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night 3 dancing a duet with death

Posted December 19, 2013 by Apollo Justice

The Treestump and the Chef rose earlier than the rest of the town, preparing another post for the bulletin board. As they got put on all their winter gear to brave the coldness of Dookville's December, Apollo squinted and looked outside the window. "What's... What's that? Look! Look!" She pointed to an obscure figure that was too far to make out, and Shadowwalked shrugged his shoulders. "Awwh, no fun," Apollo complained. She ran outside ahead of Shadowwalked with the bulletin post in hand, and let out a blood-curdling scream. Shadowwalked immediately jolted out.

"I... No... He... COME BACK... COME BACK, PLEASE, PLEASE" Apollo furiously shook a corpse.

Shadowwalked kneeled down next to her. "He's... He's gone, Apollo. Look, feel... his heart, it's not beating."




"Bubba... You were one of the best damned Townies out there..." Shadowwalked sighed heavily and picked Apollo up.

Upon hearing the commotion, everyone else rose, also greeted by Bubba's dead body. They seemed to pay their respects, and they were all... highly disturbed.

Barely anyone noticed the paper that flew away in the wind... It read...

INNOCENT

Players:

1. Pirate_Ninja
2. Jo Nathan
3. Yeano
4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
5. `Roxas` - Townie
6. Helius
7. weid man
8. Castrael
9. MajorasMask9
10. white lancer
11. Xhin - Townie
12. The Bandit
13. chiefsonny
14. Zanic
15. Hindenburg - Marksman
16. hezekiah
17. Bubba - Townie
18. Kyon
19. Lady Flare - Virgin

Ratio: 8-3-2

Roles:
Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x3, Townie
Journalist, Prosecutor

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As they got put on all their winter gear


please ignore my glaringly obvious grammatical blunder I haven't had coffee yet

December 19, 2013
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Apollo Justice

To: Apollo



Love, The last Townie

December 19, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Okay, so the few people that I think are flying under the rader are:

Pirate Ninja
Zanic
Hezekiah
Chief

Weidman is weidman.

Helpful People:
The Bandit
Majora
White lancer
Nathan maybe?

Not sure about:
Yeano (never played with him before)
Kyon (he hardly plays)

Im thinking this might be helpful for the guard

December 19, 2013
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Castrael

Let me start this day with a riddle: Two men walk into a room, lock the door, and later, one man leaves, thus creating an empty room. How does it work? It's quite simple really, they were performing a sex change operation and the other man was a woman when she left.

Now you may ask, why did they lock the door? Well, I'm not entirely sure myself. But I think my riddle has metaphorically addressed a pertinent issue that's probably on everyone's minds: why should we keep Majora alive?

I'm the Prosecutor. I'm a third party role that doesn't affect the town-mafia ratio. If we decide to lynch me today, the ratio will still be 8-3, and tomorrow, could very well be 6-3. All it takes after that is a mislynch and a lucky Interceptor pick (which would actually not require much luck at all, if you look at the number of roles that can move.) That's a reason not to lynch me, but the guard is still there and could easily decide to kill me right now in the Day round.

I can't really say I have a reason for the Guard to not shoot me, except I will say that I have an undying loyalty to the Town at this point. Why? And how can you trust me? I want to see it to the end of the game. The mafia won't kill me. Since I have no night actions, the Interceptor will never kill me, so for the mafia to kill me they would need to use their nightkill on me. Since I don't affect the ratio, it would be a complete waste of a night round, in a game where their numbers are already dwindling.

This means my biggest threat of death, especially after last round, is the town and guard lynching/killing me. Considering the numbers advantage and the number of good power roles on the town's side at this point, the fastest way for the game to come to an end (since I've already won through my condition) would be to work with the Town and lynch the last mafia members.

Granted, I "could be mafia," but I have yet to see a Prosecutor counterclaim and I don't think we will. The mafia wouldn't counterclaim Prosecutor, and I don't think a real Prosecutor would have anything to hide at this point considering we're about to go into a phase of the game where we rely on roleclaims to determine who to lynch (seeing as there is only one Townie, and four Sleepwalkers have claimed already.)

You could argue that I could turn sides and go with the mafia if the mafia:town ratio gets closer, but I don't think the game will last that long, and hey, if it does, you could still guard kill me then :)...

December 19, 2013
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MajorasMask9

I got my ratio colors mixed up I'm sorry

December 19, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Sad to leave, fun game going on right now.

December 19, 2013
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Bubba

four Sleepwalkers have claimed already


Really? Huh... that seems like a good place to start then, seeing how there should only be three.

I think it's very possible that, given the happenings in Day 2, the PI had investigated Majora last night. IF this is the case, then in my opinion, he absolutely must be either the Prosecutor or the Godfather. I am hoping that someone else ends up being the Godfather and gets killed so that we can put the matter to rest, as using up a kill on Majora is a bit of a risk (although not that big of a risk if the Guard feels like taking a shot).

One thing that must be addressed - since Roxas wasn't really the PI, we have no reason to conclude that Speed really was the one who was investigated during Night 1. If the PI has a guilty verdict on somebody else, this should really be revealed soon.

December 19, 2013
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Jo Nathan

BUBBA YOU LITERALLY DID THIS GAME 18 PLS

Yeah, but I had to try and save Roxas somehow.

Still can't believe Roxas was lynched. If we had full participation I don't think it would have happened.

December 19, 2013
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Bubba

Just to recap, one of these players is lying about being a sleepwalker:

Cas
Yeano
hez
chief

They are listed in the order in which they role-claimed. This may or may not have any significance, but I'm inclined to think chief is the least likely to be lying since he voluntarily was the last to claim.

My personal top 3 suspects at this point are Cas, lancer and Majora, although it's difficult with so many people flying under the radar... {:/}

December 19, 2013
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Jo Nathan

Okay, so the few people that I think are flying under the rader are:
Pirate Ninja
Zanic
Hezekiah
Chief


Flying under the rader. {fp}

Are you playing in the same game I am?

I haven't written any novels like some people have, but I've posted in every Round.

December 19, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Sure, we know (at least) one of us 4 is lying. However, that still leaves (up to) 2 other mafia who haven't claimed anything. And with no duplicates of any other roles left (1 each of Prosecutor, Journalist, Townie, Drunk, Guard, PI, Doctor), we'll have at least a 50% probability of a successful lynch. Further, most of those roles can be verified through various means, so getting more role claims will definitely be beneficial.

Other thoughts:
  • We've been lucky that the Interceptor hasn't killed anybody yet. There have been 7 non-mafia players who have done 2 night actions each, and we've had nobody caught yet. Lucky us.
  • While I give the Guard props for his 2 successful kills, I would urge him not to be too hasty today; at the very least he should wait for the Journalist's report (which I hope will include proof of his real identity). In fact, after said report I suggest that you contact the Journalist OOG to see if he has any information that could help your decision-making process
  • That Innocent result doesn't necessarily mean the person investigated is town-sided, since there is still the Godfather in play.

    • December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Pirate_Ninja - NOT Public Investigator
    Jo Nathan - Townie
    Yeano - Sleepwalker
    Helius
    weid man
    Castrael - Sleepwalker
    MajorasMask9 - Prosecutor
    white lancer
    The Bandit - Journalist
    chiefsonny - Sleepwalker
    Zanic
    hezekiah - Town Drunk
    Kyon - NOT Public Investigator

    Not Found: Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I haven't seen claims from the following people: Pirate_Ninja, Helius, weid man, white lancer, Zanic, Kyon. Who's gonna step up?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    J-Naths, I knew there was a reason I <b3'd you (cry)

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I sort of agree with hez. I think we should go after the ones who haven't claimed sleepwalker. If the worst happens, a power role or someone could reveal when under pressure. If it's a townie reveal, then I'm sorry, but we should take that chance because there is only one townie left.

    December 19, 2013
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    Zanic

    Naturally, I still don't trust him. There's a good chance he's the godfather.

    December 19, 2013
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    Zanic

    Okay Zanic, what role are you claiming then?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    We have solid evidence that a Mafia exists among the sleepwalker claimers, and the plan is to set that aside for now and go after everyone else?

    .........(shifty)

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    If it's a townie reveal, then I'm sorry, but we should take that chance because there is only one townie left.


    Hey, I'm the last Townie. I guarantee you won't see a counter-claim unless a Mafia member is feeling suicidal.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    So you understand that 2 townie claims means 1 out of the 2 is mafia, but not that the same can be said for Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator and Guard?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, that makes sense. I didn't really think that first reply through and realized how silly it was right after posting it.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Derp, forgot the Drunk. Same goes for him.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, I made a mistake in the main thread there. I guess it could help with not getting myself killed today, though.

    I'm surprised nobody's brought up the hash I posted in Day 2...

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    If the round hadn't ended while I was in class, it wouldn't have happened either.

    There was no reason for anybody to go along with Majora after he confessed to being the prosecutor (whose role I misinterpreted and thus he still could be). Had a actually been the PI, he'd be gone without a doubt.

    December 19, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Sorry, chief. My fault.

    Anyways.

    I'm still not in favor of Mass Role claims, because like you said, anyone can lie. But, if we mass claim, this will give Mafia a better chance to win.

    I'm just saying. Once they fine out the last Townie is and once they kill him, they'll have an easier chance of killing the PI, etc.

    December 19, 2013
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    Castrael

    I'm here, but... I have to work an eight hour shift until a little after 10:30 PM CST. I just got done putting in another five hours somewhere else and I'm running on three hours of sleep. I'm not coherent enough to give input.

    December 19, 2013
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    Helius

    "Once they fine out the last Townie is and once they kill him"

    Why would the mafia waste their nightkill on a known vanilla townie?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Alright, so he's very likely the Doctor. Unless Sleepwalkers can visit themselves, or he's the Interceptor and he was convinced that someone would enter his room. That's enough for me to make him my unfortunate scapegoat.

    Before I do it though, I have another question. If white lancer had actually visited Bubba's room last night, would I know that? Or would it have simply read that white lancer left his room?

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    No, he can't be Interceptor. I entered his room, and I still have my bullet proof vest. Has to be doctor. NEATO

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit



    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Okay. I still don't really trust Majora to be beneficial to us this game, no matter whether he's really the Prosecutor or not. I still wouldn't mind taking him out if we had no other viable targets...but I just don't see it ever coming to that point now. Bubba's death gives us a major opportunity, as we're down to one Townie and that leaves the Mafia with very few hiding spots. Assuming Majora is telling the truth, we're guaranteed at least a 50% shot of lynching/Guardkilling a Mafia member this round if we all roleclaim:

    -If all three Mafia members claim Sleepwalker, the split is 3-3 between Guilty and Innocent.
    -If any Mafia member claims a power role or Townie, we've just got two people to choose from and we know one is Guilty.

    Everyone needs to roleclaim today. We need to separate everyone into the three groups of Power Roles, Townies, and Sleepwalkers--at this point it's not even crucial tht our power roles remain anonymous, though we might as well try to conceal specifics from the Mafia if possible. I'll start by saying that I'm a power role.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    I also suggest we simply lynch/Guardkilling anyone uncooperative with roleclaiming today. There's really no reason to be hesitant at this point.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    Why would the mafia waste their nightkill on a known vanilla townie?


    Because, imo, they might have a better chance at killing/ the power roles.

    I'll start by saying that I'm a power role.


    Which is?

    December 19, 2013
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    Castrael

    "Everyone needs to roleclaim today."

    I find it very interesting that 3 people who have posted today (Zanic, white lancer, Helius) have not claimed roles yet...
  • Zanic sounded like he was saying that somebody should only reveal when targeted for a lynch
  • Helius was coherent enough to post, but apparently not to say by the way I'm $_ROLE
  • white lancer said everybody should claim, but neglected to put his money where his mouth is

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    hezekiah

    Because, imo, they might have a better chance at killing/ the power roles.


    But at this point they already know I'm the townie, and they know who the sleepwalkers are since they all role-claimed (unless more than one of them is lying). In other words, they already know who has the power roles.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    white lancer said everybody should claim, but neglected to put his money where his mouth is

    ...lol. Reading is fun.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    "Because, imo, they might have a better chance at killing/ the power roles.

    I'm still not understanding your argument... as I'm read it, it's basically that the mafia will be better at killing power roles by not killing power roles. Perhaps down the road they'd choose to off the confirmed innocent Townie, but assuming this mass reveal goes off like it should, the mafia will probably be wanting to take out the more damaging roles (Doctor, PI or Guard).

    I also suggest we simply lynch/Guardkilling anyone uncooperative with roleclaiming today. There's really no reason to be hesitant at this point.

    I agree with this, but will again ask that the Guard wait for news from the Journalist before taking any action.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah



    decisions, decisions

    ...ahahaha who am I even talking to right now

    December 19, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Jo Nathan said: In other words, they already know who has the power roles.

    white lancer said: ...lol. Reading is fun.

    hezekiah says: {fp}

    What exactly are you proposing we do once we have the 3 groups? Lynch someone from the overpopulated Power Role despite them saying "wait, I'm the Guard / Doctor / PI / Drunk / Journalist / Prosecutor!"?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I really wanted to put white lancer on the chopping block, but I can't do it. When he claims Doctor, it's all over with. I'll have to gamble on Jo Nathan being a townie I guess. UGH.

    My report:

    I checked Bubba's room last night and I saw Jo Nathan entering it. I'm also The Bandit. Hi.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I checked Bubba's room last night and I saw Jo Nathan entering it. No one else entered, so he has to be mafia.

    I don't think Apollo is around, but if you want to wait until she shows up and posts my report to vote for him, then I understand.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I would ask that the Guard not kill Jo Nathan so I can get a point please. :(

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Despite the fact that the Guard has dominated this game, I once again totally forgot about him. FUCK ME. IM SO RETARDED

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Maybe that will be some damage control. I'm so angry with myself.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'll see your {fp} and raise you another {fp}.

    What exactly are you proposing we do once we have the 3 groups? Lynch someone from the overpopulated Power Role despite them saying "wait, I'm the Guard / Doctor / PI / Drunk / Journalist / Prosecutor!"?

    First, you're jus assuming that the power role group will be overpopulated, which isn't necessarily going to be the case. If the Mafia decide their odds are better claiming Sleepwalker/Townie, we've prevented them from having free reign to take out the power roles they most despise. Second, even if they do claim a power role, it's no like it cost us anything to make the attempt as then we can go ahead and claim specific roles. Third, and most important, is the suggestion that's come up several times already: if/when the Mafia decide to have one or more of them claim a power role, all of the power roles can PM their actual role to the Bandit, who would then be able to relay the duplicates to the Town without exposing more than one power role's true identity to the Mafia.

    Also...

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    I'm going to wait for the report to be posted, to confirm your identity as the Journalist.

    Even after the report has been posted, I would like to prolong the round such that the remaining players claim roles. I don't want to rush into anything, and neither should the Guard. If anybody else wants to claim Townie (or any other role), now's the time to do it.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    HOLD OFF ON MY REPORT PLEASE.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Before I do it though, I have another question. If white lancer had actually visited Bubba's room last night, would I know that? Or would it have simply read that white lancer left his room?


    If white lancer visited Bubba's room, you would have only seen that white lancer left his room - not who he visited.

    white lancer visited himself last night, though.

    checked Bubba's room last night and I saw Jo Nathan entering it. I'm also The Bandit. Hi.


    This is the report I will publish? y/n

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Haha, okay.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I just want to make this clear: If the Guard takes this kill, you can forget about any further cooperation from me. : /

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Not to mention that I'm skeptical of Bandit's motivations. He cares not for the ultimate winner of the game; Bandit just wants to tell us who to lynch so he can amass more points. In the absence of a counterclaim, I will believe Jo Nathan's claim of Townie over The Bandit saying that Jo is mafia.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    If the Guard takes the kill, I'll just publicly post that white lancer is the doctor. That may cause me to be lynched, but, well, fuck it. I already royally screwed up and I'm not playing well anyway.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Actually, I'm going to take my vote off Jo for now. I want him dead by the end of the round, but I also don't want this round to go by until everyone has roleclaimed.

    Although this brings up an interesting point...I don't really doubt that Jo is Guilty because he's clearly lied about being a vanilla Townie, but why wouldn't the Mafia have the Godfather make the first vote to avoid Journalist detection? Might we have an inactive Godfather?

    Also, I would like to state that posting from my phone sucks. No other website I've frequented logs me out between starting and finishing a post, but GTX0 does it every single time! >:-{

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    Would the godfather avoid Journalist detection? That doesn't make any sense at all to me.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    While I do want points, lying about who is being lynched would only make you guys not trust any further info from me, meaning I get 1 point for the game. It would be suicide.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Lol'd so hard.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm a townie and The Bandit is a dirty liar who is either Mafia or sold out to the Mafia. I've yet to see any townie counterclaim, and I guarantee you won't see one because the Mafia won't sacrifice one of their own just to get little ol' me lynched.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Not to mention that I'm skeptical of Bandit's motivations. He cares not for the ultimate winner of the game; Bandit just wants to tell us who to lynch so he can amass more points. In the absence of a counterclaim, I will believe Jo Nathan's claim of Townie over The Bandit saying that Jo is mafia.

    Also a good point, and one which might explain why the Mafia kill wasn't invisible last night. If the Godfather is still active, there's no reason they wouldn't lead the charge, so Bandit could simply be lying. Waiting for a Townie counterclaim is a good move IMO.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    I didn't even realize there was only one Townie left. Like holy shit am I bad at this game. I just want to crawl in a hole and die right now.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm making a request to the Guard to please kill me so that you guys can focus the rest of the round on scrutinizing The Bandit and everything he's been saying, and white lancer for being quick to jump at the opportunity to vote for me.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Yes, the Godfather is undetectable by the Journalist - just like how it's undetectable by the Watcher, for example (since the roles operate in a similar manner).

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I never knew that the Godfather was undetectable by the Watcher either. Fuck. I'm so done. Wow wow wow wow.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    OK, let's see. If the Guard kills Jo, they see I'm a liar and they may lynch me. Which I can argue against by posting my report, proving I'm the Journalist, and arguing about how they'll be giving up the lead. I obviously won't get a point this round, but it may not be over.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Remember, you still have a report to publish.

    It's not over 'till it's over. You're very smart, so I'm sure this isn't the end. {:P}

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You're also conveniently forgetting that I was quick to rescind my vote after I gave it more thought, and before I saw hezekiah's posts. But whatever.

    I'm going to request that the Guard NOT honor Jo's request, at least not until we have a Townie counterclaim. Two reasons: 1) Jo could very well be innocent and we'd be killing him for no reason without a counterclaim and 2) Jo could be guilty and pulling a clever scheme (i.e. Goading the Guard into killing him so that Bandit stops cooperating with u, also ruining my plan of using Bandit to keep our power roles hidden). Neither of those are good options for us at the moment and I'd really like to hear other roleclaims before jumping into anything rashly.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    On second thought, since I would like to avoid reducing the town numbers as much as possible, I would prefer that we do what lancer suggested and wait for a Townie counterclaim.

    If someone does counterclaim and you feel there is reason to believe that person over me, I would recommend the Guard kill me so that the counterclaimer is proven a liar - then you can lynch that person, and this round won't have been a complete waste.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    If the Guard kills Jo Nathan, I can publicly ask for a mafia member to contact me. I can give up hezekiah and white lancer to them, then post my report giving up that mafia member. The mafia may see right through this if they realize that my report hasn't been published yet, but I think it's my best back up plan right now.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I also have weid man and Kyon as townie back ups for later use. Definitely not using that ace right now, but later on when people begin to doubt I'll post that.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm still not understanding your argument... as I'm read it, it's basically that the mafia will be better at killing power roles by not killing power roles. Perhaps down the road they'd choose to off the confirmed innocent Townie, but assuming this mass reveal goes off like it should, the mafia will probably be wanting to take out the more damaging roles (Doctor, PI or Guard).


    Exactly what I'm trying to say. :P

    Anyway, bbl. I'll post more after work.

    December 19, 2013
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    Castrael

    "1) Jo could very well be innocent and we'd be killing him for no reason without a counterclaim"

    Exactly what I was thinking, and why I explicitly called for any Townie counterclaims.


    Jo Nathan: Townie (claim) / Mafia (Bandit)
    Yeano: Sleepwalker
    Castrael: Sleepwalker
    MajorasMask9: Prosecutor
    The Bandit: Journalist
    chiefsonny: Sleepwalker
    hezekiah: Sleepwalker
    white lancer: power role
    Pirate_Ninja:
    Helius:
    weid man:
    Zanic:
    Kyon:

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Ironically, my insistence at not naming exactly what role I am is more likely to get me Nightkilled than I would be if I claimed, if only because the Doctor is less scary than the PI/Guard (and also more prone to die by Interceptor). I'm offering myself up here, people--let me do it! :P

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    Also I am seriously questioning that lancer is a town-sided power role. I stated that he was in my top 3 suspects before this fiasco with The Bandit began, so I assure you I'm not accusing him for revenge.

    Furthermore, after we had 1 townie claim and 4 sleepwalker claims, it was pretty safe to assume that everyone else who would roleclaim would have to be a power role, so lancer "revealing" that he's a power role didn't actually provide any new information whatsoever. I'd venture to say he only did it to make himself look a bit more innocent. And of course he's playing it safe by not revealing a specific role.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Yes.... Yes, town, kill Jo Nathan... Dance for me... DANCE...

    December 19, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Yup. Not only would Jo be innocent, but in the absence of a counterclaim he'd be a confirmed innocent and we'd know that trusting Bandit wasn't the best move. If Jo is Guilty, it's only matter of time before we get him anyway (by the end of this round, with a counterclaim), so it's best to wait and see/hear from other people.

    December 19, 2013
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    white lancer

    I just can't believe I made two big mistakes like that in one post. It's so embarrassing.

    This role is fun and all, but I haven't paid nearly as much attention to everyone's posts as I do when I'm a normal role. It's pretty easy for me to plan ahead with this, so I just skim through posts not thinking that it matters because I already know what I'm going to do in the coming round. It's been a huge fuck up for me the entire game, but it's only now really bit me in the ass. At least I learned something I guess, and I'll be able to play more effectively as a third party role later on. But it makes me really sad. :(

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Glad to hear I'm not the only one thinking like that.

    I don't really know how much more there is to say until we get some of the remaining claims...

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I'm happy waiting for a Townie counter claim, but it's a big mistake to assume that Jo is innocent if there is no counter claim. We've had 3 rounds where everyone has been begging for others to reveal roles, and it hasn't been happening.

    We also have weid man and Kyon in this game. I don't think I need to say anything else.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    If someone counterclaims Townie, I sure hope they do it soon and not at the very end of the round. I would very much like the Guard to take one of us out, and this obviously will not happen if the counterclaimer [deliberately] waits too long.

    If we get a counterclaim with, like, only a couple hours left in the round, I hope the town has enough sense to see through it and NOT lynch me.

    The Bandit... I can't help but wonder - did you strike a deal with the Mafia, did the Prosecutor approach you and say I'm their true target, or... or do you just not like me? (cry)

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I've had contact with two people who have claimed power roles. No one else has contacted me, and none have been silly enough to claim mafia. Like I said earlier, I would not strike a deal with the mafia even if they came forward. What could they offer me? The second I lynch a townie, I'm done in this game. The Journalist is, in my opinion, a town sided role who unfortunately doesn't win with the town. I decided to play it as such.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    And I'm just now realizing how powerful that information is. If the Guard kills Jo Nathan, I will reveal both of those people publicly. If you guys decide not to lynch Jo Nathan because of no counter claim, that's something I understand, though obviously disagree with based on the info I have. So I won't go through with it then.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    If (and only if) people feel it best to lynch me even with no counterclaim, then I would reinstate my request to the Guard to kill me before the round ends so that the town can try to salvage the rest of the round before the Mafia get another night kill in, because they only have power roles left to choose from.

    December 19, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I definitely do not want you lynched without a counterclaim.

    I definitely want 5 more roleclaims.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    lol OK then, let me revise my plan:

    If the Guard kills Jo Nathan, I would ask a mafia member to come to me privately and I will gladly give up two power roles. At least then I won't be helping the town by increasing the number of confirmed innocents.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Alright mafia, COME TO ME. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    And then you could turn around and report that mafia member to us for a possible lynch. See how much fun this is?

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I can salvage this so well if they show up. It's just a huge long shot.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Fuck off hezekiah. I hate you so much.

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    And, even if you doubt my legitimacy, was that a very smart thing to publicly say?

    December 19, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Time will tell, won't it (hehe)

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I go to make cookies for a party and I come back to this... IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL (both this day and the cookies)





    idk why I'm posting this here I figure admiring it will help your brain power or something

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    im glad my suffering is a source of amusement for u (cry)

    im done with u have shadowwalked do all the mafia thread updates now................


    I checked Bubba's room last night and I saw Jo Nathan entering it. No one else entered, so he has to be mafia.

    The Bandit




    lmao what just happened

    looks like it's time to modify my plans a bit

    December 19, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    And with a broken heart, I flee.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Host's Note

    Anyone who does not post this round with something game-pertinent will be host-killed. This goes for every day here on out.

    December 19, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Hey now... I just woke up from a deep slumber. Why don't we all calm down a minute while I get caught up on what's been going on.






    Blacker than a moonless night, hotter and more bitter than hell itself... that is coffee.

    From what I understand of this round... I think I can say with a straight face that I don't trust you, The Bandit. We're at a point... where it really is all over. A lying nightwalker and a single claim from the lone powerless townie. The town has done a phenomenal job.



    But you on the other hand, have not. Not a lynch to your name; your articles not having been read buy a single buyer. The town has you to thank for their getting this far, but you made one grave error: you didn't do your role as the Journalist any justice. It's a pity really, for as a town-sided player, you performed wonderfully.



    However, I won't say I'm against lynching Jo Nathan, and I'm certainly not for lynching The Bandit. I think we should simply be wary of what The Bandit reveals to us. If he didn't find anything worth reporting, he'd likely make up his own story just to get his chance to shine on the Winner's Stand. Just look how far I went... With a Godfather in play, I truly find his claim to be legitimate. It is in this Dark Age of journalism, where our Journalists cannot be trusted, the we must rely on our strongest weapon: logic, and evidence. Being oblivious is a heinous crime in itself.

    So let's take it slow and see where this goes with the roleclaims. I for one am not ready to vote yet.

    December 19, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    I don't know what happened, but I like it.

    December 19, 2013
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    Yeano

    I DON'T LIKE THAT APOLLO'S HEART IS BROKEN AND THAT SHE IS FLEEING.

    THAT MAKES ME VERY SAD.

    December 19, 2013
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    Yeano

    Speaking of the Journalist, I find it very interesting that Apollo Justice didn't pass along a story from him yet.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    With a Godfather in play, I truly find his claim to be legitimate.


    I truly cannot find his claim to be legitimate.*

    December 19, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    apollo attempts to flee the thread only to find the door is locked

    she turns around, eyes watering, to find a gift-wrapped envelope sitting on the floor behind her...the attached tag reads "to apollo justice"

    she wipes her eyes, sniffs softly, and unwraps it slowly, carefully, to find a picture of shadowwalked's butt, clothed in the plush red of a santa costume

    merry buttsmas

    December 19, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I find it very interesting that Apollo Justice didn't pass along a story from him yet.


    Where's Shadowwalk?

    He ask to be the host of this game and as far as I can see he has only posted once.

    Why should this all rest on Apollo's shoulders.

    December 19, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    Not sure what Shadow's up to. I mentioned AJ because she recently posted in here and didn't include a news story.

    December 19, 2013
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    hezekiah

    I also find it a bit odd that The Journalist has not yet had an article published.

    You know, The Bandit is claiming that his only way to get points is to have Jo Nathan lynched today.

    I guess the roles document doesn't actually specify that the lynch has to be influenced by an article in order for the Journalist to get points but....

    I guess I would like host clarification. Does the Journalist only get player points if she/he influences the town through her/his articles, or does the Journalist get points by influencing the town in any way?

    December 20, 2013
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    Yeano

    And I'm just now realizing how powerful that information is. If the Guard kills Jo Nathan, I will reveal both of those people publicly. If you guys decide not to lynch Jo Nathan because of no counter claim, that's something I understand, though obviously disagree with based on the info I have. So I won't go through with it then.

    Sure, makes sense. I was already on the 'lynch JN, don't Guardkill him' (if we get a counterclaim, that is) train just because your information and position as a nigh-unkillable 'known' can be really useful. What interests me more is that you already know two players who have roleclaimed privately--if they haven't roleclaimed and we start running out of time, might you be amenable to giving us their names (but not their roles) so we can start to rule people out? I'd very much rather they come forward themselves, but if we don't have other options...

    Anyone who does not post this round with something game-pertinent will be host-killed. This goes for every day here on out.

    I'm not sad about this--just hope our power roles are not among the inactives. I was about to suggest that the Guard use his power on an inactive player anyway (especially with the possibility that the Godfather might be inactive).

    Speaking of the Journalist, I find it very interesting that Apollo Justice didn't pass along a story from him yet.

    Indeed. I never really had much doubt about Bandit's roleclaim, but I'll start to wonder if we don't have a Journalist report soon.

    Why should this all rest on Apollo's shoulders.

    Whatever arrangement Shadow and Apollo had for hosting duties is up to them. As long as there are no complaints from either of them and the game is still being run, I'm willing to give them both the benefit of the doubt.

    Also I told Zanic he should roleclaim. I think he'll be coming along in a few.

    December 20, 2013
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    white lancer

    I am a power role. I know it doesnt really help. Not sure if I should full on role claim. Don't think it really matters at this point, but I will soon.

    December 20, 2013
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    Zanic

    My comment about AJ not posting a Journalist story was meant as a "hm, I wonder why the Journalist is messing with us" and not a "hm, I wonder why AJ's being lazy" sort of thing.

    December 20, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what Bandit's motivations for holding back his article would be. My interpretation of the Journalist was that they only gained points if their article influenced a lynch, but maybe they're doing it differently. Maybe Bandit's waiting to see if the Guard kills Jo before posting his article, just in case...although it's unlikely his article would get anyone else lynched after he already fingered Jo. More likely, though, is that Apollo was just online for a brief time and didn't have a chance to check the Journalist thread.

    I do still think it's highly unlikely that Bandit falseclaimed Journalist or anything like that. But he could certainly be toying with us.

    December 20, 2013
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    white lancer

    [quite]Does the Journalist only get player points if she/he influences the town through her/his articles, or does the Journalist get points by influencing the town in any way?[/quite]

    They get points if the article they publish influences the lynching of the day. If they influence the town in any way, they'd not be getting points for "winning", but for something like good playing.

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Quite life.

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    soooooooo Bandit's claiming that he saw Jo Nathan visit Bubba's house last night. Far as I've thought it through, it seems like either:

    -he just wants to get someone (anyone) lynched to earn a Journalist point
    -he's telling the truth, and Jo isn't really a Townie

    first option is plausible, but as Bandit himself noted, lying for the lynch point would likely blow his credibility when he could still write legitimate reports that lead to the lynching of multiple people. And given the lack of any published articles, someone could easily use that to accuse him of being mafia and get him lynched.

    and then the second option is fuuuuuuuuuuun <y3

    Jo claimed Townie early on (right after Speed was shot...and before that, he asked whether Sleepwalker was visibly distinct from Townie, then said he wasn't a Sleepwalker). Bandit said he has been contacted by two power roles. Jo could potentially be one of the other two. He's not the Doctor, otherwise his visit would've kept Bubba alive. Guard doesn't go out at night, so that's out. Since Bubba hadn't claimed a role, Jo could've been the Drunk trying to find the Interceptor/Godfather. And there's also the chance that he's the PI, since the innocent verdict this morning lines up with the dead Townie he allegedly visited last night. Technically, his visit could also be that of a Sleepwalker, but given that we already have four other claims - only one of which is mafia in disguise - that'd require one of the other Sleepwalker claims be false...and for him to not think that having five Sleepwalker claims is sufficient cause for alarm. He did want to pursue the fact that there were was an extra Sleepwalker claim, but he also moved on to throw his vote to weid (who hasn't claimed anything) with no specified reason. Factoring in how hard he's been pushing the "I'm a Townie" vibe today, I think he could definitely be a power role trying to hide as a vanilla innocent the mafia would want to keep alive.

    I also entertained the idea of it being something the two of them arranged to try and lure the mafia into hurriedly supporting his lynch or something, but that'd require Bandit to trust Jo on his roleclaim when there's no way to prove it. Not impossible I guess, but I'm thinking it unlikely.

    people are getting antsy about the missing claims (and rightfully so), so sometime soon I think I'll claim to be the Townie he has been callously impersonating. I might explain the lateness by saying I wanted to try and keep the power roles safe a little longer since the Majora/Roxas fiasco was the focus of yesterday's lynch effort anyway - rather than help the mafia hunt down important roles, I kept quiet to make their job a little tougher.

    once the town gets around to examining Sleepwalkers, they hopefully won't go after Yeano. If we're lucky, hezekiah's actions this round might draw some suspicion first.

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    I was already on the 'lynch JN, don't Guardkill him' (if we get a counterclaim, that is)


    What's going to happen is, someone (probably the Mafioso) will come along near the end of the round and counterclaim Townie. As long as someone counterclaims, lancer plans on lynching me. No questioning of The Bandit's motives, no questioning the counterclaimer - if someone counterclaims, that's it, I'm auto-lynched. Yeah, once I'm dead, the counterclaimer will be exposed, but at least it will give the Mafia one extra round to try to take out some power roles and maybe get lucky with the Intercepter.

    This is why they are so afraid of the Guard killing me - because it ruins that plan of theirs.

    That's my theory, anyway. But everyone - if I do die, please guard-kill lancer and lynch the counterclaimer in the next round to avenge me.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    as for weid, I had the following thought:

    1. have him make some kind of general "apollo said I need to post about the game everyone how can I help" post

    2. he'll probably be told to roleclaim, at which point he can maybe ask for clarification because he's new to the game ("I want to beat the mafia how do I roleclaim please" sort of thing perhaps) - honestly a legit question for him in all likelihood but just to imply a lack of outside coaching

    3. after "figuring it out" (hopefully someone else will be helpful about it to make it flow, esp. since he pulled some innocent cred earlier and all), claiming the already-crowded Sleepwalker role. We could pick a different role if we do this (not having him claim anything will most likely backfire), but that was my first thought. It's known that there's only one Townie left, so having us both claim that is asking for trouble. The other choice is a power role, but that runs the risk of the real one being able to prove it (or possibly having verified it in private pretty well with Bandit already somehow), plus it coming down to a pretty much straight 50/50 shot...minus any "no he's weid he couldn't be the [role]" doubt.

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Where's Pirate and Kyon? We have yet to hear from them.

    Usually Pirate has something to say too.

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    I'm curious why there isn't a Journalist's report yet. I can understand that Apollo is busy. But she has posted twice and neither of them contained the report. I definately wouldn't be voting for Jo until I see the report as Bandit says it is. If the report doesn't show up before the last 24 hours of the round, I'd start voting for Bandit. At least we know he isn't a Town sided role.

    But if Bandit isn't the real Journalist then why doesn't the real one come forward with an anonymous report. He gets a point if his article influences the day's lynch. So he could easily finger Bandit and get his point.

    I'll have to wait and see.

    December 20, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    ...you're talking like I've had it out for you this entire game, Jo, and I don't think I've said one thing to try to make you look suspicious. I can't tell if you're deliberately misinterpreting my words or not--you've been pretty defensive and hysterical ever since Bandit's post implicated you, but some of the things you've said (like your attempt to paint me as suspicious) really don't make any sense from a Mafia perspective because they won't mean a thing to anyone if you die and flip Mafia. Wanting to be targeted by the Guard first makes almost no sense to me whether you're a Townie or Mafia--if you're a Townie, wouldn't you rather see the counterclaimer go down before you, since you would then survive the game and the Town would be up one in numbers? If you're Mafia, it almost makes a little sense because then you'd break the Town's ties with Bandit, but you getting Guardkilled would also leave a confirmed innocent Townie (the counterclaim) alive.

    Regardless, unless the Guard becomes really convinced that Jo is guilty, it just doesn't make sense for Jo to be Guardkilled, especially now that Bandit's made his ultimatum. Actually, I'd venture to say it's not worth it for the Town in any circumstances--it's much better for the Guard to kill the other Townie claim or, if we don't see the other Townie claim as suspicious, one of the Sleepwalker claims.

    All of that is, of course, assuming that we get a Townie counterclaim at all. I'm mostly just hoping we can get the other four players in here to roleclaim. I think we can expect at least one or two of them to do so, but it'd be so much better if we could get all five. And Cas is right--P_N in particular has been uncharacteristically quiet.

    December 20, 2013
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    white lancer

    I was told to hold off on the Journalist report.

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    He ask to be the host of this game and as far as I can see he has only posted once.

    {:/}

    December 20, 2013
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    Shadowwalked

    At this point, I really hope JN is not the Townie, because none of what he's saying makes any sense unless he's Mafia. I could see a Mafia member realizing that they're screwed and eschewing the chance to get a Townie Guardkilled in exchange for information from the Journalist/breaking the Town's ties with the Journalist, but as a Townie...it's like when people vote for themselves to die: why ask/beg for death when there's still a chance you could get the other guy to die first? Especially when your surviving not only helps you, but your entire team as you wind up as a confirmed innocent?

    Because of that^, I'm almost certain Jo is Mafia, and only the lack of another Townie claim is making me hold back. That makes me think the Godfather is Kyon, weid, or maybe P_N--they apparently missed casting a vote in the last night round. Although...Jo really shouldn't have been the person to cast the vote if it's true, because he was already locked into a Townie claim and there's no way that's true if we believe Bandit. Should have been someone who could have plausibly claimed a power role IMO, but it's making me a little iffy.

    December 20, 2013
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    white lancer

    ...you're talking like I've had it out for you this entire game


    In what way? I don't feel like you've had it in for me this whole game, and I don't see why you get that impression from what I've said.

    I don't think I've said one thing to try to make you look suspicious.


    You were probably hoping The Bandit's stunt would be enough to get me lynched.

    if you're a Townie, wouldn't you rather see the counterclaimer go down before you


    You have been making it sound like you're voting for me no matter what if we see a counterclaim, so that sentence is funny coming from you.

    especially now that Bandit's made his ultimatum.


    The fact he's giving such a threatening ultimatum should tell you he should not be trusted.

    This is really hard to type out on a smartphone. I have more to say later, but this whole situation is laughable.


    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm admittedly not good at these kinds of situations where I'm backed into a corner, so I'm done. I'll let the town decide what's best. If they do decide that I need to die, at least they'll get confirmation on several things. Bonus points if a counterclaimer comes along and incriminates himself.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    The plot thickens.

    December 20, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    Maybe this will get his attention....

    And if he's just a Townie or Mafioso (both are the most boring roles eva, then I dunno what to tell ya.

    Apollo did say that would host kill any inactive players no matter the role.

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    *that she would

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    hm~

    well, this isn't quite what I had in mind, but at this point there isn't much choice. Worst case, either the town or Guard gets all up in my jimmies and I end up dead...but it's not like deliberately avoiding the whole roleclaim business is going to work much better. I can't feign ignorance, and my schedule lately is apparently not working in my favor.

    To be frank, I don't trust this whole thing. but we're not exactly swimming in options.



    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    pbbt~ |:L

    I was hoping to put this off, but it's looking less and less like a good idea because I think the town's focus is shifting away from where it'd be best placed. Despite Jo's insistence to the contrary, I'm the last Townie, and I've deliberately kept quiet about it to try and keep our power roles alive.

    the whole Roxas/Majora dispute yesterday seemed like a solid enough lead that I didn't think the town would benefit as much as the mafia would from me coming forth - my role wouldn't have made a difference either way in that debate, so I thought it'd be more helpful to give the mafia less to go on for their kill last night. I survived, but the fact that a power role wasn't killed last night is exactly what I was hoping for - with the current town lineup, an unverifiable, non-unique role should be the last target on their minds. It helps them in the ratio, but sacrifices much-needed cover in exchange. That's why I said from the beginning that the mass roleclaim made a lot of sense as long as enough people went along with it for the town to benefit from the information gathered. I didn't see much reason to doubt Jo's claim earlier, but numbers don't lie and one plus one doesn't make one.

    that said, between Bandit's ultimatum and the mystery of the extra Sleepwalker, I don't think rushing to take him out is necessarily the right move.

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Can't play. Shouldn't stay. {n}

    December 20, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    ^^

    Apollo did say that would host kill any inactive players no matter the role.


    December 20, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    If you're the last Townie, then Nathan, must be... Mafia.

    But, Nathan also says he's Townie... oh boi.

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    oh also I realized that in my refined statistical analysis up there I forgot to include an increase where Xhin requested a hostkill and we lost another meatshield Townie becase AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    apollo attempts to flee the thread only to find the door is locked

    she turns around, eyes watering, to find a gift-wrapped envelope sitting on the floor behind her...the attached tag reads "to apollo justice"

    she wipes her eyes, sniffs softly, and unwraps it slowly, carefully, to find a picture of shadowwalked's butt, clothed in the plush red of a santa costume

    merry buttsmas


    The true spirit of Christmas lies not in the gifts, not in the materialism and consumerism, not in the Christmas cookies, and not in sitting on Santa's lap...

    but in Shadowwalked's butt

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Jo Nathan is mafia. Bandit is the Journalist.

    Post that when you get a chance, please. I got busy yesterday.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Sure thing. Hope everything's alright.

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    A message from the Journalist has just made front-cover!

    Jo Nathan is mafia. Bandit is the Journalist.


    - Dookville's Journalist

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    What a headline.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    A message from the Journalist has just made front-cover!

    Jo Nathan is mafia. Bandit is the Journalist.


    - Dookville's Journalist
    oh dang, my calendar must be off

    I thought it was only December 20th...

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    DIE MAFIA.

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    Just for the record, despite my claims earlier in the thread, the article delay had nothing to do with the host and everything to do with me.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    God, I hope the Guard doesn't kill PN. They kill Jo, my report tomorrow says "KILL PIRATE NINJA" 2 points :^)

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Yeah, in any case it's possible the Guard will kill someone before your findings can influence a lynch... In any case, I'll take care of that when I hand out the points in case your findings influence a Guard-shot as opposed to a lynching. I should have considered that beforehand {:?}

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    By findings I mean report, since uhh.. your report wasn't exactly your findings. {:P}

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Just saying as a side note but I'm very much enjoying seeing you this active. Or maybe it's just that you haven't been on my team in Mafia for like, 3 or 4 games in a row now (well, except hezekiah's, but we lost that game and it hurt deeply...) {:P}

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    How nice of Pirate to join us finally.

    Well then, the Mafia obviously have something planned or else they wouldn't be sacrificing Pirate for this cause. I wish the town the best of luck.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Watch - just like sheep, they'll flock to lynch me without even a word of question toward Pirate.

    If I die, I urge you guys to lynch The Bandit. He may have been Mafia this whole time. I'm guessing this is why the journalist entry was delayed, because it was someone else writing it who had IRL stuff going on that kept them from the game.

    Also I'm guessing that Cas is the one who lied about being a sleepwalker.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Ok... this is my proposal one last time.

    Guard - please please please kill either me or Pirate_Ninja before this round ends.

    If you kill me, these are the possible outcomes:

  • If I'm Mafia, then my death will benefit the town
  • If I'm the Townie (which is the correct one), you will expose The Bandit and Pirate_Ninja in their lies, which is worth way more than my life as a mere Townie

    If you kill Pirate_Ninja, these are the possible outcomes:

  • If he's Mafia, then his death will benefit the town
  • If he's the real Journalist, then we won't have to worry about him messing with the town anymore
  • If he's the Townie (which is wrong), then you can lynch me and be done with it.

    These are all the reasons why they are fighting tooth and nail against the Guard taking action! Because they are screwed if it happens!

    If I'm lynched, that just gives the Mafia one extra night to kill a power role, maybe more if they get someone with the Interceptor. That is why I would rather die before the round ends so that the town can pick up the pieces and act.

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    Jo Nathan

    I'm going to have to go with Bandit on this one. He finally posted an article. Until otherwise, I will vote along with the Journalist.

    December 20, 2013
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    Zanic

    Guard - please please please kill either me or Pirate_Ninja before this round ends.
    you shouldn't be so eager to potentially sacrifice an innocent unnecessarily - and more importantly, as I said:

    I don't think rushing to take him out is necessarily the right move.

    I think all of this is distracting from a bigger concern: if the mafia thought things through, that extra Sleepwalker claimant is likely the Interceptor. With the Hooker dead, that's the only mafia member you'd expect to see moving around at night. So if a mafia member is going to falseclaim Sleepwalker, they're the most logical choice to do it - being seen on the move after claiming Townie would be a red flag for sure. And if Jo were the Interceptor, Bandit would've learned the hard way by losing his bulletproof vest last night. It might sound risky to ignore an "obvious" kill, but the Interceptor's potential for double kills is the biggest threat to a town victory at this point, so I feel like it could be a huge mistake to let that sit idle for too long.

    Killing an innocent is counterproductive, and every Guard shot comes at the risk of revealing his identity to the mafia. With the possibility of a mislynch, misfire, or double kill every day/night, hurriedly squandering lives and letting the Interceptor run free is a gift to the mafia.

    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    you shouldn't be so eager to potentially sacrifice an innocent unnecessarily


    Killing an innocent is counterproductive


    I just explained at length why it's NOT unnecessary or counterproductive.

    If the Guard doesn't kill me, I will forfeit my game points and do something against the rules to get host-killed so that some progress will be made here.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Ok, well maybe I won't go that far.... This is seriously the most frustrating game I've ever played.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    These are all the reasons why they are fighting tooth and nail against the Guard taking action! Because they are screwed if it happens!

    The reason I'm against the Guard killing you is pretty obvious. I get 0 points if I don't influence the town for a lynch. Outside of that, do what you guys want, though I think killing PN when he's obviously a townie is a bad move for the Town, if that's what the Guard wants to do I don't really care.

    If you want my opinion to test my loyalty or whatever, then I think it would be better for the Guard to sit back and do nothing this round. You guys have a great lead, but the chances of the Mafia getting two night kills are astronomically high.

    Say we kill both, the ratio at the end of the round would be 7-2. The mafia gets two night kills, then the ratio is 5-2. If we mislynch tomorrow, you guys could lose the game.

    On the other hand, we lynch one. If we're right, ratio is 6-2 going into tomorrow and you're comfortable. If we're wrong, ratio is potentially 5-3 BUT you CANNOT mislynch tomorrow, meaning the game will keep going.

    Killing both means you could lose the game. Killing just one makes it impossible for you to lose the game for a good while.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I get 0 points if I don't influence the town for a lynch


    So it's not about you wanting the town to win as you said on day one. It's about points.

    December 20, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    The reason I'm against the Guard killing you is pretty obvious. I get 0 points if I don't influence the town for a lynch.


    That's all fine and dandy, but my arguments all still stand because you don't care if I'm innocent or guilty - you just want me dead. The fact that you gave the town a threatening ultimatum should indicate that you don't care about the town, you just want me dead.

    That's why I'm imploring the town to do something that will shed light on EVERYTHING instead of killing an innocent Townie and giving the Mafia an extra night of killing.

    I think it would be better for the Guard to sit back and do nothing this round.


    Of course you do. Again, all of my points still stand.

    You want the town to do you a favor, but at the detriment to themselves.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Also I'm guessing that Cas is the one who lied about being a sleepwalker.


    I didn't lie.

    December 20, 2013
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    Castrael

    Um... Yes? Obviously I want to perform as best as I possibly can for my role. But, as I've already explained, I think the best way for me to do that is to help the Town.

    I don't know why that would be surprising to you or make you not want to trust me. I don't think I've ever misled anyone by saying that I didn't want points. : /

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    instead of killing an innocent Townie


    Should say "instead of lynching an innocent Townie and giving the Mafia an extra night of killing."

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I don't know why that would be surprising to you or make you not want to trust me.


    {fp} The reason I don't trust you is because I'm the fucking Townie

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    That's all fine and dandy, but my arguments all still stand because you don't care if I'm innocent or guilty - you just want me dead. The fact that you gave the town a threatening ultimatum should indicate that you don't care about the town, you just want me dead.

    I have no idea what you guys keep saying it's an ultimatum lol. My ultimatum is "hey Guard, please don't kill Jo Nathan." That's absolutely the only way I will retaliate. Do ANYTHING else you want, including not lynching you. I just don't want to be fucked over for being too trusting to the Guard.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Of course you do. Again, all of my points still stand.

    If nothing else, this should show you guys that JN is full of shit. He's not responding to anything I'm writing and deliberately misrepresnting my arguments. So let me make it clear:

    Kill both PN and JN this round. Seriously. Go ahead Guard. I. Don't. Care. All I ask is that the Guard kills PN first.

    IF I was a Townie, I think that would be a huge error. But I'm not, so I sincerely don't give a shit.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Killing both really would be like the worst possible move the Town could make, in my opinion. I hope they see that.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    If nothing else, this should show you guys that JN is full of shit.


    You said you want me lynched and not killed by the Guard because you want your point. I responded by saying that doesn't have any bearing on anything I've said - you want me dead, regardless of my alignment. How does that make me full of shit???

    He's not responding to anything I'm writing


    Is that why I've been quoting you multiple times?

    deliberately misrepresnting my arguments.


    How?

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Because you're ignoring WHY I said that the Guard should sit still. You haven't responded to that at all. You're just saying "HE WANTS ME DEAD HE WANTS ME DEAD" over and over.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Asking the Guard to kill PN is such a massive bluff and I hope someone is smart enough to pick up on it. If JN is townie and the Guard goes through with that, I lose everything.

    I messaged PN that Lancer is Doctor and Hez is Town Drunk. I really feel like the Guard is going to kill PN, so I have to try and give them some edge to keep the game going.

    Luckily, even if this round goes as poorly as possible for me, it's not over for me. This role is nice. I can play as bad as I want to and still possibly get points near the end.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Your analysis of the ratio is not something I can refute, so I guess we're at an impasse there.

    It doesn't change the fact that I'm the Townie.

    I hope you don't take anything I say or do personal. I admittedly get way too worked up by these games sometimes, and I'm embarrassed by it, but you must have known that I was going to fight back with everything I've got when you're putting me in jeopardy like that.

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    do something against the rules to get host-killed so that some progress will be made here.


    pls no don't forget the bagels and coffee

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    oh what's this here I seem to have a notification~

    Lancer is the Distracted Doctor. He saved himself last night. Hezekiah is Town Drunk. -- The Bandit


    December 20, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Yeah, I apologize for that Apollo. Like I said: "too worked up", "embarrassed", "that".

    I'm taking a break for the rest of the round. I'll see you all later, unless I die. Good luck, and sorry for making a scene... {fp}

    December 20, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    If you guys honestly feel like Jo Nathan isn't lying, lynch PN today. I can still get my point on him tomorrow. Killing both is just really bad though.

    But, if you think PN is mafia, you have to be saying that he volunteered himself for... some reason with absolutely no benefit at all AND you have to be saying that I am purposefully misleading the Town for a total of 1 point. I also had to pick the absolute worst candidate as my lynch target. The one remaining Townie. It's a horrible strategy for me and PN and, while I can't speak for him, I would never fucking do that. It's role suicide.

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Classic Bandit/anyone argument getting unnecessarily heated.

    December 20, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    Yeah, I apologize for that Apollo. Like I said: "too worked up", "embarrassed", "that".

    I'm taking a break for the rest of the round. I'll see you all later, unless I die. Good luck, and sorry for making a scene...


    No it's okay I understand DON'T WORRY THERE WILL BE WONDERFUL PASTRIES UPON YOUR RETURN <b3

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Step 1) Jo says he's the Townie
    Step 2) Bandit says Jo's mafia
    Step 3) PN says he's the Townie

    The only benefit for PN as a mafia member would be if they valued Jo's Townie life at greater than his own mafia one, and I don't see how the math would work out on that.

    I would now support the Guard killing Jo Nathan. Our lynch would then be either Pirate_Ninja (if Jo Nathan is the Townie) or one of the players yet to claim a role (if Jo Nathan is mafia) (Helius, weid man, white lancerish, Zanicish, Kyon).

    December 20, 2013
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    hezekiah

    (duck)

    December 20, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm almost hoping that the Guard gets revealed, to cross off one power role that the mafia could hide behind. I'm also not too scared by Bandit telling the mafia who myself and another power role (quite possibly the Guard) are, since that would just end up with it becoming public information since we'd naturally reveal ourselves in the main thread. That, or I'd PM everybody in the game (if it's during the night round).

    December 20, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Let's kill Chief

    December 20, 2013
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    Helius

    OK... I missed your post here. So I will get a point if I influence Guard kills? Or...?

    December 20, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I'm very confused now. The vibes that JN is giving off tells me that he's innocent. If he is innocent, then the only possible way that he's innocent is that Bandit is lying and working with the mafia and PN is their little sacrifice to the town to get us to lynch JN. But what I don't understand is if all of that is true, why is the mafia even bothering with all of this? It's just a townie and they seem to be firing all of their guns at once.

    December 21, 2013
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    Zanic

    I don't trust Bandit. I do believe that he is the Journalist, but that doesn't mean that he's working with the town. Something about the way he's posting just seems fishy to me.

    December 21, 2013
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    Zanic

    Yeah, something like that, I'll talk to Shadowwalked about it.

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Guard reveal

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    As The Bandit and Jo Nathan lashed at each other, someone took a step back to take a visual survey of the people of Dookville...

    And he pulled out a gun. No one even noticed as a gun was steadily pointed towards chiefsonny.

    But after the bang and chiefsonny's body crippling to the ground, everyone focused their attention on Helius as he dropped his gun and ran to check chiefsonny's identity.

    chiefsonny was a Sleepwalker.

    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas` - Townie
    6. Helius - Guard
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin - Townie
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny - Sleepwalker
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba - Townie
    18. Kyon
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 7-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker x2, Townie
    Journalist, Prosecutor

    8 votes needed or 72 hours from beginning of Day to end the round.

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Welcome, sleepy chief!

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    'Tis done, my lord.

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    A lot of the times when I play mafia I really start to look into things and think through all of these in-depth plots the mafia could be coming up with. But in the end, almost always it will be the simplest answer.

    Jo Nathan and Pirate_Ninja have claimed townie.
    Yeano, Castrael, hezekiah, and chiefsonny have claimed Sleepwalker.

    Two of them are mafia; that's a fact. And it's the fact we should remain focused on.

    The Bandit is a Journalist and wants to get points. He claims Jo Nathan is guilty. Should we believe him? It's hard to say. Jo Nathan has done a convincing job claiming Townie, and The Bandit has done a few... questionable things in my eyes in regard to bending the truth. He's even essentially threatened the Guard not to shoot Jo Nathan. But I think they should. Jo Nathan WANTS to be guard killed so we can make a better educated lynch this round. If Jo Nathan is a townie, we can confirm that ANY townie claims (Pirate_Ninja) are mafia, and lynch them. If we shoot anyone else right now (except PN) we won't have that advantage. Plus, I doubt The Bandit would reveal power roles anyway. I think that knowing the power roles would be even more beneficial than not, but that's just me. NEVER MIND.

    ANYWAY...

    Yeano Castrael and hezekiah. One is lying. I think we should vote for one of them. I don't trust The Bandit. I think Jo Nathan is likely innocent and I don't feel comfortable voting for either PN or Jo Nathan simply because I feel PN is the most guilty looking by a long shot, but "evidence", forged or not, points away from that being the case.

    I think hezekiah is innocent. I'm not sure about Yeano, but I'm suspicious of Castrael. Before I make any decisions yet, though, I'm going to go re-read the first couple of days. I was admittedly focusing on Roxas most of that time.

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    : /

    December 21, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Yeano Castrael and hezekiah. One is lying. I think we should vote for one of them.

    hezekiah privately claimed Drunk to me. Although the Guard has done great in previous rounds, that kill was terrible and could cost you the game. Not lynching Jo Nathan today will very likely put you in mislynch or lose tomorrow.

    December 21, 2013
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    The Bandit

    That kill was so, so terrible. The Town will have to lynch Jo Nathan now, in my opinion. Anything else is too risky. Although their gut will understandably tell them to not believe me, there's too many arguments for Jo to not go through with it.

    I'm glad I'm not a townie. I would be really mad. My ratio argument should have been a solid lock against the Guard doing anything, and he goes and does it anyway. That kind of fuck up can easily reverse all the right you did in previous rounds.

    December 21, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I think hezekiah is innocent. I'm not sure about Yeano, but I'm suspicious of Castrael.


    Why?

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    I am so lucky. Last game I claim Watcher and get away with it and now this. It's certainly not over, but that was the absolute best possible outcome for me after my horrible play.

    December 21, 2013
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    The Bandit

    I was thinking that the Guard's name was going to start with an H (Helius or hezekiah).

    Question: Would the Godfather be detected entering or leaving a house? He would be found innocent by the PI but he isn't a Ninja right.

    December 21, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    The time you claimed Watcher will forever haunt me and my dreams. Oh god... It... It hurt so much...

    I KNEW YOU WERE MAFIA YOU BUTT AND YOU CLAIMED WATCHER THE ONLY ROLE I DIDN'T KNOW (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Goodness hezekiah, I didn't know you were both a Sleepwalker AND a Drunk... (:$)

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I seem to recall you being very flip-floppy in earlier rounds. You'd go after someone, and then turn away when someone came in with even the smallest arguments. I am a little suspicious of Yeano, but I think I'd trust him.

    white lancer and Zanic both claimed power roles meaning that, if they're telling the truth, they're the Doctor and PI. Meaning weidman is either the real townie or mafia.

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    I should clarify, that last part is assuming lancer and Zanic are telling the truth. I do think white lancer has been a bit suspicious this game, and his insistence on a vague "power role claim" still seems a little fishy to me.

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    I don't know if you read the thread, but I did it just so Flare and Dooku could back off supporting me for a legitimate reason rather than "i shouldn't associate with this guy." So, not only did all the stars align for it to work, but I wasn't even really planning on it working. I fully expected you to just say like "lol" or something and never change your vote. I do think it's a decent strategy to claim a power role when you have a shitton of votes like I did, but I didn't think it was going to work in that scenario.

    I'm REALLY hoping it works again. Everyone's gut seems to be telling them to not vote Jo, just like your gut was telling you I was mafia, but there's so many different reasons why voting for Jo is a good thing.

    December 21, 2013
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    The Bandit

    You'd go after someone, and then turn away when someone came in with even the smallest arguments. I am a little suspicious of Yeano, but I think I'd trust him.


    Yeah, I know I changed my votes around a lot this round and that was my mistake, because I have done that when I was Mafia. But, I can assure you, that I'm not mafia. I am confused as it is. This is why I dislike mass role claims.

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    We can also take a look at those who haven't role claimed anything at all. We have 3 claims for sleepwalkers and 1 is dead. We have two claims for townies. We have two power role claims and we now know the guard. Shouldn't it be fairly easy to go after those who havent claimed anything?

    December 21, 2013
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    Zanic

    wait hezekiah claimed Town Drunk what

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Bad kill, Helius.

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    After Bandit saying I claimed Drunk to him, it took Majora an hour and a half to notice {y}

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    (duck)(duck)(duck)(duck)(duck)(duck)(duck)(duck)

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Nah, the Godfather doesn't have any ability that moves him so he wouldn't be detected. If there was a role that forcibly moved another player to a house and they just happen to pick the Godfather, then yeah, he'd could be detected as entering/leaving but not guilty. No such role exists in any iteration of mafia that I've played iirc.

    Stopped following this game by the way because I don't feel like it anymore.

    December 21, 2013
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    LLight

    hezekiah are you even going to address the sleepwalker/drunk discrepancy?

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Godfather is not detected by the Journalist, so no they are not detected entering a home or leaving their home. It is similar to the Godfather used in Game 19 - also a Ninja-esque role {:P}

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm aware it was a bad kill but I was trying to focus on what I knew and where the Mafia was. I'm sorry, Chief

    December 21, 2013
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    Helius

    hezekiah privately claimed Drunk to me.

    Wait a second...you're all getting on my case for not revealing my role and you were lying about yours the entire time??? {>:(}{fp}{>:(}

    Anyway, since my secret roleclaim strategy has been all shot to hell (seriously, roleclaims work, people, but only if Town-sided players are honest!), I might as well come out as the Public Investigator, especially since my check last night might be pertinent this round. Hezekiah shows up as innocent (though he could of course still be the Godfather).

    Frankly, chiefsonny wouldn't have been my choice for a Guardkill (I found Jo, P_N, and all three of the other Sleepwalker claims more suspicious), but I don't blame Helius for taking the shot. He's done well thus far and we thought we knew one of the Sleepwalkers was Mafia--we were going to have to narrow them down eventually. Plus, the Sleepwalkers' ability is going to be detrimental to us and increase the chance of a double Mafia kill as long as the Interceptor is around. I'd rather he take the shot than not. What I'm more worried about now, though, is the identity of our last two non-claimed players. If they're both Town-sided, no matter their role, we're in a world of hurt if/when they get Host-killed at the end of the round because the ratio will suddenly be extremely tight.

    I don't see how we can justify not taking out one of P_N/Jo Nathan this round--we have a 50% shot of hitting a Mafia member that way (assuming no more shenanigans from Town-sided players) and a 100% shot the next round if we're wrong. Meanwhile, we can't even be sure that any of the Sleepwalker claims are Mafia now (I'd lean towards the odds being against all of them being Town-sided, but...). The question is which one to hit first, and frankly, there are pretty good reasons to suspect either one:

    Jo Nathan
    -Has been very defensive and almost hysterical ever since Bandit posted, even before we had a counterclaim.
    -Seemed determined to stake out his position as the last Townie from the very start of the round, almost as if he knew it would come into question
    -Kept pushing the strategy to Guardkill him even though (for reasons I've already explained) that would only hurt the Town no matter what his role. This is akin to players who suicide-vote for themselves in order to 'prove' something--I will almost always take them at their word because it strikes me as more of a desperation Mafia move than a Town move. There are very few circumstances where getting yourself killed is preferable to getting the counterclaimer killed first, and this is not one of them at all.
    -Bandit's Journalist reports virtually confirm Jo as Guilty...but only if we trust them.
    -P_N's claim as Townie would be unnecessary for a Mafia member--they could be almost assured of a Townie death, but they'd still be sacrificing themselves; falseclaiming a power role is almost certainly a better choice in this circumstance because it gives a chance to get the real power role lynched and you have a 50% chance of getting killed second either way.

    Pirate_Ninja
    -Has been uncharacteristically quiet this entire game
    -Was uncooperative with the roleclaim (though apparently he wasn't the only one...)
    -Sort of a refutation of the point above--if P_N were Mafia, he would theoretically have a 50-50 shot at surviving the round either way, but the Journalist results were probably enough to make Jo more than 50% likely to be the first to die. On the other hand, P_N did claim after I made the suggestion that Guardkilling the second Townie claim and then (potentially) lynching JN made more sense, so you could argue it's the other way around. Either way, the unclaimed Mafia members knew they were looking at a 50-50 (or more than that, depending on what the Guard did) shot at death today no matter what, so maybe they thought their chances were better at getting Jo lynched?
    -If P_N is Mafia, Bandit is lying to us and cannot be trusted, which will throw a number of my assumptions about this game out the window and effectively mean that the ratio is further against us than I thought.

    So...yeah. Looking at all of that definitely makes me lean towards Jo Nathan, but with the ratio about to be screwed up in who knows what ways I'm feeling way more stressed out about this than I should at 7-3. I still think we need to choose between these two, but I'm willing to listen to other people's arguments before casting my final vote.

    December 21, 2013
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    white lancer

    ...I meant to highlight hezekiah name in green, but apparently I don't know the difference between a 'g' and an 'i.' {fp}

    December 21, 2013
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    white lancer

    ...and I'm also forgetting apostrophes. It was a late night last night, guys.

    December 21, 2013
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    white lancer

    Heh, it's the first time I haven't been super busy in my spare time in a good while. A few of my personal issues have been sorted out and I'm feeling a bit more relaxed now, so of course I jump to Mafia to stress myself out. {:P} But it's certainly a LOT more fun for me when I take an active role in playing the game, even if people ALWAYS find me suspicious for some reason.

    I don't really expect the Mafia to buy my PI claim, simply because the way I've acted thus far isn't really consistent with me being the PI. I figure they probably already had me fingered as the Doctor, or maybe the Drunk. And I'm also not even sure if I can trust Zanic, who tells me he's the PI, but we haven't had a counterclaim (though this will be a good way to draw one out if there's one out there) and I figure my role is the least valuable power role at this point anyway. I gotta give you credit for the Interceptor role, Apollo and Shadow--that's really what's helping to keep this game feeling close! I'm really not sure what I'm going to do with my save tonight (it's probably between Zanic and Helius, with hezekiah and not using it at all as second-tier options).

    I just hope that if/when Kyon and weid man die, the ratio isn't so screwed that it kills the game. That would be an unfortunate way for it to end.

    December 21, 2013
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    white lancer

    Jo Gaythan is in the KKK.

    December 21, 2013
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    weid man

    Thank you for joining us, weid. Would you care to share your role?

    December 21, 2013
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    white lancer

    He can only claim Mafia, I believe.

    Unless someone hasn't claimed Doctor yet?

    We have two townies, 3 Sleepwalkers (one of them Mafia) if we can nail them down, we'll get a Mafia. Unless this has been cleared up already...

    Guard has been taken

    Lancer claimed one of the Power Roles.

    I'm unsure about PI, Town Drunk, Doctor, so a recap would be nice.

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    3 Sleepwalkers (one of them Mafia)


    Make that 2. forgot about the shot. So, that makes either Yeano or Hezy Mafia. One of them, a power role. Or, both of them are Mafia and they teamed up.

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    weid, this is your second warning to stop making inappropriate comments.

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    And your final warning.

    December 21, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm unsure about PI, Town Drunk, Doctor, so a recap would be nice.


    Feel free to email me at majorasmask9@gmail.com if you need a recap.

    December 21, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Not sure if I should full on role claim. Don't think it really matters at this point, but I will soon. - Zanic, Thursday

    Is it soon now?

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Pirate_Ninja - Townie, NOT Public Investigator
    Jo Nathan - Townie
    Yeano - Sleepwalker
    Helius - Guard
    weid man
    Castrael - Sleepwalker
    MajorasMask9 - Prosecutor
    white lancer - Public Investigator
    The Bandit - Journalist
    Zanic
    hezekiah - Town Drunk
    Kyon - NOT Public Investigator

    Sleepwalker, Sleepwalker, Town Drunk, Public Investigator, Guard, Distracted Doctor, Townie, Mafioso, Godfather, Interceptor

    I think I believe the claims by PN, Yeano, Helius (duh), Cas, Majora, lancer, Bandit, hezekiah. If I'm right, that would mean that weid, Zanic and Kyon are the remaining mafia members. Sounds good to me.


    PN hasn't voted at all yet, that's a bit odd.
    Neither has Kyon, but that doesn't surprise me.
    weid voted with the group all 3 days, the absolute minimum effort possible.
    Yeano's been quite inactive, and only voted for himself. That's really fucking helpful. He's all but confirmed as a Sleepwalker, but he's definitely not pulling his weight this game.
    Helius is confirmed to be the Guard.
    white lancer claimed to be the PI, would be an odd time for a mafia to claim that role. I may end up targeting him tonight to confirm his role, but probably not.
    Zanic's too damn quiet.
    Jo claimed townie early, almost as if it was something he (or they?) decided overnight.
    Bandit is confirmed to be the Journalist.
    Majora's still participating, but he's the one with no reason to. He's already got his win condition satisfied, so he's a wildcard now.
    Cas appears to be a truthful Sleepwalker.

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Since everyone should already guess what I am, I'll just roleclaim.

    I am the Distracted Doctor. I wanted to hold off on role claiming a bit longer, but it seems that won't happen. As of right now, I have no clue who to vote for anymore.

    December 21, 2013
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    Zanic

    Zanic hasnt role claimed yet? He's a bit late, yea. I mean, when was this?

    Just did majora.

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    Oh yeah, forgot about one of PN/Jo being mafia. That obviously frees up Zanic to be the DD as he claims.

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Scratch my last reply, then.

    We got the guard, doctor, lancer confirmed he was a power role so he's either the PI, or town drunk.

    Weid or yeano still have a chance oh and hezy if he's still the sleepwalker

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    And I forgot about kyon. He has yet to role claim

    December 21, 2013
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    Castrael

    I'll save Majora the trouble:

    Zanic is Doctor
    lancer is PI
    Heilus is Guard
    1 of PN, Jo is Townie
    2 of Yeano, Castrael, hezekiah are Sleepwalkers
    Majora is Prosecutor (Roxas)
    Bandit is Journalist
    Kyon and weid have not claimed roles

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    We still know that either Jo or PN is lying about being the Townie. I'd really like to see one of them lynched ASAP to prevent any end-of-round shenanigans.

    December 21, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Yes, I thought so. kyon and weid are mafia. One of the sleepwalkers are mafia... it has to only make sense and PN and Nathan need to re claim again.

    December 22, 2013
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    Castrael

    2 of Yeano, Castrael, hezekiah are Sleepwalkers

    hezekiah

    so wait, does this mean you falseclaimed Drunk in private to Bandit, or that he was lying when he said you made that claim?

    December 22, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    so wait, does this mean you falseclaimed Drunk in private to Bandit, or that he was lying when he said you made that claim?

    I would very much like to know the answer to this question. Hezy has posted several times and hasn't mentioned that at all.

    If we counted hezy as a power role claim, we have four roleclaims for four power roles, two Sleepwalker claims for two Sleepwalkers, and two Townie claims for one Townie...along with Kyon and weid. I don't know if weid's post earlier counts as 'something game pertinent' (although it did contain a vote, so maybe so), but we're running out of time so Kyon could very well get the Hostkill. If he doesn't, I think he'd be a good target next round anyway, especially if we kill Jo and he flips Mafia. The one weird thing about Bandit's story from last night was that he caught someone entering Bubba's room at all, but it makes perfect sense if Kyon or weid are the Godfather and simply weren't around to cast their vote. Beyond that...so much depends on what Kyon/weid are and if they get Hostkilled. If I had to guess, it's most likely that they flip Mafia or Sleepwalker, maybe Town Drunk. Regardless, the course of action will be pretty clear once we know who they are, and once we get the results from today's lynching.

    I'm going to go ahead and throw my vote in against Jo. He's struck me as a lot fishier this game (particularly this round) than P_N, and I do want to make sure we get a lynch in this round between the two of them. It'll have the added benefit of helping us to know how much we can trust Bandit.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    I hate to bring this up in the main thread, but...I seem to recall Kyon virtually quitting one game when he wound up on the same team as weid man. Wonder if something like that might have happened again...

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    I agree. I would hate to loose another of our own, but it'll help ultimately. Also, Nathan seemed more defensive than Pirate and I believe more I think in this game.

    I say: what do we have to lose? We know who the Mafia are, we just need to rule them out.

    If you end up townie, no hard feelings. Pirate will be our next vote.

    December 22, 2013
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    Castrael

    *believe Pirate

    December 22, 2013
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    Castrael

    Ratio: 12-5-2 Day 1

    Ratio: 7-3-2 Now.

    Looks like the town is going down in flames again.

    December 22, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    Theoretically,

    If Jo Nathan is lynched today (likely) and Kyon is host-killed (likely), then the ratio will be 5-3.

    Then essentially if we kill two people (pressure's on for me), we WIN AFTER THE NIGHT ROUND!!!

    IS THIS REAL LIFE?!

    December 22, 2013
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    Yeano

    Just a few more hours, boys and girls. You'll see just how "full of shit" I am. {;)}

    December 22, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    I'm not even sure what is going on anymore but the town seems to have misplayed everything pretty badly the past couple of rounds. It hasn't guaranteed a mafia victory but I'd say their odds are better than slim.

    December 22, 2013
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    Speed Bike Pro
     

    I'm having a hard time voting for Jo Nathan when hezekiah (and possibly The Bandit) have blatantly lied this round, hezekiah doing whatever he can to sidestep any questions about it. I can't say I trust The Bandit, everything about his actions this round have been shady. I do think he's the Journalist, obviously, but I don't trust him.

    This won't do much this round but:

    December 22, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    -shrug- Hez claimed Drunk to me. I never really questioned it because I didn't have much reason to, but we haven't seen a counter claim yet so I'm inclined to believe him. Although his move did basically cost us chief, I don't really blame him. He rightly thought that we were focusing on PN and Jo and so probably didn't see any reason to come forward until next round. He couldn't anticipate the Guard would take a shot like that.

    Though I have to admit that it is weird that he's demanding others come forward while lying about his own role. If he really wanted a role claim that badly he should have properly claimed his own role. : / It's possible weid or Kyon is the real Drunk. Despite the lack of roles remaining, I find it really hard to believe that weid is mafia based on everything that was said way back in Day1.

    December 22, 2013
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    The Bandit

    The hezekiah thing is weird, no doubt, especially how he hasn't commented on it at all. Definitely something to explore further next round...assuming some crazy combination of Hostkills/Mafia kills doesn't somehow end the game for us.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    Heh. It occurs to me that a day or two ago, part of me was actually hoping JN was a Townie so he could see just how wrong he was about me. I suppose now it's possible I'm about to feel that in reverse. I do think he's more likely to be Mafia than P_N, just because his Guardkill plan made zero sense (seriously, instead of pushing to be killed yourself, push for the other guy to be killed! It accomplishes exactly the same thing except you don't die and the Town keeps a confirmed innocent!), but I always wonder especially when things are pretty much locked in like this.

    I'm also still not sure about trusting Majora, so I've paid not much attention to what he's said this round. Except, of course, to note that it's remarkably similar to what JN has said this round, which would lend credence to him not being trustworthy if JN flips Mafia.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    Jo Nathan smirked as Pirate_Ninja tied his hands behind his back, and hauled him over his shoulder.
    "Oh, this is gonna be great." Jo Nathan muttered under his breath.

    Pirate_Ninja brought Jo Nathan to a large bucket of water. He submerged Jo's head in it, and Castrael joined her hands to help keep Jo's head down. He was flailing and kicking, but after about 2 minutes, Jo's body went limp.

    "Goodnight, Sweet Prince."

    Clickity... Clackity...

    Yeano walked over to check Jo's identity. He let out a heavy sigh after reading his ID, and turned around, facing the town.

    "At least we can say with certainty this time that this is the last time we kill a Townie."

    Just as the Town was freaking out over the loss of yet another member, Kyon was walking around aimlessly with his eyes closed. He was mumbling something to himself....

    "Nnngg.... Need snapchat... Sddffff... zzzz...."

    But he collapsed... and died. Kyon was a Sleepwalker.

    Players:

    1. Pirate_Ninja
    2. Jo Nathan - Townie
    3. Yeano
    4. Speed Bike Pro - Hooker
    5. `Roxas` - Townie
    6. Helius - Guard
    7. weid man
    8. Castrael
    9. MajorasMask9
    10. white lancer
    11. Xhin - Townie
    12. The Bandit
    13. chiefsonny - Sleepwalker
    14. Zanic
    15. Hindenburg - Marksman
    16. hezekiah
    17. Bubba - Townie
    18. Kyon - Sleepwalker
    19. Lady Flare - Virgin

    Ratio: 5-3-2

    Roles:
    Godfather, Interceptor, Mafioso
    Distracted Doctor, Public Investigator, Guard, Town Drunk, Sleepwalker
    Journalist, Prosecutor

    24 hours or until all actions are in to end the round.

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Welcome, Jo Nathan and Kyon.

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    You may now choose someone to spy on.

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Mafia, you may now kill someone.

    Interceptor, you may target someone for a killing.

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    {O:-)}

    You may now choose someone to save tonight - just not yourself!

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Oh my, oh my, oh my...

    You may now choose someone to investigate tonight. {:P}

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    At this point in the game, I think Helius is our biggest threat if we go to another day round.

    However (mmm), we may be able to win now if you choose to kill someone who isn't protected and I choose a good target!

    Ehhhh... I hate these tough decisions.

    December 22, 2013
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    Yeano

    So who'll it be tonight, dearest King of Judah?

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'd also like to point out that Majora will probably be willing to vote with the mafia next round so that I can win.

    December 22, 2013
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    Yeano

    Randomized Sleepwalker visits Night 3

    Castrael visits white lancer

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    PN: Townie
    Yeano: Sleepwalker claim
    Helius: Guard
    weid: should have been hostkilled
    Cas: Sleepwalker claim
    Majora: Prosecutor
    lancer: PI
    Bandit: Journalist
    Zanic: Doctor

    PN is mafia
    One of Yeano and Cas is mafia

    I feel like the obvious play is to target PN, but the Interceptor would probably be thinking the same thing.

    Yeano

    December 22, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Seriously, fuck all this motherfucking inactivity.

    December 22, 2013
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    hezekiah

    Turn out the lights, the party's over.
    The Mafia wins again.

    December 22, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    (cry)

    December 22, 2013
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    Lady Flare

    weid: should have been hostkilled


    Before the round ended (and I'm pretty sure I told you on Skype), I said a vote would be enough to count - Kyon usually comes in at the very least to make some comment and make a vote, so that's why I had decided that much {:?}

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Let's see if I do this right...

    [spoiler]The Town Drunk targeted the Interceptor, so there won't be two kills tonight, so the game can't end I don't think[/spoiler]

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    (cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)(cry)

    DON'T LOOK IT'S A SPOILER

    how i do spoiler tags

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    And I don't feel that weid's level of participation has been anywhere close to enough this game.

    December 22, 2013
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    hezekiah

    who are you

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    []text[/]

    [hide]

    December 22, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    [/hide]

    December 22, 2013
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    chiefsonny
     

    IS THIS REAL LIFE?!
    this may not be exactly the way I was thinking of getting here (I hoped at first that Jo might've been a power role trying to stay alive so he'd relinquish the Townie spot, or that the Sleepwalker diversion would take)...but that was the plan, more or less~ c:


    if we don't get rid of Helius and there's a Day 4, I'll very likely eat a bullet for breakfast come sunrise. It's now obvious I lied about my role, and shooting obvious mafia would be a good idea with the ratio likely at 4-3. Even if we don't end things tonight, killing him would at least force them to use a lynch on me. If we let him live and the game continues and he shoots me, the two of you will need to avoid a lynching one way or another (now with only one Sleepwalker spot open to claim). Maybe doable, but I don't know how much you like the idea (and I'd be too dead to lend a hand...that nobody would listen to anyway).


    I didn't get an answer for this earlier (HEEEEEY APOLLOOOO~) but assuming it works (it certainly sounds like it should):

    my other question was whether it'd work to mafia kill (with the Interceptor as the first vote) and intercept the same person in an effort to, for example, kill the Doctor and his protection target at the same time

    ...we could have you vote first for Helius/Helius so that you're the one making the nightkill visit. If that's even necessary - do fellow mafia members count as other visitors in the case of the Interceptor that could get him caught, or are they ignored as allies?


    if we do that...
  • and the Doctor is on him, that should be game
  • and the Doctor is one of multiple visitors (PI or Drunk by choice or the remaining Sleepwalker at random), we're screwed if the intercept doesn't kill the Doctor (Helius would live and you'd be publicly outed)
  • and the Doctor isn't there, we get a dead Guard to work with (and if an unprotected innocent visits we could win)


    However (mmm), we may be able to win now if you choose to kill someone who isn't protected and I choose a good target!
    and as for this, I think my choice for a regular nightkill would be lancer (especially if we trust what Bandit said). If he is protected though, we'd be in for it. Intercepting would be a little tricky, since leaving the Guard alive and letting the game continue forces you guys to play it cool another day. Again, that's more a question of whether you think you'd be cool with that.

    think it over; I'll be pondering and we can skype it out later for convenience or something.


    also, if the game does continue (and especially if weid is pressured about his lack of a role), the discrepancy over hezekiah's role could be a chance to have someone publicly explain the idea of a roleclaim to weid (I honestly believe he doesn't know, and not understanding the idea would be a reasonable excuse for having never claimed when the general rule of thumb is "don't give out your role") and maybe have him casually counterclaim Drunk if the need arises.

    • December 22, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Well, this is tricky. I knew JN sounded innocent. My theory about Bandit working with the mafia and using PN as bait was probably accurate. I'm actually sort of hesitant to check someone tonight because if the interceptor kills someone along with a night kill, they win. But I'm going to check because there's not much hope left anyway.

    I'll check Castrael as I'm almost positive the remaining mafia are Yeano, Castrael, and Pirate Ninja.

    December 22, 2013
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    Zanic

    Awesome. I'm not sure I've ever been so 'sure' of someone's guilt when they were actually innocent as I was with Jo Nathan. Suicidal Town members are never beneficial to the Town! If Jo hadn't pushed that Guardkill angle so much, Helius may have chosen to Guardkill P_N (like I kinda wanted him to) and Jo might have survived.

    The ratio has suddenly swung to 'unfavorable.' My power is still very risky, so I guess I'm going to have to hope that they don't pick the person I pick/a Sleepwalker or someone hits the same one I do. If our Sleepwalker claims are legit, two of them are Mafia and weid man has to be the Town Drunk. Bandit threw a wrench into that with his thing about hezekiah, but we certainly can't trust Bandit anymore.

    I think the Guard is most crucial to our survival at this point in time, so I'm going to choose to save Helius. If the game's still going in the morning, we'll need Helius' ability to get some breathing room, especially since we have a confirmed Mafia member in P_N. The only other way we could accomplish this is if Helius really is targeted and I save him, or if the Town Drunk hits the lead Mafia member and prevents the Nightkill. Hrm.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    Let's see if we can do some emergency OOG coordinating. It'll be tough and the fact that weid's never claimed anything (and that hezy never addressed Bandit's claims, which is so weird) is making me nervous, but we don't have a lot of options here and I'm going to have trust someone (like I'm trusting Zanic right now). Just hope that I can get ahold of weid before the night round ends. To that end, I'm going to rescind my action against Helius for the time being, just to make sure the round doesn't end early. Or, if you'll allow it, I'm just going to delay my action to protect Helius until the 24-hour time period has passed--I figure this should be okay since the Mafia are always allowed to extend the round anyway.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    I'll spy on hezekiah. Assuming he's not the Interceptor I feel like that's where the Interceptor is most likely to go to catch the Investigator, and the Town needs some help.

    December 22, 2013
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    The Bandit

    My plan is as follows:

    Get weid man (hopefully the Drunk) and Zanic (hopefully the PI) to check either Cas or Yeano tonight. Hopefully we'll hit the Interceptor or Godfather and prevent one of the two possible Nightkills, and they'll cover each other to prevent the Interceptor from getting either of them if the person they select isn't him. I'll tell weid that I'm the PI and that Zanic is covering me, just in case. But at this point I basically just need to trust some people, and if I trust the right people it'll give us the best chance of surviving the night.

    If not, we're pretty well screwed anyway and this night round will largely be up to luck of the draw. Also hoping that the Prosecutor/Journalist don't vote along with the Mafia to end the game, because if they do that, we're screwed anyway unless we manage to prevent both Nightkills. I really hope the Town Drunk didn't attempt to falseclaim Sleepwalker, because if they did they've really screwed us over this game--in addition to messing with my plans tonight, they'll have contributed to the deaths of chiefsonny AND JN--the Guard probably wouldn't have targeted a Sleepwalker last day round if there were only three Sleepwalker claims, making PN the next most logical choice, so JN might have survived. Roleclaims are really helpful if you can make the assumption that Town-sided roles will tell the truth, but if one or two people lie it really just gives the advantage back to the Mafia.

    [and yes, I realize the irony in me saying that when Zanic and I are already lying about our roles, but there are much fewer ways that lie could go wrong. Especially since our one confirmed innocent, Helius, knows about our deception :)]

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    I'm also attempting to contact hezekiah. If he tells me he's not the Drunk, great. Fantastic, even. If he tells me he is, I'll tell him we're doing much the same plan, but I'll tell him the opposite of our target to try to throw him off. Even if I'm wrong and weid man is Mafia while hezy is the Drunk, we'll have a shot at having hezy block one of the Nightkills.

    December 22, 2013
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    white lancer

    Show Spoiler


    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm just going to delay my action to protect Helius until the 24-hour time period has passed--I figure this should be okay since the Mafia are always allowed to extend the round anyway.


    Absolutely~ !! {O:-)}

    December 22, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I AM GODOT

    December 23, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    do fellow mafia members count as other visitors in the case of the Interceptor that could get him caught, or are they ignored as allies?

    Nope, fellow mafia members are ignored as visitors.

    December 23, 2013
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    Shadowwalked

    I vote to kill white lancer.

    December 23, 2013
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    weid man

    I choose to intercept Pirate_Ninja.

    December 23, 2013
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    Yeano

    this is weird, when did we get a Townie thread...?


    also I will agree with weid's vote so there

    December 23, 2013
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    Pirate_Ninja

    Sadly, my beautiful plan is looking less and less foolproof. By that, I mean that neither hezy nor weid are responding to any of my messages. I guess I'll just have to hope that they got them in time to act on them. Or maybe we'll just get lucky in the night time.

    More probably, we'll wind up with one or two deaths in the night and pretty much be screwed tomorrow. We'll see.

    December 23, 2013
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    white lancer

    Hah, lancer just sent me a notification begging me to target Yeano tonight.

    December 23, 2013
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    hezekiah

    You take Yeano out for a night he won't forget.

    And he surely won't be able to complete any night actions in the meantime.

    December 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    hezekiah leaves his house...

    ... and then returns at dawn!

    December 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Save target: Helius

    December 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Castrael is Innocent.

    December 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Interception target: PN

    Mafia kill: white lancer

    December 23, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

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