Roxas (if PI) would be a mistake... Speed would be confirmed Mafia.

    If I killed Speed, and he was innocent, my next kill would be Roxas.

    So I went with the one that had the least damage town wise... Speed. Of course, the odds were in favor of hitting a town member; however, it worked out.

    What really struck out with Speed was the fact that he didn't claim he wasn't Mafia. He immediately accused `Roxas` of being mafia and Prosecutor. That was suspicious where Roxas just went out and accused.

    Hindy went on the immediate war path which resulted in me killing him. Roxas did as well, but he's still technically in my sights.

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    Ha ha.... Ha ha ha ha.........

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Man! That Guard got his/her shit together.{:D}

    Good job Guard.{y}

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    chiefsonny
     



    Time to do some damage control. I'm the Prosecutor. I already falseclaimed Private Investigator to The Bandit but it's all pointless now. My target was you, Noxious.





    I knew I had to get you lynched from the start, but I didn't know what a cruel twist would end up taking place. Our impulsive guard didn't just steal a life with his bullets... he shot down my hopes.

    But I'll give you this, you've got a sharp sense about you. Putting the Marksman to rest and the Hooker; who would have thought? And you're still shrouded in the darkness of anonymity. You've earned my praise.

    I have no ill will toward either side. I've come to terms with the fact that my target won't be lynched. I'm embracing my future role as the Survivor. But can I really be the Survivor? Because I too, died along with Speed Bike Pro, in a way.

    You'd do well to remember this, `Roxas`.

    The only time a lawyer can cry is when it's all over.



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    MajorasMask9

    A gunshot echoes through the town. Where it came from...no one knows
    this

    game

    everything

    I

    just

    fucking

    don't

    even

    hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


    Man! That Guard got his/her shit together. {;)}

    Good job Guard. {y}
    for shooting someone who had a guilty verdict

    really

    December 16, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas` - Private Investigator
    6. Helius
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael - Sleepwalker
    9. MajorasMask9 – Prosecutor/Survivor?
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin
    12. The Bandit - Journalist
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare – Virgin

    That's what I have so far... Bandit, since MM9 has already confirmed that he false role-claimed. Has anyone else contacted you that might help narrow down our list of suspects for Mafia?

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    I'M GONNA OFFICIALLY HOOKER THE BANDIT BABY THAT'S RIGHT BABY C'MERE AND LICK THIS PEANUT BUTTER OFF MY BUTT HOPE YOU LIKE GONORRHEA


    - Speed Bike Pro, Night 1

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Little did I know... Little did I know that it was actually the Guard who wanted my peanut butter booty...

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I'm... sorry... (cry)

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    If the target is Night-Killed, then the Prosecutor becomes a survivor.

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    Castrael

    Im starting to wonder if Majora is false claiming again because he would never role claim. I think the PI should investigate him.

    December 16, 2013
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    Castrael

    I have received no other notifications, but this is what happened:

    Before I first posted yesterday, I got a blank notification from Majora. Rather than mentioning it in the thread, I lied and said I had received no notifications and waited to see if I would get anything else. No one came forward. Then, Roxas claimed in the thread, and very closely afterward Majora sends me another notification saying that Roxas was his target, and demanding to know why I lied.

    I didn't believe either one. I didn't understand why Roxas would choose not to contact me (something he still has not explained) and the way Majora handled his notifications struck me as a clever set up. Send a blank one, wait for another reveal, then claim that that person is the person you checked. It still all way to convenient for me, but the fact that Speed is actually guilty lessens the probability somewhat that Roxas is the Prosecutor.

    Still, I would not at all be against the PI checking Majora tonight.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Fuck the Guard man. FUCK HIM

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Actually really good I guess, because I totally forgot about him and he could have really screwed over my plans by killing someone. Still I'm sad :(

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    For what it's worth, The Bandit, I did actually send you a notification saying that I was the PI and investigated Roxas, and that he was guilty. But ten minutes later I regretted it and erased it, hence the blank notification.

    After Roxas claimed I tried to play it off as some sort of notification glitch but then the guard stepped up :)...

    December 16, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    At this point with only 3 mafia left, I think a public role reveal might be the best option.

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    It's okay.. It'll all be okay... (fedup)

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    @Castrael: I've roleclaimed in the past, several times.

    Besides, with the mafia's numbers as they are, it's hard to believe that they'd falseclaim this late in the game. If I was mafia, and the real prosecutor is out there, I just put a huge target on my back.

    But my target is basically a confirmed innocent now, in my eyes anyway. So I have nothing to really lose by admitting my role.

    December 16, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    The reason being is because everyone will have to claim something... don't claim something, you get the vote. We have enough numbers on the town side to mitigate any loss, and at this point... I think its an easy win.

    11 - 3 - 2

    We find someone who double claims... kill one of them off.

    11 or 10 - 3 or 2 - 2 or 1 -- Day 2
    10 or 9 - 3 or 2 - 2 or 1 -- Night 2
    9 or 8 - 2 or 1 - 2 or 1 -- Day 3
    8 or 7 - 2 or 1 - 2 or 1 -- Night 3
    7 or 6 - 1 or 0 - 2 or 1 -- Day 4

    I think that works out? I just worked it out quickly

    December 16, 2013
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    Helius

    All right, I really didn't want to spill the beans here..... but I'm the Townie.

    December 16, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I had similar notifications like the one Majora had given The Bandit. This time, it was from Hezekiah and he turned out to be a Traitor, that one time.

    What strikes me as odd is is that Majora isn't helping the town, giving lengthy posts and all he has done (imo) is manipulated the town into thinking he's something else. Defending himself, more like.

    Then again, this is just my theory and my opinion. I haven't really fully thought it out yet.

    We also haven't heard from weid man, pirate ninja, white lancer, Nathan, Kyon, and I believe that's it?

    December 16, 2013
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    Castrael

    And everyone posts before me. :/ scratch my last reply haha.

    December 16, 2013
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    Castrael

    @Helius: That would probably go a little faster thanks to the Guard.

    December 16, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    hi speed

    December 16, 2013
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    At this point with only 3 mafia left, I think a public role reveal might be the best option.


    The problem with this as I see it, is our Guard is on a roll. Do we want to put a target on his back?

    I guess we could ask the Doctor to protect him and hope the Doc is not a inactive player.

    December 16, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    If we are forced to role claim, I will be claiming Sleepwalker. I advise that PN and weid claim Townie.

    The reason for this is because of The Bandit. As the interceptor, I will definitely be moving around, so if The Bandit sees me moving around and I have claimed Sleepwalker, all the better.

    PN should always be the first vote for the night kill, as Apollo confirmed that only the first vote for the Night Kill would go out, and furthermore, the Godfather would not be spotted by the Journalist. As such, PN and weid would, more or less, never be spotted by The Bandit as moving, so it adds more credibility to the Townie claim.

    December 16, 2013
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    Yeano

    The Doctor probably doesn't know who the Guard is, though. At any rate, the Doctor will probably be protecting Roxas.

    December 16, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I was going to ask you, Speed, if you and Bandit had a good time last night. But, as I first thought, I really didn't want to know.

    December 16, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    KILLING IN THE NAME OF

    KILLING IN THE NAME OF



    SOME OF THOSE WHO WORK FORCES

    ARE THE SAME THAT BURN CROSSES

    UGH


    THOSE WHO DIED

    ARE JUSTIFIED

    FOR WEARING THE BADGE

    THEY'RE THE CHOSEN WHITES




    YOU JUSTIFY

    THOSE WHO DIED

    FOR WEARING THE BADGE

    THEY'RE THE CHOSEN WHITES



    AND NOW YOU DO WHAT THEY TOLDA YA

    NOW YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH



    WHO SHOULD I KILL NEXT?

    December 16, 2013
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    weid man

    If we do a role reveal, I really doubt the mafia is going to target the Guard over the other power roles, even with his success. And, even if they do, there's no way we need him at this point to win the game. : /

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Let's roleplay the song Killing in the Name by Rage Against the Machine.


    And now you do what they told ya

    December 16, 2013
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    weid man

    This is working out perfectly for me. I've now got Roxas as a shield, even though I don't know who he really is. But I have no clue how to work the notification system and the person that I checked was killed. I'm pretty happy right now.

    December 16, 2013
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    Zanic

    Bandit and I never have good nights together. It is the nature of our relationship. {:(}

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    This guard is on fire. It kind of screwed up our plans though because Roxas revealed when told not to. We're just lucky that he was telling the truth.

    With the guard using his power like this, I don't see anyone that we could possibly lynch because SBP was on my list too for his random posts yesterday.

    December 16, 2013
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    Zanic

    Okay, I've thought about it for a while, and I don't really see any doubts with The Bandit's plan (especially now that we've already gotten rid of 2 mafia!).

    I would like to reveal that I am a Sleepwalker.

    December 16, 2013
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    Yeano

    I have no plans for this round, really. With such a huge lead, it's definitely not in the Town's best interest to do a role reveal anymore. So I want that to happen. I have no idea if it will go through, however.

    Tomorrow, I guess I will simply claim I saw someone enter the night kill's room. That should be more than enough to grant me a lynch on that target and at least one point. It definitely has risks, but I don't know. It seems like a decent enough plan. It might also open up the mafia to contacting me, and I may be able to convince them to hold off on Hookering me. It will inevitably piss off the Town, which I said I didn't want, but I don't see much of a choice. I really need to slow them down. If I get legitimate info later on, I could show it to the Town. They may ignore me at first, but they will certainly eventually use it.

    As far as who's who... I have no idea. It was only Day1, so being wrong about my reads wouldn't normally bother me that much, but I was completely wrong on two separate people that I felt about 90% confident of. : /

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Oh, wait. Speed was the Hooker. Duh.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    same thing I had in mind, Yeano. You're most likely to be spotted on the move, so it seems like a logical split to make.

    December 16, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Xhin, exhausted from all the work he's had to do, collapsed. Zanic ran over, putting his head over Xhin's heart, while feeling for a pulse in Xhin's wrist. "H-He... He's dead. I.. I don't know what happened... There was no gunfire or anything..."

    Zanic left Xhin's corpse to lie as inactive as when he was living. Xhin was a Townie.

    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas`
    6. Helius
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin - Townie
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 10-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x3
    Journalist, Prosecutor

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Yeah, that certainly was a nice coincidence. {:P}

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    It's kind of funny that we're on Day2 with no night kills and four people are dead.

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    It's kind of funny that we're on Day2 with no night kills and four people are dead.


    Hmmm. I wonder why there haven't been any night kills? It's on the tip of my tongue but I just can't for the life of me figure out why the Mafia would take the night off and not kill anyone.

    The guard is having an amazing game. Good job.

    December 16, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    Before we get all secure in our numbers, need I remind everyone that in Game 17 the ratio was 15-6 and Apollo and JN kicked our ass.

    December 16, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    It hurts so much reading elaborate thoughts and plans and not being able to comment on them (cry)(cry)

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN STOP POSTING THEM I <b3 READING THEM

    December 16, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    ...That's a starting ratio. You can't compare that...

    December 16, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Very unlucky draw for the mafia with the Guard not being revealed after two kills but I expect the role to fall off now that the PI should have a harder time confirming guilty people.

    December 16, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    The Guard is playing a really good game. Too pooped for further analysis, but the town seems to be doing really well for itself. A puzzle this is no longer to be solved, I think I'll just watch casually...

    Xhin should make it so that when roles or certain words are mentioned, they go their correct color. That would be pretty nice looking, but for the most part useless.

    December 17, 2013
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    LLight

    Kudos to the Guard, again! Somebody, buy that person a round a drinks or twenty!

    Oh how I wish I was the PI. I was just throwing a bluff and hoping it worked in the end (which it did, just not in the way I had hoped).

    I'm just a Townie.

    December 17, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    I DON'T BELIEVE YOU ANYMORE

    DIE ROXAS

    December 17, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    C'est la vie. (:$)

    December 17, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Today I'm having an Envy, from St Francis Brewing Company. It's not too bad.

    December 17, 2013
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    hezekiah

    That wouldn't work if a host decided to change what side a roll was on.

    Not saying the town is playing bad, but Dookuville must have built on a 4-leaf clover for the massive luck they are having.

    MVP tied between Bandit and whomever the Guard is.

    December 17, 2013
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    Feral

    I'm with Majora.

    <3DIE ROXAS. Thinking out loud: It did seem rather odd at first. I mean, I guess Roxas was trying to get the town to trust him :/

    December 17, 2013
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    Castrael

    Huh, why lynch Roxas at all? So he didn't follow the plan, that's not really a good idea anyway. What if he's just false claiming and is town sided? There doesn't seem to be a coordinated net with him in it this game anyways. Seems like a dumb move, imo.

    December 17, 2013
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    LLight

    Oh how I wish I was the PI. I was just throwing a bluff and hoping it worked in the end (which it did, just not in the way I had hoped).

    ...wha? I'm afraid I don't get it. Why falseclaim someone as guilty--what would you have to gain from that? Especially with the Guard in play--of course they're going to take the shot based on a PI claim!

    I mostly buy Majora's claim of Prosecutor...doesn't mean I'm not wary of him, though. After all, if it's true and he does become a Survivor, he could just as easily help the Mafia out. I'm not super worried about it at the moment because the ratio is very much in our favor, but if there's any doubt and we have some time, lynching a Survivor/Prosecutor isn't a terrible plan as it doesn't cost us anything (and we might get lucky and find out that he's lying/Mafia, as the real Prosecutor wouldn't want to counterclaim and reveal their identity).

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer

    IM SO CONFUSED WTF IS HAPPENING

    It doesn't really make sense that Roxas would claim then retract his claim if he is the PI. Like... Just don't claim in the first place if you don't want to be caught. It's possible he's a stooge for the real PI? But pretty unlikely that the real PI would find and trust Roxas by Day2.

    I think the most logical answer is that Roxas was the Prosecutor and that Majora is mafia... But, like... Who the hell is the real Investigator? Ugh. That can't be it either. This is SO STRANGE.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    It's obvious to me that Majora is just jumping on a chance to lynch his Prossy target and Castrael is tagging along because she doesn't understand what is going on.

    December 17, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I'd argue that if there was another prosecutor they'd roleclaim with no issues. The Prosecutor doesn't really lose much by claiming, especially if it's a counterclaim. When their role is confirmed it's just that--no one's going to really pay them any mind, the worst that could happen is that people won't take their lynch suggestions as seriously. But if they roleclaimed, they could, say, work with the mafia to get their target lynched. Ultimately, a prosecutor claim would help in three very big regards:

    -Contact with the informed minority
    -Guarantee that their target won't be nightkilled by the mafia
    -Guarantee that they won't be killed by the mafia

    But my target is Roxas and I assumed lynching him was a lot cause after the PI shenanigans. If I was mafia and pretending to be the Prosecutor, why would I out myself and pick someone like Roxas as a target, who I know won't be lynched?

    Also, while it's much smaller and kind of irrelevant, after Hindenburg was killed I started my reply with "Ha...!" which is a common phrase said by Prosecutor Godot in the Ace Attorney series. As evidence, while I have no way to directly prove this to someone who hasn't played the game, I submit this DeviantArt profile that was the top google search for "Godot Ha...!" http://godot.deviantart.com/

    December 17, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    What happens to the Prosecutor if the Guard kills their target? Same thing as a night kill?

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    No I get that, which is why I said it's a dumb move. You literally just attempt to lynch someone who confirmed a mafia kill and angled yourself against it, even if Roxas was mafia trying to throw you under the bus, the trick seems too complex for such an obvious game thus far with people playing out in the open. So far no shittells reveal anything that's out of the ordinary. Nothing against Majora, but if he's Prosecutor as he claims, then he's just playing his part. Could have put a little more effort on the convincing unless he wanted everyone to know he was Prosecutor, which would of course serve his purpose. Anyone bandwagoning for little reason on that is just... what? It's a poke from the Prosecutor, at least.

    December 17, 2013
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    LLight

    was a lost cause*

    December 17, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    What happens to the Prosecutor if the Guard kills their target? Same thing as a night kill?


    Yes sir. I should clarify that, thank you.

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    If the Prosecutor's target is killed by the Guard, then the Prosecutor will turn into a Survivor.

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    So that would totally fit with Roxas' MO.

    What if Majora is actually the Investigator and Roxas is the Prosecutor? Roxas gets his kill (and maybe his points) but either way, he now needs to stay alive, so he backs off his claim. Majora figures Roxas must be the Prosecutor based on what just happened, and has to gamble based on what I let loose or the mafia will know that he's the Investigator.

    OK. I'm going with this. It fits my reads from Day1 and would make a lot of sense.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm guessing that Roxas is the Prosecutor and Majora is mafia who tried to play me. Roxas is letting Majora get away with it because he's just a survivor, he doesn't care what happens to Majora.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    If Majora is actually mafia, then shit. But I think of all the options available, that's the least likely. He's either Prosecutor or Investigator, and lynching either one benefits the mafia somewhat.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    People tend to not look at alternative options. Not always, but a lot of the times. Right now the options are Roxas and Majora. No one is going to lynch Roxas after he just killed a Mafia member. They may back me even if it doesn't make a lot of sense.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    No no no. I need to back up. If Majora is the Investigator, then who did he check? Prosecutor shows up as innocent. Argh. I fucked up. I'll back down if someone argues with me.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Majora is Prosecutor, Roxas is Investigator. That's all that makes sense. idk why Roxas played it the way he did, but all he's done is make a Doctor not want to protect him tonight.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm still in favor of that role claim, by the way. If I'm wrong it could point us in the right direction.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm not sure what to think as far as who the Guard is. Probably someone fairly familiar with the game and who worked some probabilities to decide that an aggressive strategy would be benficial (lancer? Bubba? Jo?). It doesn't strike me as something chiefsonny would do, nor weid or Kyon. That's about it for my analysis right now.

    I think Cas is mafia, but want to try and generate some other discussion before coming after her. I just PMed Bandit that I'm the Drunk and think Roxas is the PI and Majora the Prosecutor.

    Plaintext:
    im_actually_the_drunk

    MD5:
    ed36 3355 6de1 b9b2 b836 53bb 5c22 eae1

    Generate via wolframalpha: "md5(im_actually_the_drunk)"

    December 17, 2013
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    hezekiah

    ed36 3355 6de1 b9b2 b836 53bb 5c22 eae1

    I don't think we should use today's lynch on either Majora OR Roxas. Instead, I think the previously discussed roleclaim would be a prudent course of action. I am one of the Sleepwalkers.

    December 17, 2013
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    hezekiah

    So then why do I have a vote for Roxas?

    December 17, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I do have a problem with your theory, The Bandit.

    Suppose Roxas is the Prosecutor (Target: Speed Bike Pro) and I'm mafia.

    Then today's events, from your point of view played out as such:

    -I send you a blank notification at the start of the round
    -Roxas claims Public Investigator in the main thread to lynch Speed Bike Pro, who he thought could be innocent.
    -I claim Prosecutor and that Roxas is my target, and accept that we won't be lynching him.
    -Roxas claims Townie

    The problem I have is that these events in this order make very little sense according to our earlier supposition. First of all, for the lesser of my arguments, why would I have sent you a blank notification at the beginning of the round if I was mafia? I'm not sure how many other notifications you got, but I doubt you got many. As a mafia member, putting my name out there to you would be a very risky play, and not entirely worth it at all. For the very reason that you're trying to lynch me now.

    Secondly, if Roxas is the Prosecutor, why would he claim townie? You stated that:

    Roxas is letting Majora get away with it because he's just a survivor, he doesn't care what happens to Majora.


    But he would care, a lot. If he's Prosecutor, he just won the game. As a Survivor, you'd want the game to come to a quick end. By me publicly claiming Prosecutor, if he was Prosecutor, then he'd see a blatant contradiction and know that I would be mafia. With the ratio as it is (the mafia almost completely wiped out) why not call this out? Unless you're stating that you think he is cooperating with the mafia, in which case, you should probably lynch him while you have the chance (I won't mind since I'm the prosecutor and want him dead.)

    So here's my argument for you The Bandit: Is keeping Roxas alive worth it? Either he's:

    A)The Prosecutor, who's cooperating with the mafia
    B)Mafia, who falseclaimed PI and sold out his own teammate
    C)Townie with a chronic lying problem, who could have easily gotten a town-sided member killed by the guard

    All of those options seem bad to me. At least by lynching Roxas this round, you're saving me a spot on the Winner's Stand. And if he's really the Prosecutor, then you're helping the town in the end, regardless. If he's town sided, can you really say you'd need a townie to win the game at this point? The town has the biggest numbers advantage so far and it seems like a clear outcome to me. Just gimme a piece of that, is all I request :).

    December 17, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    I do have a problem with the way that `Roxas` handled the claim... but here's the problem... if he is the Townie that he says he is... who else is the Prosecutor? I really guess there is only one way to find out the truth? Since it seems kind of elusive at the moment...

    December 17, 2013
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    Helius

    Or D, Majora, and he's actually the Investigator, but killing the Investigator is a huge boost so I'll go with that. That's the way I should have played it out from the beginning.

    Hezekiah just claimed Drunk, and said what everyone should probably know. Roxas is PI, Majora is Prosecutor. Still voting for Roxas.

    Not sure what Helius is doing. It seems like a giveaway for the mafia to vote for the person who just gave them a mafia member, but I've seen him give himself away like this before, so it's not out of reach.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Hmm... Alright, I can see that.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'd argue that if there was another prosecutor they'd roleclaim with no issues. The Prosecutor doesn't really lose much by claiming, especially if it's a counterclaim. When their role is confirmed it's just that--no one's going to really pay them any mind, the worst that could happen is that people won't take their lynch suggestions as seriously. But if they roleclaimed, they could, say, work with the mafia to get their target lynched. Ultimately, a prosecutor claim would help in three very big regards:

    I disagree with pretty much all of this, especially in this particular situation. Why would the Prosecutor care if someone else claimed their role? Really, it only gives them a little more cover--since their priority is not getting the Mafia lynched, they have nothing to lose by allowing a Mafia member to claim their role unless that Mafia member happened to be their target. Also, in this particular circumstance there's not much to gain for the Prosecutor even if they get in contact with the Mafia, as the Mafia won't have the ability to help them lynch their target for a long time. Their ability to sway lynches in the direction of their target isn't something that the Prosecutor gives up lightly, and in this scenario the Mafia simply don't have enough to offer the Prosecutor to cause them to give that up.

    I'm not convinced MM9 is Mafia--far from it, as I think there's a decent chance he really is the Prosecutor. That being said, I think Majora did lay out a pretty excellent set of points as to why lynching even a Prosecutor we believe is a good idea--they really have nothing to lose by working with the Mafia (lest we forget, when Dooku was the Survivor he was on the Mafia's side from the start), especially if they're already outed/have outed themselves. Other games I've played have seen the Survivor lynched as a matter of course--as long as they're alive, they're not a Town ally and could provide a crucial vote on the Mafia's side. That's what keeps most Survivors from roleclaiming early--it's not guaranteed immunity from both sides because they're a big potential threat to the Town.

    In a situation like ours, where lynching Survivors/Survivor-type characters hasn't really come up as a strategy, I could easily see two scenarios playing out:

    1. If Majora's the Prosecutor, he could be thinking it's unlikely to get his target lynched, but it's also unlikely that we as a Town will lynch him because we're pretty inexperienced with Survivor-type characters. He might not be able to get his target lynched, but he can still try to get in good with the Mafia and receive the potential benefits that he laid out without much risk (since his target is unlynchable and the Town is unlikely to vote him off).

    2. If Majora is Mafia, the Prosecutor is probably the safest claim he can make because there's a plausible reason he's still alive, and the real Prosecutor is reasonably likely to keep his head down in hopes of swaying the Town to lynch his target. Again, in our games we've never really discussed lynching Survivor characters, so we're unlikely to take him out and he's winds up with cover from the Town.

    Option #2 does seem less likely to me (though neither are good), mainly because there's always a chance the Mafia could accidentally Nightkill the real Prosecutor and reveal his deception (unless, of course, the real Prosecutor was already in contact with the Mafia through OOG). Either way, though, I don't see much downside to taking MM9 out because he's not really going to be helping us either way and he could potentially hurt us quite a bit.

    If we don't take MM9 out this turn, I suggest we vote out one of the Sleepwalker/Townie claims (and I'm not opposed to that being Roxas--he's managed to sketch me out with that falseclaim, although I'd like to hear his explanation before stringing him up). With the lynch, the Guard, and the PI, we should be able to narrow it down pretty quickly if we just play aggressively.

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer

    Yeah, Roxas and MM9 are probably our best options and I'm willing to take either/both of them out. I would, however, like to hear Roxas explain what he hoped to accomplish with a fakeclaim before taking him out (and extending the round is better for us anyway).

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer



    bleh. This Prosecutor business is dizzying, but at least we know for sure the Prostituter is no more. Majora's assessment seems to make sense, and the idea of faking a verdict with an active Guard around is touchy to say the least. It struck me as odd to unnecessarily come public with Speed's name instead of routing it through the Journalist. I mean, that suggestion was literally in the first reply of the round so it's not like it could've slipped his mind.

    December 17, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Glad to see Lancer is open to killing Roxas. That is a huge boost.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Sleepwalkers:

    Castrael
    Yeano
    hezekiah

    Townies:

    Xhin (confirmed)
    Jo Nathan
    Roxas

    Just a quick count of our roleclaimed Sleepwalkers/Townies thus far--I might have missed someone somewhere. It would be really nice if we could get the rest of these claims in so we could decide on a good target for this round (if we don't decide to go for MM9). Also, a thought: the PI needs to be very careful with their investigation target each night, since the Intercepter is out there. They should either try to coordinate with another power role so that two people are visiting their target each night, or at least try to be unpredictable with their choices.

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer

    Theoretically, assuming MM9's telling the truth about being the Prosecutor, we should wind up with 9 claims total divided between the Sleepwalkers/Townies. Not counting Xhin, we have 5. There's really not a good reason for a Townie/Sleepwalker to hold back at this point with the amount of claims we have, and especially with the Hooker dead (since they won't be able to block power role actions).

    Question: if the Prosecutor's target is eliminated (by lynch or otherwise), will the Town be informed?

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer

    Question: if I choose to save myself, and the Intercepter picks me, will I still die? If not, will it be because I don't 'visit' myself, or because the Intercepter attempted to kill me and I saved myself?

    December 17, 2013
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    white lancer

    Question: if the Prosecutor's target is eliminated (by lynch or otherwise), will the Town be informed?


    If the target is Night-killed, the Town will be informed that the Prosecutor is now a Survivor. If the target is lynched, the town will not be informed.

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You will not die if you save yourself and you are visited by the Interceptor.

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Oh, and it will be because there was not another individual in the room. There has to be another person visiting for it to work at all - making 3 parties total, not two.

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    This conversation/game in general is getting AS HOT AS MY HOT CHOCOLATE



    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    But if we're going to have all of the townies roleclaim, that would mean death for our power roles seeing as they would be the only ones not roleclaiming. Because we all know that the mafia will probably claim townies so there will be no counterclaims. My point is that there's not much point in having all of the townies roleclaim right now.

    I'm not sure if any of that makes much sense, I just wanted to say something because I haven't contributed much because of finals.

    December 17, 2013
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    Zanic

    C)Townie with a chronic lying problem, who could have easily gotten a town-sided member killed by the guard

    Won't deny that at all, but I didn't get a town-sided member killed, however lucky! {;)}

    can you really say you'd need a townie to win the game at this point?

    Well, if everybody jumps on board with Bandit's plan, then yes, a townie would be needed to win this game.

    I would, however, like to hear Roxas explain what he hoped to accomplish with a fakeclaim before taking him

    I was hoping to take out a Mafia member, of course. (look)(look) Also to protect the real PI, but since nobody was buying that I was the PI in the first place, that wasn't really going to work, now was it?

    then he'd see a blatant contradiction and know that I would be mafia

    Well, not necessarily Mafia.

    With the ratio as it is (the mafia almost completely wiped out) why not call this out?

    Because you are a fun person to compete with Majora, Mafia or not.

    ---

    Also, why would I, inevitably, give up the Marksman and the Hooker in back to back rounds if I was looking at throwing teammates under the bus? There are other fish to toss on the fire while making the game more fun for me (if I were Mafia). I've said in the past that I have no issue with throwing my teammates under the bus if it means I go on longer in the game, but why, arguably, the two most powerful Mafia-sided roles this game? Doesn't make much sense.

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    `Roxas`

    I'm just saying we should route it through someone trustworthy (like The Bandit) so that we don't reveal the PI's identity unnecessarily.

    Except Bandit is anything but confirmed (let alone trustworthy) at this point. His role hasn't been confirmed in any way, shape or form.

    The Public Investigator isn't necessary to win if we follow The Bandit's plan.

    {y}{y}{y}{y}{y}

    At any rate, the Doctor will probably be protecting Roxas.

    I've gone about getting the Doctor protection in the past early on in games, and I'd take 50/50 coverage at night over 0/100.

    ----

    Gotta leave for school now, so I'll catch y'all later (if I ain't eating pebbles by then)!

    December 17, 2013
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    `Roxas`



    December 17, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    The previous round gives us a good scenario involving both Roxas and MM9 to dissect. Roxas suggests that we kill Weid Man early on. This is then quickly followed by votes from two confirmed Mafia members, Speed and Hindenburg. We've all been part of the mafia, and I think we could agree that one of the major situations you want to avoid is piling votes from all of the mafia members onto one target. In this situation, one mafia goes down, the rest are soon to follow. Classically, the best way to combat this is to have one or multiple mafia members play devil's advocate and combat their partners who are piling on the votes. We've all done this, with I believe it was White Lancer doing it beautifully as mafia a couple of games ago. Majora early on strongly defends Weid Man in two different posts.

    I really don't believe three mafia members would stick their neck out so early. I think it's more likely two members saw an opportunity and jumped on a target suggested by a innocent man. Majora then counters it perfectly. Not solid proof to lynch anyone on, but if your only options were Roxas and Majora, then I'd have to lean the latter.


    Roxas's play this round does raise strong questions. I still have no idea what he meant by

    Oh how I wish I was the PI. I was just throwing a bluff and hoping it worked in the end (which it did, just not in the way I had hoped).


    You're a townie, right? Which means you're hoping it ends in a death of a mafia, something that happened. Not sure what you wanted out of that situation. But I also can't let myself believe that Roxas would throw a mafia member under the bus when their numbers are already dwindling.

    December 17, 2013
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    Bubba

    This is then quickly followed by votes from two confirmed Mafia members, Speed and Hindenburg.


    Well, Hindenburg didn't know who the other Mafia members were, if I understand his role correctly, so this would certainly not have been a coordinated effort - at least on his part.

    I am really having a hard time wrapping my mind around possible explanations for Roxas' actions, besides the explanation that he's giving us. I say we lynch him, have the real PI investigate Majora, and then lynch Majora next since he's probably the Godfather.

    Also.... I think I know who the guard is! One of two people, if I had to guess.

    December 17, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    besides including the explanation that he's giving us.


    Fixed. Sorry, I haven't had enough coffee this morning.

    December 17, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    To: Jo Nathan



    Love, the Chef

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    a6a6 0c6f 27ee 896a 182c d05c fe93 fa8e

    but don't tell anyone

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    (cry)

    December 17, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Dear Chef,

    Can I have a Cinnabun?

    Love, Cas.

    Majora early on strongly defends Weid Man in two different posts.


    This is why I thought Majora was Mafia.

    December 17, 2013
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    Castrael

    With the ratio as it is (the mafia almost completely wiped out) why not call this out?

    Because you are a fun person to compete with Majora, Mafia or not.


    My quote was in the context of you being the Prosecutor and knowing that my Prosecutor claim was a lie (which it isn't.) Are you claiming you're the prosecutor now???

    Either way, like I already brought up, I'm the Prosecutor and just need you lynched to be declared a winner. If you were really the PI, I'd have backed off because I'd know I would never be able to get you lynched. But now that you're... possibly a townie, or whatever's going on with your claims, and have told lies that could have gotten innocent people killed, my argument still stands that killing you wouldn't hurt the town, has a good chance of helping the town, but would also help me.



    December 17, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    That's a damn nice FSU shirt...

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I cannot believe how many votes Roxas has at this point. I have to assume a lot of the mafia are behind these votes. Do they not see that Roxas just gave them the Hooker? He didn't pull the trigger, but he sure as hell was the cause of Speed's death. While turning over your teammate is a good strategy a lot of the time, it would be so terribly bad at that point in the game that there's no way Roxas would go through with it. And if he did, they deserve to lose.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    sigh... I wish I had snapchat.

    December 17, 2013
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    Kyon

    And now Kyon shows up, with a totally pointless comment that does nothing for anyone. I don't get why this dude even bothers signing up.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    assuming that nothing comes out of nowhere and changes things by the end of the round, any thoughts on tonight's actions?

    player list, minus the dead. the mafia, and Majora/Roxas/Bandit:

    2. Jo Nathan - claimed Townie
    6. Helius
    8. Castrael - claimed Sleepwalker
    10. white lancer
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    16. hezekiah - claimed Sleepwalker
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon

    We've got the Distracted Doctor, Guard, Town Drunk. and maybe the Public Investigator around, all trouble for their own reasons. Killing the Journalist could be helpful as well, but it requires two shots thanks to that f******** vest and doesn't help close the ratio at all...and we're better off not dragging this out. Keeping the generic roles alive gives us somewhere to hide, so I figure the nightkill should probably be directed toward an unknown that we don't think is likely to be protected tonight (factoring in their day contributions is nice too). Hopefully nobody's faking a generic claim in public to throw us off. Whatever our choice is, I'll make the first official vote for the stealth element...if you're leaning anywhere in particular, let me know. I'll think it over later.

    Interceptor ability is your call, of course, Yeano - my biggest concern would be hopefully avoiding the Journalist. With any other role, even if two other people visit and your cover is blown, you'll still kill one of them in exchange. Hopefully there are enough homes around that the random Sleepwalker visits don't screw us. Multiple kills off your ability would really help us, but it's going to require some luck no matter what.

    December 17, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I wish more people were claiming roles...

    December 17, 2013
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    hezekiah

    And now Kyon shows up, with a totally pointless comment that does nothing for anyone. I don't get why this dude even bothers signing up.


    I'll discuss it with Shadowwalked, but I'm thinking of just host-killing him if he doesn't contribute anything else. I don't consider that contributing to the game at all, so... I don't know. I guess I could ask for opinions but I'd rather not explicitly say it in the Day thread because then he'll just be like "lalalalala *randomly votes for someone" solely based on his past games.

    IDK. I know he has the potential to be a good player if he tried is why, but like you said, I don't understand why people sign up if they're just going to consistently not play.



    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Still not in favor of a mass role claim.

    But since I know now that one of the 3 people below is false claiming:

    Sleepwalkers:
    Castrael
    Yeano
    hezekiah


    I will role claim and request that the PI check it out.

    I am a Sleepwalker.

    2 dumb roles in a row.{fp}

    December 17, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    I really liked hezekiah's false claim. Chief almost has to actually be a sleepwalker at this point. Idk, doesn't seem likely that he would volunteer himself like that. Cas is almost certainly one as well. Yeano is debatable, and if another one comes forward I would believe that person over Yeano.

    Jo Nathan has been the most suspicious to me this round. No reads on anyone else at all. Really happy I wasn't a townie this game. While they're doing great and almost certain to win, it's been tougher than usual for me to get a (accurate) sense of where anyone is at.

    December 17, 2013
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    The Bandit

    "Listen, little boy, in this business there’s only one law you gotta follow to keep out of trouble: Do it first, do it yourself, and keep on doing it"



    LET'S GO NIGHT 2

    December 17, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    {:3}

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Inspector Faggot calling to duty.

    December 18, 2013
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    weid man

    weid, keep it clean.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    But if we're going to have all of the townies roleclaim, that would mean death for our power roles seeing as they would be the only ones not roleclaiming. Because we all know that the mafia will probably claim townies so there will be no counterclaims. My point is that there's not much point in having all of the townies roleclaim right now.

    Honestly, enough Townies/Sleepwalkers have roleclaimed by now that the Mafia have a great shot at picking out the power roles anyway. It's better to go all the way with a roleclaim than only halfway (although I wouldn't recommend that the power roles claim what they are specifically--let the Mafia try to puzzle that out).

    I was hoping to take out a Mafia member, of course. Also to protect the real PI, but since nobody was buying that I was the PI in the first place, that wasn't really going to work, now was it?

    But why were you so convinced Speed was Mafia in the first place? This move still doesn't make sense to me from a Mafia or Townie perspective. If you were innocent and happened to be wrong about Speed, you'd probably be costing the Town two innocent players because we probably would have immediately lynched you.

    Also, why would I, inevitably, give up the Marksman and the Hooker in back to back rounds if I was looking at throwing teammates under the bus? There are other fish to toss on the fire while making the game more fun for me (if I were Mafia). I've said in the past that I have no issue with throwing my teammates under the bus if it means I go on longer in the game, but why, arguably, the two most powerful Mafia-sided roles this game? Doesn't make much sense.

    This I can buy a little better, just because it would make a lot more sense for a Mafia member to toss the Mafioso or Godfather under the bus than the Hooker (I don't quite remember how you specifically gave up the Marksman, but it's a moot point since the Mafia didn't know who the Marksman was anyway). On the other hand, the Interceptor is certainly the more dangerous role since double kills are the best possibility for the Mafia to come back from this ratio...but yeah, throwing an active Hooker who didn't have much suspicion on him before is probably not the best strategy as Mafia, especially not if you follow up by immediately drawing attention to yourself by admitting to a falseclaim. That's really the one thing that's keeping me from hopping on the bandwagon to vote for you.

    Except Bandit is anything but confirmed (let alone trustworthy) at this point. His role hasn't been confirmed in any way, shape or form.

    His role is pretty much confirmed as far as I'm concerned, simply because we haven't had an article from the Journalist today. Even putting aside the fact that Journalist is a terrible role for the Mafia to fakeclaim, I find the odds of the Town Drunk happening to hit the real Journalist last night quite low.

    I say we lynch him, have the real PI investigate Majora, and then lynch Majora next since he's probably the Godfather.

    This plan doesn't really make much sense. Why have the PI investigate Majora if we're going to kill him the next day anyway regardless of the results? Also, I'm very leery about suggesting who the PI should investigate as long as the Interceptor is around. I suppose we could always coordinate having another of our power roles hit that same target, just in case, but I'm not sure if that's strictly better than the PI just staying away from the obvious pick.

    I still think lynching Majora makes sense, since he's either Mafia or the Prosecutor and neither are helpful to the Town, but the round is almost over and it looks like it's going to be Roxas. He's not a terrible target, but I would really, really like it if our other Townie/Sleepwalkers were to roleclaim so we had a better idea of our potential Mafia members. It's probably too late to do this this round, but next round I think that everyone who isn't a Townie/Sleepwalker should simply state that they're a power role (but not go into specifics). That should help us weed out the players who aren't cooperating with the Townie/Sleepwalker roleclaim. As it is, we know already that at least 1/4 of the Sleepwalker claims (Castrael, Yeano, hezekiah, and chiefsonny) is lying.

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    I'm having doubts that Roxas could be the wrong choice to lynch. I'll post more when I get home.

    December 18, 2013
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    Castrael

    I still think lynching Majora makes sense, since he's either Mafia or the Prosecutor and neither are helpful to the Town


    You're wrong, white lancer. If I'm the Prosecutor (which I am, do you really think I could do this convincing of a job faking it without anyone even being suspected of the Prosecutor?), I think I'd have a lot more reason to help the town than the mafia, considering the ratio. I feel like I have a lot more to say on this, but I'd rather wait until Roxas gets lynched, just because I'm close to meeting my win condition, and don't want to really distract from that right now.

    And what is your basis for saying that I'm either Mafia or the Prosecutor? If you're giving Roxas a free pass after he lied about his role, shouldn't I be receiving similar treatment? My lie wasn't even a public one, and unlike Roxas's, never really changed all that much (There is a big difference between claiming PI and saying someone is Guilty, then claiming Townie, than claiming PI and saying someone is Guilty, then claiming Prosecutor and that the other person is your target). For all we know, I could be a Townie, just like Roxas claimed.

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    This plan doesn't really make much sense. Why have the PI investigate Majora if we're going to kill him the next day anyway regardless of the results?


    That proposal was tongue-in-cheek. I would hope that people don't think I'm foolish enough to really suggest that.

    Also, I'm very leery about suggesting who the PI should investigate as long as the Interceptor is around.


    I agree with this. At this point we can probably assume the Interceptor will be targeting Mafia members exclusively in order to protect themselves as best as they can.

    It might make sense for the PI to inform The Bandit of whoever he/she is targeting each night. That way, if the PI dies by the hand of the Intercepter, then The Bandit can report on who was targeted.

    December 18, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You know why I'm not voting for Roxas? Because I believe him to be the PI. It would make sense for him to try and pass himself off as a townie so he doesn't get nightkilled, but seems he'll end up lynched anyway.

    Everybody's posted this round, and nobody else has taken credit for the Guilty verdict we received this morning.

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Even with hezekiah finally saying something logical, I think we'll get away with this lynch. If Roxas isn't the PI, I will quit this game because I obviously don't know anything.

    December 18, 2013
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    The Bandit

    That had occurred to me, but I had trouble following through with that explanation for the simple fact that he posted his result publicly instead of PMing The Bandit.

    But if someone else feels it's still plausible, that's good enough for me.

    December 18, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Oh yeah, I should try to prevent him from being lynched...

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    You must fulfill your duty as the Journalist, though... (cry)

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    NO JO STOP IT YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE SUSPICIOUS

    December 18, 2013
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    The Bandit

    NOW NOW IT'S OKAY LET'S SETTLE DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THIS NO ONE'S GOING TO HURT YOU



    idk what i'm doing

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You know why I'm not voting for Roxas? Because I believe him to be the PI. It would make sense for him to try and pass himself off as a townie so he doesn't get nightkilled, but seems he'll end up lynched anyway.


    Do you think the mafia would actually take that kind of a chance and not kill him anyway? Wouldn't a Prosecutor falseclaim be better? Wouldn't even keeping his PI claim be better since he'd be protected by the Distracted Doctor? Roxas has shown many times in the past that when he's the Cop he'll be sure to take credit for it, and will claim early, which goes against him claiming Townie afterward. But, if by some miraculous chance he is the PI, do you really think you need a PI to win at this point? Then again, I really don't believe he's the PI.

    Your reasoning for thinking Roxas is really the PI is that nobody has counterclaimed, but would you really expect the actual PI to step up at this point? They have anonymity right now, and counterclaiming after he admitted he was lying would be a bad play. The PI might not even feel like they need to counterclaim, because he did admit he was lying. It almost sounds like you're trying to drag out the real PI.

    This is all assuming you're town-sided anyway. I actually have reason to believe you're mafia, hezekiah, but I won't go too into it right now besides what I just mentioned. I want Roxas dead now.

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    You're wrong, white lancer. If I'm the Prosecutor (which I am, do you really think I could do this convincing of a job faking it without anyone even being suspected of the Prosecutor?), I think I'd have a lot more reason to help the town than the mafia, considering the ratio.

    I 100% disagree. The Prosecutor doesn't have any real incentive to help the Town once their win condition is achieved, no matter what the ratio, because the Mafia can easily Nightkill you if you start to be too helpful to the Town. You yourself have already laid out reasons why the Prosecutor would want to get in good with the Mafia, and I definitely don't trust you after that even if you are the Prosecutor.

    And what is your basis for saying that I'm either Mafia or the Prosecutor? If you're giving Roxas a free pass after he lied about his role, shouldn't I be receiving similar treatment? My lie wasn't even a public one, and unlike Roxas's, never really changed all that much (There is a big difference between claiming PI and saying someone is Guilty, then claiming Townie, than claiming PI and saying someone is Guilty, then claiming Prosecutor and that the other person is your target). For all we know, I could be a Townie, just like Roxas claimed.

    I'm not exactly giving Roxas a 'free pass.' I think I've said multiple times this round that his play really doesn't make any sense to me and very possibly could have gotten multiple Town-sided players killed. The main difference is that if you're telling the truth, the Town doesn't really lose anything by taking you out (except for one day round's worth of lynching, which we can afford right now), while if Roxas is telling the truth, we lose a number on our side. There's also this:

    You know why I'm not voting for Roxas? Because I believe him to be the PI. It would make sense for him to try and pass himself off as a townie so he doesn't get nightkilled, but seems he'll end up lynched anyway.

    This occurred to me as well. I'm not 100% sure I believe that he's the PI, but it makes a little more sense to me than that he's a random Townie who took a shot in the dark and happened to be right (or that he's a Mafia member who decided to throw the Hooker under the bus). It makes more sense when you consider that no one else (as far as we know) has PMed the Bandit with a Guilty verdict, so either the PI happened to check the exact same person that Roxas targeted, or they just haven't communicated with anyone for some reason. I also considered the possibility that he was simply in contact with the PI and was covering for him, but a) he's not doing a good job of covering if so after backing off his PI claim and b) since the PI doesn't have any innocent verdicts thus far, I don't know why they would trust Roxas with their identity instead of the Bandit.

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    Sigh... I feel like I'm going off on a tangent here, or being too defensive over my own role. I think Roxas has shown that he's a liar, and I always say that town-sided roles shouldn't lie to the town on such big matters, just based on principle. I think the biggest argument pointing toward Roxas NOT being the Private Investigator is that, if he was the Private Investigator and just wanted to protect his identity, why didn't he privately message The Bandit in the first place, like we all suggested he do? The Bandit is basically the confirmed Journalist. I'd jump at that opportunity, and it goes against what you yourself suggested hezekiah, IIRC.

    Like I said, regardless of what Roxas's role is, I think he's untrustworthy and detrimental to the town. Your reason for not voting for him is that you think he's the Private Investigator, but I'd argue that he can't be. I don't trust him, and as Prosecutor, I do want him dead.

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Uhhh... I could claim I have gotten another Investigator PM and say I held off on it for... some reason? I don't think anyone would doubt me... Ahhh.

    Cas could show up at any minute and vote for Majora, which wouldn't be that bad but I'd rather the Investigator be killed ASAP.

    The problem is, if I do that then the Town won't buy my claim that I know who killed the night kill tomorrow. IDK WHAT DO

    December 18, 2013
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    The Bandit

    BTW it's Public Investigator, not Private.

    I put very little stock in your arguments for lynching Roxas, because your reasons for wanting him dead are very different from the town's.

    "I'd argue that [Roxas] can't be [the PI]."

    I haven't seen you do anything of the sort.

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    The round ends in about 10 hours

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    If you were the Public Investigator, would you do what Roxas did? Just look at his actions say with a straight face that you would. We have a confirmed Journalist that is helping the town and is offering us the chance to relay information for us. Your argument is that Roxas claimed PI, got Speed Bike Pro lynched, and then claimed townie after his findings were confirmed. But this makes no sense. We had no guarantee the guard would blindly trust Roxas, and if Roxas really did get a guilty on Speed, he put a HUGE target on his back for the nightkill, because the mafia knew he made a true statement when he called out Speed.

    Nothing about his actions make sense if he was really the PI, and his actions contradict his previous games as the Cop. This is my argument for why he can't be the PI, and why I think you're looking too into it to say otherwise.

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Majora is really a master at work here. Really impressive stuff. It should never, ever work on anyone, but it's still impressive.

    December 18, 2013
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    The Bandit

    The major note that isn't receiving attention is that Roxas threw Speed, a mafia member, under the bus. No mafia member in their right mind is going to do that.

    December 18, 2013
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    Bubba



    This game isn't going anything like I would have/could have expected but still interesting nonetheless. I guess as the host I sit back and feel like it's going a little slowly but ehhhh.

    It'll be nice once we finally get a Journalist article out there. {:P}

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    The major note that isn't receiving attention is that Roxas threw Speed, a mafia member, under the bus. No mafia member in their right mind is going to do that.


    BUBBA YOU LITERALLY DID THIS GAME 18 PLS

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    What if Roxas didn't even know the guard would show up and kill Speed? What if he was just mafia, pretended to have good intentions in falseclaiming PI to "distract the mafia from the real PI," and if he later was found out, Speed would be viewed as a likely innocent.

    idk, there are a lot of possibilities for both sides. But ultimately the main point I'm going to keep going back to is that Roxas's death wouldn't be detrimental to the town, based on it being highly unlikely if not impossible for him to be the PI. Mafia is a team game with different sides, each with different goals to win. The town (including dead townies) win if they wipe out the mafia. As prosecutor, I only win if Roxas is dead. If you have doubts that I am the prosecutor (mostly looking at white lancer here), go back through my posts from this round and look at how prosecutory I've been. How I basically gave up when Roxas claimed PI and Speed died, and how I sprung to life when he said he wasn't. I wanna win too!

    But if I were the town I'd also feel uneasy with Roxas around regardless. It may not be a guaranteed mafia lynch, but I it would definitely be in the town's favor. You have more than enough numbers and more than enough power roles to take this to the end. And, besides, if he's a Townie, that means less mafia members that can hide behind a Townie claim. Food for the thought, since I thought the plan was to lynch the (suspicious) townie claims eventually anyways!

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    The point that you're not mentioning, Majora, is that the fact that the PI had a Guilty verdict was plastered across the screen in big red letters. It makes 100% sense that the Guard would take Roxas at his word, and Roxas would be foolish to expect otherwise. It's why his actions don't make much sense as a Townie and wasn't sure Speed was Guilty, and why it doesn't make much sense as Mafia. I'm not ruling out him being Mafia, not by a long shot, but to me his moves make more sense if he's the PI rather than a Townie or a Mafia member. I'm not willing to lynch a potential PI, and not based on the arguments of someone who admittedly has other motives than Town-based ones.

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    Another question: can I save people who would have died due to the Interceptor? So if I covered the Town Drunk, and the Drunk visited the same room as the Interceptor, would the Drunk survive?

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    The funny thing is, I pretty much believed Majora's claim of Prosecutor from the start and even now I only have small doubts. I just think it's good to lynch Survivor-type roles regardless because they benefit the Mafia more often than not. {:P}

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    The major note that isn't receiving attention is that Roxas threw Speed, a mafia member, under the bus. No mafia member in their right mind is going to do that.


    As a rule of thumb, I personally try not to use things like this as bulletproof evidence because Mafia members have definitely done crazy things like this before to fool the town hardcore.

    Furthermore, it is possible Roxas is Mafia and he false-claimed in order to make the following happen:

  • Make the PI counter-claim
  • Get lynched, be revealed as Mafia (most likely the Mafioso), and therefore trick everyone into thinking Speed was an attempted target for an easy mis-lynch and is therefore most likely innocent
  • Pray that the Guard wouldn't call his bluff by killing Speed (and if he does, backpedal like crazy)

    But there are some problems with this theory - for instance, I don't think anyone has PM'd The Bandit claiming to be the real PI.

    Another thing that's bugging me - the Mafia are probably anticipating that the Doctor will be visiting Roxas tonight. This could spell trouble if they decide to send the Interceptor to Roxas' house. Would it be worth it for the Doctor to sacrifice him/herself in order to protect Roxas?

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    Jo Nathan

    (that is, of course, assuming Roxas survives this lynching... and things aren't looking particularly promising for him at this point)

    December 18, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    2 hours.

    December 18, 2013
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    Bubba

    2 minutes...

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    And that's probably it...

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah



    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    (shocked)

    December 18, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Kyon's only post so far has been "sigh... I wish I had snapchat." That is bullshit. Participate or don't play.

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Kyon's only post so far has been "sigh... I wish I had snapchat." That is bullshit. Participate or don't play.


    Agreed. Oh, and don't forget weid man... lol. I dont think Zanic post at all or did he?

    December 18, 2013
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    Castrael

    Zanic's participated in the game some. Weid voted for both Roxas and Flare, but his actual posts have been nonsensical at best.

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    hezekiah

    By the end of the day, Dookville's townspeople were worn, tired, and simply unsure. With the death of two people
    during the Day, they were also very scared - for the Virgin would no longer be able to save
    them from death during the night.

    Regardless, there were two people they found most suspicious in their actions - a certain `Roxas` and MajorasMask9.

    The town, ultimately racking up votes on both of these candidates, decided to tie them both up and blindfold them.
    Bubba and Helius tied up Majora and Roxas (respecitvely) to wooden chairs, back-to-back - white lancer came over to put the blindfolds on.

    white lancer kneeled down next to Majora's ear and whispered something, faintly heard.

    "... The town's making a grave mistake. And let me tell you, I'm not going to let you get away this easily next time."

    Bubba handed white lancer an axe. He heaved it above his shoulders, sighed deeply, and took a precise swing.

    It met with Roxas' neck, but it didn't stay there for long as his head shot across the Town square. Blood spewed
    like a fire hose, completely soaking Majora.

    white lancer overlooked the rest of the town, glaring at Majora in particular. "That's the last time we kill a Townie."

    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas` - Townie
    6. Helius
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin - Townie
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 9-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x2
    Journalist, Prosecutor

    24 hours or until all actions are in to end the round.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    but his actual posts have been nonsensical at best.


    agreed.

    December 18, 2013
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    Castrael

    By the end of the day, Dookville's townspeople were worn, tired, and simply unsure. With the death of two people during the Day, they were also very scared - for the Virgin would no longer be able to save them from death during the night.

    Regardless, there were two people they found most suspicious in their actions - a certain `Roxas` and MajorasMask9.

    The town, ultimately racking up votes on both of these candidates, decided to tie them both up and blindfold them. Bubba and Helius tied up Majora and Roxas (respecitvely) to wooden chairs, back-to-back - white lancer came over to put the blindfolds on.

    white lancer kneeled down next to Majora's ear and whispered something, faintly heard.

    "... The town's making a grave mistake. And let me tell you, I'm not going to let you get away this easily next time."

    Bubba handed white lancer an axe. He heaved it above his shoulders, sighed deeply, and took a precise swing.

    It met with Roxas' neck, but it didn't stay there for long as his head shot across the Town square. Blood spewed like water from a fire hose, completely soaking Majora.

    white lancer overlooked the rest of the town, glaring at Majora in particular. "That's the last time we kill a Townie."

    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas` - Townie
    6. Helius
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin - Townie
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 9-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie x2
    Journalist, Prosecutor

    24 hours or until all actions are in to end the round.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I would like to intercept:

    Yeano

    December 18, 2013
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    Yeano

    YOU WON!

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Was going to say Interceptor may choose someone to intercept but duly noted {:P}

    You may also target someone to Mafia kill.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Ha...! Noxious, Noxious... Your lies got the best of you. I knew one day you'd be brought to justice...

    December 18, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    You may choose someone to spy on tonight.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You may choose someone to drink with tonight.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You may choose someone to investigate tonight.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    So I was wrong about Roxas. Meh. Should help with a mass roleclaim tomorrow. Seems the mafia will all be forced to claim townie, since they didn't jump in with the sleepwalkers today.

    I don't think Cas is mafia. Forgot about her early Sleepwalker claim...

    Message I sent to Bandit:
    "I want to use my night action on the same person as the Public Investigator, to help in case that target is also the Interceptor's: if just the PI were targeting them, the PI would die. With me also there, one of us would die, BUT we'd also get the Interceptor's identity. Or if you want me to target you to prove that I am the Drunk, I can do that instead (but that seems like a bad idea). We'll definitely want to get more people roleclaiming tomorrow, since now there are only 2 townies."

    I kinda doubt I'll get anything back from him, in which case I'm thinking my drinking buddy will probably be Kyon.

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    can I save people who would have died due to the Interceptor? So if I covered the Town Drunk, and the Drunk visited the same room as the Interceptor, would the Drunk survive?


    Yes. {:D}

    You may now choose someone to save!

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I still have no idea why Roxas felt so confident in Speed's guilt that he'd risk falseclaiming PI, unless he really is in contact with the real PI (who trusts him with that information for some reason). Doesn't make much sense to me no matter from what angle I look at it, but it didn't wind up ending badly for us--we dropped the Hooker, and even Roxas dying isn't so terrible since I would have wanted to lynch a Townie or Sleepwalker anyway if no one else went for Majora. At least it helps to narrow things down.

    Anyway, I'm torn on what to do at this point. I don't like playing the selfish Doctor and saving myself, but at this point it seems like the best thing I can do to keep us ahead is keep myself from being the second kill of the night courtesy of the Interceptor, so I guess I'll protect white lancer tonight. I probably have decent odds of getting targeted anyway.

    December 18, 2013
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    white lancer

    Randomized Sleepwalker visits Night 2

    Kyon visits Zanic
    chiefsonny visits MajorasMask9
    Castrael visits hezekiah

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    who is this

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Welcome Roxas (and Xhin) {:P}

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Alright, but you have to specify what you will be drinking and what your target will be drinking and if you decide to put rohypnol in your target's drink.

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    ha, I was going to ask if he's able to choose himself

    my other question was whether it'd work to mafia kill (with the Interceptor as the first vote) and intercept the same person in an effort to, for example, kill the Doctor and his protection target at the same time


    thoughts and plots later, gotta run~

    December 18, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Well, hrm... that didn't work out so well.

    December 18, 2013
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    Helius

    I can do that. When I select my target, I'll include a menu.

    December 18, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I'll investigate hezekiah.

    Also, could you let me know how the hell I use the notification system? I don't think it's breaking any rules since it seems everyone should know how to anyway. I might not even use it because I like this being mysterious and everyone not knowing what the hell I'm doing. {:P}

    December 18, 2013
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    Zanic

    Of course!

    At the top of the GTX0 page, there is a gray icon that says "User CP" when you hover over it. Click on that, and under "Tools" you should see "Notifications". Click on that, then you'll see a filter - click on the "Mafia" filter, and you can message someone via notification. {:D}

    December 18, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Alright. Thanks Apollo!

    Maybe I'll use it. I haven't decided yet. {;)}

    December 18, 2013
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    Zanic

    I didn't think Roxas was Mafia and I wouldn't have voted for him.

    Come on Town. The goal is to kill Mafia not each other.

    December 18, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    Would we know if the Prosecutor lynched his target? Or will we not know until tomorrow?

    December 18, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Pls kill each other, town. (evil)

    December 18, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    You won't know at all. It's not revealed until the end of the game.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Speed, I honestly wasn't expecting your BP Booty to get shotted up like that. I had no idea Hindy wasn't cohoots with y'all, so that kinda drove my decision to go for you. No hard feelings? (:$)

    Lady Flare, so sorry to see you go the way you did. Unneeded if you ask me.

    Also, inb4 Majora is Mafia with weid since game is still going on after my death.

    December 19, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    No hard feelings at all, it was certainly a risk putting myself out there like that and though it cost me my life, I feel like the payoff for my team will be more than worth it. {O:-)}

    December 19, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I was thinking of holding off on my roleclaim for a day or 2. But I'd feel really badly if we lost too many (power role) Townies by my doing so.

    Roxas: You think Majora is Mafia? Why do you think he singled you out? Do you think that he thought you were really the PI?

    December 19, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    Oh, I misread what you said in the main thread. Alright.

    I'll watch white lancer tonight.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit



    The name's Godot, Survivor of the Underworld...

    December 19, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    You're welcome! {:3}

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I think he still may have believed it, even after I withdrew my statement after Speed's (un)fortunate death. It's obvious he isn't the Proseccuter at this point, so he should definitely be the next one to go. And I doubt a town-sided role would fake being the Prosecuter. As far as his reasoning, probably because of me sticking my head out like I did. Lemme tell ya, it wasn't a very good way to come back from school. Also, I think weid's vote was not of his own doing, but somebody telling him to extend the voting threshold.

    December 19, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    so we had a powwow

    we've decided on killin' Bubba tonight

    December 19, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    GAY

    December 19, 2013
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    Hindenburg
    Life's path is never straight.

    Never heard back from Bandit, so Kyon it is. Feels like a rum and Coke sort of night.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Interceptor target: Yeano
    Mafia kill: Bubba

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Okie dokie:

    Doctor target: white lancer

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    hezekiah is Innocent.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You take Kyon out for a night out...

    ... and you both get very inebriated... you seem to start punching the hell out of him. Flashbacks of his Days 1 and 2 inactivity come back, and your punches increase in intensity as you reflect.

    You leave him on the ground, bloody and battered, returning to your home. Needless to say, he wasn't going to be able to go anywhere else tonight.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You stake out white lancer's house, pen and paper in hand...

    ... oh my... What... what is he DOING to himself... white lancer, my goodness gollies...

    (he seems to be visiting himself...?)

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Reply to: night 2 the only time a townie can cry is when its all over

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