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night 3 feeling a bit vengeful

Posted June 9, 2013 by White Thunder

As the town woke up and rolled out of bed, they all wondered why they had such terrible nightmares the night before. It couldn't be THAT bad, could it...? Well, yeah, it could.

First they found the body of Speed Bike Pro. At first they thought he was just being his normal goofy self and pretending to still be asleep- after all, it was 2 AM. But they rolled him over and found a poison dart in his neck. Ironic that he couldn't stop it from happening because he was the Doctor.

As if that wasn't bad enough, the town searched for some Mafia blood but couldn't find any. And why was that? Because the only other body they found was that of their Vigilante, white lancer. What a tragic night indeed.

1. white lancer- Vigilante
2. Speed Bike Pro- Doctor
3. Hindenburg
4. Kyon
5. Roxas
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9
8. Apollo Justice
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack
11. Castrael
12. Feral- Silencer
13. Black Yoshi
14. weid man
15. Trever Leingod
16. igga
17. The Bandit
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano
20. Zanic
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku
24. hezekiah
25. Llight- Apprentice
26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
27. Shadowwalked

Town-Mafia ratio: 15-7

Town roles: Cop, Governor, Double-Voter, Lazarus, Townie x11

Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Hooker, Mafioso x7[/r[

72 hours or 14 votes to end the day round.

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Well. This is looking promising.

June 9, 2013
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igga

I'm not a good enough mafia player to know if I should keep this thought close to the chest for now or not, but I'm naturally an out in the open kind of person anyway, so whatever. It is too much of a coincidence in my opinion that we get a weird Cop claim (who, for some reason, did not want to reveal his results when he claimed) and then that night the doctor, the only person who can protect our cop, (the person he "checked") dies. With both Lancer and Speed being power roles, the mafia must have known one of their roles. It is possible that Lancer killed Speed, but why? Speed was the first to vote for Feral. It would be an insanely risky play.

So, who is the most likely person that Speed would reveal his role to? It's almost 100% positive that he and Apollo were at least discussing the game- they both voted for Feral mere minutes apart. If he would tell his role to anyone, it would be Apollo.

I don't know if Yeano is really guilty or not, but I feel pretty good about Apollo.

June 9, 2013
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The Bandit

I am still trying to understand that last push for Feral out of nowhere. Imo the Mafia most likely sacrificed their own, they sure have a few to spare with the lead. Since Roxas made BS accusations and went after Speed, I'm gonna go after him. Also should mention I am not convinced Yeano is the cop, if he is legit he will die tonight unless the mafia think it is worth keeping us guessing a bit longer at the risk of more of them being exposed.

June 9, 2013
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#85

If Roxas was mafia (and you're not mafia) it would have been all too easy to just vote for you to tie up the game and not lose Feral at all. Like, absurdly simple. He had been gunning for you the entire time.

June 9, 2013
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The Bandit

Pretty much confirmed Yeano will die tonight even if he isn't the cop, the mafia has nothing to lose by believing him unless he is mafia but then cop claim would've been suicide. If he isn't the cop, he's likely town sided.

June 9, 2013
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Redack

I still think Yeano's cop claim is BS. But I'm also very suspicious of Apollo. If the mafia doesn't kill Yeano, I think it's safe to assume he's actually mafia. The mafia wouldn't let him live and risk another cop result coming out.

Voting for Apollo.

June 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Alright, it's time to stop pretending you had real life issues, Feral. Fferal...?

What The Bandit said about the Apollo/Speed relationship is possible, but I don't see why she would vote for #85, the mafia's silencer of all people.

Was Lancer able to use a kill the same night he died?

June 9, 2013
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Bubba

^Change #85 to "Feral".

June 9, 2013
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Bubba

Alright, I like Bandits theory. Sort of plays into mine.

June 9, 2013
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#85

hhhhhhhh I didn't even realize Apollo voted for Feral.

I want to think this over a bit more...

June 9, 2013
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MajorasMask9

Alright, it's time to stop pretending you had real life issues, Feral. Fferal...?


You are aware he is quite dead yes?

June 9, 2013
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Redack

I wanna think more too.

June 9, 2013
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#85

going to have to agree with weid:

FUCK


June 9, 2013
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Pirate_Ninja

I have to agree with The Bandit. For them to take out 2 of the towns most important power roles in one night imo had to be the results of OOG talking.

And it's the thing that's going to fuck this game up to the point that's it's not worth playing anymore.

The Doctor and the Vigilante in one night. Give me a fucking break.

June 9, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

If Roxas was mafia (and you're not mafia) it would have been all too easy to just vote for you to tie up the game and not lose Feral at all. Like, absurdly simple. He had been gunning for you the entire time.

I wasn't comfortable with three votes over two in the closing moments of the round, so I put another vote on Feral for good measure and prevent a tie. It would have been better to get some sort of result (with an outcome that may not have played well) than no result by tying the vote.

I still think Yeano's cop claim is BS.

I agree. I find it odd that:

1) He would even role claim with just one result which doesn't guarantee he's the Cop.
2) How early in the game he would role claim. (a bit hypocritical coming from me)
3)His claim would be one thing if he had two guilty verdicts (which we know it wouldn't be), but not one innocent.

So I do have some red flags about Yeano. We won't be getting a result from him tomorrow unless the Hooker didn't visit him, which is doubtful.

But I'm also very suspicious of Apollo.

I can't say I feel the same at the moment, but I do see how Speed's death can cause such suspicions.



  • Until we get more replies this round, I won't be logging an official vote yet.

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    `Roxas`

    Let's keep in mind that the Vigilante goes before the Doctor in priority, so it's entirely likely lancer went after Speed. He [lancer] did the same thing last game in gunning early for other players.

    I don't think it's that great to blatantly assume that it's only the Mafia doing the killing. I still don't think that the Assassin has made a kill. Of all the players that have died (especially after last game), I don't see any of them revealing their role OOG.

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    The Mafia magically know who every fucking role is. Only one person has that kind of power.

    June 9, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Jo Nathan Voted for Redack

    I see (shifty)

    Let's keep in mind that the Vigilante goes before the Doctor in priority, so it's entirely likely lancer went after Speed. He [lancer] did the same thing last game in gunning early for other players.

    The Mafia probably knew his role if he was telling anyone on Faded Enigma, since we have multiple players this game who reg there. I'd like to think Lancer didn't do it, but you never know :/

    June 9, 2013
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    Redack

    I suspect that I accidentally gave lancer away when I drew comparisons between his motive behind going after hez last game, and the possible motive for FAW's death.

    Something like that is exactly the kind of little detail someone like Redack would be able to pick out!

    June 9, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    The Mafia probably knew his role if he was telling anyone on Faded Enigma, since we have multiple players this game who reg there. I'd like to think Lancer didn't do it, but you never know :/

    I understand that, but I just find it doubtful that he'd reveal his role to anyone after last game. Also after last game, it wouldn't surprise me if the lancer used the same strategy.

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Roxas, what is your opinion on Redack, may I ask?

    June 9, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    You do make a valid point, Jo.

    Would anyone else like to hear something from weid besides dumb one-liners that don't help us?

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Oh wow, this just got interesting. In the worst possible way.

    So, who is the most likely person that Speed would reveal his role to? It's almost 100% positive that he and Apollo were at least discussing the game- they both voted for Feral mere minutes apart. If he would tell his role to anyone, it would be Apollo.

    Speed and I actually made an agreement after last game not to talk OOG about the game because I had felt really guilty. Besides a group chat that a lot of people playing this game are in, he hasn't spoken to me about the game. Also, I voted for Feral within minutes of Speed because I thought Feral was the most suspicious player that had already had a vote against him. I was the first to voice my suspicions of him as it was.

    As for Yeano, I don't know. But what seems the possible to me at this point is that Yeano could be Mafia, and being bait for them (for some odd reason); Speed contacts Yeano when thinks he's the Cop or vice versa (it was perfect actually, because Yeano said he checked Speed night 1 and that he was innocent), and Speed tells him that he's the Doctor so that perhaps they can pull off that lovely duo of Doctor-Cop work. But that is only assuming that Speed was the Assassin kill, which might not have even been used. As much we may not be willing to admit, Yeano could actually BE the Cop.

    Let's keep in mind that the Vigilante goes before the Doctor in priority, so it's entirely likely lancer went after Speed. He [lancer] did the same thing last game in gunning early for other players.

    It's entirely possible that lancer didn't even see that Speed voted for Feral, had found Speed suspicious before, so he offed him. The reason I say this is because he has already made a few mistakes when speaking this game, and has also been a bit hasty.

    June 9, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I'm not sure, but I think what you say (as I just managed to get in) could be the basis of strong lynch against him. I'm not sure who I'll be voting for yet.

    Yeano has my attention after that unusual Cop claim yesterday.
    Redack I'm iffy about, more so after the point you raised than before.
    Kyon's only talked a few times this game, nothing helpful.
    As I just said, weid's talked a couple times with nothing useful to say (but that's nothing out of ordinary for him).
    #85 I'm more on the fence about, but I still think he's Mafia-aligned.

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    Kyon always seems to be a wild card to me. His play style gives us little to go by.

    Also I don't think Dooku has said barely anything this game so far, unless I missed something? Sorry, my traveling got a bit in my way again.

    June 9, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Wow this is turning out to be a disaster. This is awful. I don't understand how they could have known the power role of one of those two. I don't see Lancer being one to talk outside of the game, so I'm going to assume it was Speed. Naturally that would lead the trail straight to Apollo.

    I'm beginning to get very weary of Redack because he hasn't really helped us out if you think about it. He's just posted when someone mentions his name or something like that. That seems very unique about his playing style this time around.

    I'm going to go with the vote based on the theory of Speed telling his role outside of the game.

    June 9, 2013
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    Zanic

    Also Jo brings up a valid point about Dooku. Where the hell has he been this entire game? Whenever I've been mafia, Dooku has gone after me and eventually gunned me down. The fact that he's barely spoken doesn't make any sense to me. It's completely different from his character in other games.

    June 9, 2013
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    Zanic

    Dooku's talked once this whole game, and that was asking for specification about the Apprentice in the case of a Townie death.

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    I'm almost tempted to vote for him because he seems to be just flying under the radar.

    June 9, 2013
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    Zanic

    Seems like we have quite a few people playing really under the radar this game:

    Dooku - 1 (Inquired about Apprentice role)
    weid - 2 (BS Posts)
    Shadowwalked - 2 (BS Posts)
    Hezekiah - 3 (Nothing helpful)
    Hindenburg - 5 (Nothing helpful)
    Castrael - 23 (Day 1: More joking posts, Day 2: Rephrasing what's been said)

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    And yes, I realize there are probably others who have posted less than Cas, but they've also had something say for themselves without repeating.

    June 9, 2013
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    `Roxas`

    I was silenced last round, hence my absence while being active elsewhere on the site. I'll try to catch up on the game shortly.

    June 9, 2013
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    Count Dooku

    Let's keep in mind that the Vigilante goes before the Doctor in priority, so it's entirely likely lancer went after Speed. He [lancer] did the same thing last game in gunning early for other players.


    I find it hard to believe that white lancer of all people would target someone who was just said to be innocent by someone who claimed cop.

    I'm still highly suspicious of Yeano for all the reasons I pointed out last round. His responses to me have been blatantly BS, and I'm surprised I even considered listening to them for a while. He literally told me that the reason he didn't investigate me yet (we typically investigate each other first) was to "make things more fun." That's as stupid of an answer as saying you didn't even look at your role PM to make the game more challenging. I also question his claiming he investigated Speed, considering he seemed much more "suspicious" of Feral.

    Apollo on the other hand I feel is a safer vote. If Speed were to reveal his role to anyone accidentally, it would probably be Apollo. Additionally, something I've been meaning to keep under wraps since I still feel like a jerk for it: This is a segment of part of a Skype conversation I had with Apollo and some other people. Basically what happened was Apollo said something about her role that seemed off to me, even though I initially passed it off as a joke. Ten minutes later, I told Yeano what Apollo said, and a couple of minutes after that, Apollo acted like she didn't even know roles were posted. My theory being that Yeano told Apollo what I said, and Apollo tried to fix a mistake.

    [5/30/2013 11:15:15 PM] Apollo: oh igga
    [5/30/2013 11:15:21 PM] Apollo: it says under the GTx0 Mafia symbol thing
    [5/30/2013 11:15:26 PM] Apollo: it should say Your role is: blank

    ...

    [5/30/2013 11:22:35 PM] igga: I have to take the garbage and recycle out
    [5/30/2013 11:22:36 PM] igga: brb
    [5/30/2013 11:27:49 PM] igga: nvm
    [5/30/2013 11:27:59 PM] igga: there was an animal out there and I ain't about to fight no raccoon or coyote
    [5/30/2013 11:28:06 PM] Apollo: you're a strong man
    [5/30/2013 11:28:32 PM] Apollo: oh I didn't even see that the roles were up


    I admittedly didn't think what she said beforehand was anything more than a joke, but the last line of this where she claims she didn't know roles were posted, even though she told igga how to find his role, on top of the timing of me conversation with Yeano, really sets off some alarms imo.

    So I'm sticking with my vote for Apollo.

    June 9, 2013
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    MajorasMask9

    Very intriguing.

    I believe Dooku's claim of being silenced seeing as I doubt the mafia would try that fake silencing method twice in one game. Now let's see if Dooku can help us out here. Also, how many time has igga posted? I feel like with all of the skyping he's doing, he should have plenty of time to add some input on mafia.

    I'm still sticking with Apollo seeing as more evidence keeps popping up against her.

    June 9, 2013
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    Zanic

    Color me swayed for now.

    But I still have my eye on Redack. (shifty)

    June 9, 2013
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    Jo Nathan

    Not playing under a radar. I work on the weekends, and with my Wisdom Teeth being pulled tomorrow, I'm going to be on a lot of drugs! Ugh, so nervous. Yet, excited. I'm hoping to be up though.

    Anyways, apologizing for my joking and I'll let my serious out. ^.^

    Apollo on the other hand I feel is a safer vote. If Speed were to reveal his role to anyone accidentally, it would probably be Apollo. Additionally, something I've been meaning to keep under wraps since I still feel like a jerk for it: This is a segment of part of a Skype conversation I had with Apollo and some other people. Basically what happened was Apollo said something about her role that seemed off to me, even though I initially passed it off as a joke. Ten minutes later, I told Yeano what Apollo said, and a couple of minutes after that, Apollo acted like she didn't even know roles were posted. My theory being that Yeano told Apollo what I said, and Apollo tried to fix a mistake.


    This is exactly why we don't communicate about the game outside of Mafia. Well, at least I don't. I'd vote for Apollo too, but I need to think about this for a second. I have work in a few hours so I'll be typing this quick.

    And yes, I realize there are probably others who have posted less than Cas, but they've also had something say for themselves without repeating.


    I try not to repeat myself. And I'll try to joke less as well, if it bothers you guys, during the game that is. There really hasn't been much to say. With the "going back and forth" arguments, I'd much rather keep out of those.

    As of right now, I'm leaning my vote towards Apollo as well. I need to come up with a reason first.

    June 9, 2013
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    Castrael

    A lot of good theories around here, and Apollo raises a particularly good one about Yeano. However, as last game proved, she has shown skill in this game taht few can match, despite only having played one game here. I struggle to understand why the whole town turned on Feral -- and how in hell, of all roles we could have taken out, we found the Silencer. As for Speed and lancer...

    ...well, the fact that Lancer got the same role twice in a row (and it wasn't Townie) is dumb luck in itself, but it seemed to prove his downfall this game.

    And Apollo's theory about Speed and Yeano appears to be one of the best so far, but that doesn't guarantee her innocence. Rather, in my mind it raises some red flags toward Yeano.

    Holding my vote for now, pending further discussion.

    June 9, 2013
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    Black Yoshi

    I have difficulty believing the Mafia would throw one of their own (Feral)under the bus this early in the game when there was no pressure to do so.

    Apollo voted for Feral.

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    chiefsonny
     

    igga posted twice on Day One, once on Day Two and once today.

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    `Roxas`

    I have difficulty believing the Mafia would throw one of their own (Feral)under the bus this early in the game when there was no pressure to do so.


    The sooner you sow seeds of non-suspicion, the longer they have to grow into trees of deception.

    Or something like that.

    It seems to happen a lot, actually.

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    Jo Nathan



    Nice try, MM9.

    My role wasn't posted yet. I knew that they came up at different times, just like how when the game was first posted, roles weren't up for some time. I knew how to check roles because I've played a game here before. I didn't even really think about how bad that sounded until rereading it now, of course.

    Probably the end of the road for me either way.



    "I am not a crook!"

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    Apollo Justice

    I try not to repeat myself. And I'll try to joke less as well, if it bothers you guys, during the game that is.

    It's not that you were repeating yourself, you were repeating others. The joking I don't have a problem with if it's not often, but that's all you seemed to do on Day One.

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    `Roxas`

    My role wasn't posted yet. I knew that they came up at different times, just like how when the game was first posted, roles weren't up for some time.

    I hate to use knowledge that not all players have access to, but typically roles are all assigned and submitted at the same time and not on some lapse of time.

    Sorry, love. (sad)

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    `Roxas`

    I think there's a very good chance that the people that are voting for Apollo are Mafia and are trying to get others to jump on the bandwagon.

    If I'm right and Apollo gets lynched and is a townie and they kill 2 more the next night round, that put us down to 12.

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    chiefsonny
     

    Ah, that makes sense. (:$)

    I'll work on that and I'm glad it doesn't bother you, but I'll try to be more serious and I'll try to express my opinions often.

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    Castrael

    Shadowwalked - 2 (BS Posts)

    I haven't really had time to make many posts, I've been pulling 12 hour days in the lab recently. So far I've just been getting back into the old swing of things, but I'll post any observations I make that I think are relevant.

    June 9, 2013
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    Shadowwalked

    Sigh.

    Getting lynched because of a low-blow Skype convo and me not knowing the game mechanics.

    Have fun.

    June 9, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    Who would you recommend then, Apollo?

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    `Roxas`

    Can we just go back to game 17.2? I think I liked that one better. {;)}

    June 9, 2013
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    Apollo Justice

    I would also like your thoughts on who to lynch this round, Apollo.

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    chiefsonny
     

    I can't go back and view the mafia thread from last game, but I distinctly remember Apollo saying something along the lines of "I can assure you, Speed isn't a power role. He wouldn't lie to me."

    Like Majora said, I do not see Lancer sniping Speed because of Yeano's cop claim, no matter how much he might doubt the claim.

    As far as the mafia throwing Feral under the bus at the last second... If you think I'm mafia, then like... wow. There were ten minutes left when I made my vote. If I was mafia, I can promise you in a million, billion years I would not just off handedly vote for Feral because... what? Why? What possible reason would there be to kill Feral when you can easily squeeze by with a tie, or just kill #85 (assuming he's innocent). I mean, hell, both me and Roxas had already voted for 85. Like I already said, if me or Roxas were mafia (especially me; Roxas would be scrutinized for tying the votes at the last minute, I suspect), and #85 was innocent, we'd gun for #85. Suggesting that, if I was mafia, I would just kill Feral for absolutely no reason immediately makes me suspicious of you. It just does not make sense.

    I voted for Feral because I believed Speed and Yeano provided a much better argument for him being mafia than Roxas did for #85. It was, in my opinion, a very good argument actually. There were no other prospects for me to vote for because no one is voting. : / Like I've already explained, I think a lynch is almost always preferable to not killing. This conservative thought process:

    If I'm right and Apollo gets lynched and is a townie and they kill 2 more the next night round, that put us down to 12.

    just doesn't serve anyone, imo. You can't worry about making a mistake with every move. You're rarely going to be certain. Obviously, having more information is better, and if anyone has a better argument than mine for Apollo, I will be more than happy to change my vote.

    Now, as far as Apollo voting for Feral: It's entirely possible she did so just to gain Speed's trust. He could have only told her his role after this vote occurred. Her vote probably did not seem like a big deal to her at the time because it was not a last minute act that sealed Feral's fate. It was done with several hours left in the round, and it was only the second vote for Feral, AND it tied the votes up.

    OK. I think I addressed everything.

    June 9, 2013
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    The Bandit

    Oh, I almost forgot. Even though I've kind of sort of defended him, Roxas is still horribly confusing me. His continued insistence that the Assassin isn't doing any killing doesn't make a lot of sense to me. While he has shown that he's willing to randomly target with the Vigilante, I don't see him going after Speed. Speed was the first to vote for a mafia member, did nothing that was overtly suspicious, and was "confirmed" innocent by our cop. Speed was nearly the worst person to target.

    Also, Roxas' determination to go after #85 has since been forgotten apparently, and he still never properly explained why he thought #85 was mafia. It could be possible, imo, that they're both mafia, like last game. It would really explain why Roxas decided to randomly target #85 when no other adequate explanation has been offered. #85's comments at the beginning of this round were a little odd, and his vote changes could be after reading some discussion in the mafia thread.

    Roxas also PMed me last night, offering to go after Lancer after (?) I voiced my suspicions of him. Seeing as how Lancer turned up dead, it could be that Roxas was trying to use me as a free way to remove a player the mafia were dying to get rid of. Get me to vote, get a mafia player to come along too, and bam. Last minute kill on a power player.

    I wouldn't dream of voting for Roxas or #85 yet. It's just me throwing all my thoughts out into the open.

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    The Bandit

    While he has shown that he's willing to randomly target with the Vigilante, I don't see him going after Speed.

    While he has shown that he's willing to randomly target with the Vigilante, I don't see Lancer going after Speed.


    It could be possible, imo, that they're both mafia, like last game.

    It could be possible, imo, that they're both mafia, like last game with Majora and Yeano.

    Roxas also PMed me last night, offering to go after Lancer after (?) I voiced my suspicions of him.

    The question mark was put there because I'm not 100% certain about this. I never look at my notifications to be honest, and just instantly delete them when I do, but it's a very safe assumption. I doubt he would just ask random players to target Lancer. Just wanted to be 100% honest about it.

    OK, no more crap from me for a while, I promise.

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    The Bandit

    His continued insistence that the Assassin isn't doing any killing doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

    I've acknowledged that it is a possibility that the Assassin has been killing, but I just don't see it as all that likely.

    Speed was the first to vote for a mafia member, did nothing that was overtly suspicious, and was "confirmed" innocent by our cop.

    Except there's no way we can be certain that Yeano is really the cop until he's dead.

    Also, Roxas' determination to go after #85 has since been forgotten apparently, and he still never properly explained why he thought #85 was mafia.

    It's mostly just a gut feeling.

    Roxas also PMed me last night, offering to go after Lancer after (?) I voiced my suspicions of him. Seeing as how Lancer turned up dead, it could be that Roxas was trying to use me as a free way to remove a player the mafia were dying to get rid of. Get me to vote, get a mafia player to come along too, and bam. Last minute kill on a power player.

    Yes, it was after you voiced your suspicions of him. I had my own suspicions of him being Mafia that I kept to myself, and so was the person I had hoped would come along on the vote if I had received a response. He [lancer] would be dangerous to keep alive if he were Mafia, which was the only reason I sent you that PM. As it turns out, we were both wrong about him.

    If I were Mafia, I would have gone after him on Night One instead of FAW or LLight.

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    `Roxas`

    Apollo is guilty btw. Checked her last night.

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    Yeano

    Also, still highly suspicious of Zanic.

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    Yeano

    (duck)

    (duck)(duck)

    (duck)(duck)(duck)



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    Apollo Justice

    Sorry for not posting much. I work late into the early morning hours, and then I sleep into the afternoon. That said, I have been suspicious of Apollo for a while. I was just sort of waiting for more to come about before just randomly accusing.

    In relevance to Majora's post of the conversation, she had another one with me like directly after that, sort of trying to shift guilt to him.

    (hopefully this pastes in a semi readable manner)

    [5/30/2013 11:43:35 PM] Tara: kk
    [5/30/2013 11:43:58 PM] Tara: well.. you obviously know MM better than I do but be very very careful what you say around him if he asks you anything or whatnot
    [5/30/2013 11:44:04 PM] Tara: liiiiiiiike, even hima sking what color your role was
    [5/30/2013 11:44:13 PM] Tara: because your role color changes depending on your role
    [5/30/2013 11:44:29 PM] bizarre_voices: how so? How do those colors even work?
    [5/30/2013 11:44:47 PM] Tara: it usually indicates what side you are, or if you're a special role
    [5/30/2013 11:45:05 PM] bizarre_voices: what do different colors mean though?
    [5/30/2013 11:45:15 PM] Tara: well, I'm not positive but from what I've played
    [5/30/2013 11:45:26 PM] Tara: in 17.1 I was townie and
    [5/30/2013 11:45:29 PM] Tara: I THINK I was green?
    [5/30/2013 11:45:33 PM] Tara: I.. don't remember
    [5/30/2013 11:45:39 PM] Tara: so IDK if townie is green or not.
    [5/30/2013 11:45:40 PM] bizarre_voices: So does this mean you're not a townie now?
    [5/30/2013 11:45:45 PM] Tara: but mafia is defintiely red.
    [5/30/2013 11:45:55 PM] Tara: because I was mafia in 17.2 bc you remember my EPIC WIN
    [5/30/2013 11:46:03 PM] Tara: and special roles might be different colors. IDK.
    [5/30/2013 11:46:19 PM] Tara: but MM has played like 5 million times so he knows every little trick in da book
    [5/30/2013 11:46:45 PM] Tara: so idk if you were answering seriously to him or not, but... yeah be careful
    [5/30/2013 11:48:24 PM] bizarre_voices: But if you're not green does that mean you're not a townie?
    [5/30/2013 11:48:48 PM] Tara: I think that's usually the case
    [5/30/2013 11:49:24 PM] Tara: I think when there are third party roles
    [5/30/2013 11:49:28 PM] Tara: like there was a game with aliens
    [5/30/2013 11:49:30 PM] Tara: I wasn't a part of
    [5/30/2013 11:49:35 PM] Tara: and they were a different color I think
    [5/30/2013 11:49:45 PM] bizarre_voices: But you said you weren't green!
    [5/30/2013 11:50:23 PM] Tara: but like I said special roles miiight have different colors I'm really not sure
    [5/30/2013 11:50:31 PM] Tara: I haven't played the game enough

    The timing of that, along with the fact that she was completely avoiding the "You're not green, so you're not townie?" question raised some flags, so.

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    igga

    I think there's a very good chance that the people that are voting for Apollo are Mafia and are trying to get others to jump on the bandwagon.

    This. This Apollo thing is escalating very fast.
    Feral only had one vote (Speed) when Apollo swooped in. She could have easily voted for #85, resulting in a tie and having no one lynched. Apollo wasn't even a target last round, why would she try and clear her name by ousting a fellow mafia member? The silencer of all, the most effective way to to stop the cop.

    That being said, if Speed did reveal his role to Apollo, he needs to be banned from a future game. Why would you cheat like that?

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    Bubba

    Also, I have no idea what to think about Yeano right now. I don't entirely believe he's the cop, but very well could be. If he's not killed by the mafia tonight, I'm almost entirely certain he's one of them.

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    igga

    (shifty)

    Still not certain, but I guess this would prove whether Yeano is the Cop or not.

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    `Roxas`

    Okay, not necessarily prove that he is, but would definitely be to his benefit.

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    `Roxas`

    If Yeano is actually the cop I will be very, very surprised.

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    MajorasMask9

    After seeing Yeano's post, let's axe Apollo.



    Yeano's death is inevitable. Apollo is the mafia, mafia kills him tonight. Apollo is a townie, we kill him.

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    Bubba

    Feral only had one vote (Speed) when Apollo swooped in. She could have easily voted for #85, resulting in a tie and having no one lynched. Apollo wasn't even a target last round, why would she try and clear her name by ousting a fellow mafia member? The silencer of all, the most effective way to to stop the cop.

    You're not remembering what happened. Several hours before the round ended, Speed voted for Feral. A few minutes after that, Apollo voted for Feral. This actually DID tie the votes with #85. She didn't swoop in and kill him. She didn't even swoop in. She just made what probably looked like a very innocent vote to her. She probably fully expected me or Roxas to come back and vote for #85 later on (since we had both voted for him previously and then removed it).

    Which brings me back to my thoughts on Roxas and #85. The votes were tied for a very long time. If Feral was mafia, why wouldn't another mafia member come along and vote for #85? It's possible that we had two mafia members with 2 votes yesterday and they didn't quite know what to do about it. Again, nothing damning at all, just random thoughts.

    If Apollo is innocent, then obviously we'll lynch Yeano tomorrow (given Apollo's latest post, this seems really unlikely). If they're both guilty, then maybe the mafia will just keep voting for their own members and we won't have to do anything.

    IF Apollo is guilty and Yeano does not turn up dead tonight, that would be a time I would exercise caution. The Hooker is still in play, after all. I'm more than willing to leave him alone for a while.

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    The Bandit

    I'm not going to be alive tomorrow morning. Sorry, guys!

    Anyway, my highest suspicions right now are Zanic and Jo Nathan.

    Also, I do find it likely that white lancer killed Speed Bike Pro.

    He killed me last game based purely on gut feeling. He admitted this in the dead thread. Seeing as how Majora doesn't trust a word I say, it's likely that white lancer didn't trust me either.

    But, knowing that I could possibly be the cop (seeing as how he's not familiar with my innocent playing style), he wanted to test my cop results to see whether I was telling the truth or not (If Speed was guilty, it would confirm I was a mafia member).

    I believe this is the most likely scenario.

    Especially since I talked to Speed on Skype before I revealed.

    [6/7/2013 3:12:27 PM] Yeano: What is your role
    [6/7/2013 3:12:49 PM] Doug B: I'm not telling anyone.... Sorry, bud.... :(
    [6/7/2013 3:13:06 PM] Doug B: I took an oath of secrecy to myself after last game no matter what the circumstances.
    [6/7/2013 3:14:22 PM] Yeano: Thank you for your time
    [6/7/2013 3:14:37 PM] Doug B: NO PROBLEMO


    Also, for what it's worth, Apollo also mentioned to me that Majora was being weird when I asked her what she thought about lancer and Majora.

    I'd also like to point out that lancer died on Day 3, which is sort of a trope for him. This leads me to believe the mafia has at least one member familiar with this trope.

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    Yeano

    I vote for Apollo because if Yeano has visited her last night, and says she's guilty, then she's definitely Mafia. I have confidence in him and the rest who voted for Apollo.

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    Castrael

    Also, I would suggest forcing those who haven't been active to speak. Get them involved.

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    Yeano

    Like, Dooku, Hezy and some others I can't think of that top of my head.

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    Castrael

    *the top

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    Castrael

    If Apollo is innocent, then obviously we'll lynch Yeano tomorrow (given Apollo's latest post, this seems really unlikely). If they're both guilty, then maybe the mafia will just keep voting for their own members and we won't have to do anything.

    IF Apollo is guilty and Yeano does not turn up dead tonight, that would be a time I would exercise caution. The Hooker is still in play, after all. I'm more than willing to leave him alone for a while.

    Only exception to this is if she's the Godfather. In that case, we'll be killing Yeano tomorrow any way. Of course, that's probably what you meant by the first bit of the second paragraph.

    Five more votes ends the round.

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    `Roxas`

    With the night round going for the full time allotted, it wouldn't be a bad idea to look at some of the more quiet players.

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    `Roxas`

    As of right now, my list of 3 I will be voting is Apollo, Redack, random under the radar person. Subject to change of course

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    #85

    Redack, I'm suspicious of too, #85. But, Apollo first. I'm not going to vote for Redack right away. I need reasons first.

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    Castrael

    Like someone suggested, maybe he could have cheated. Maybe lancer just made a mistake. I don't think he bought Yeanos cop claim (I didn't either) I'd also point out one game when I was mafia, we silenced another mafia. So don't put too much stock in who was silenced.

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    #85

    Well, I just meant if she turns out to be any mafia and Yeano magically shows up alive and well tomorrow, we shouldn't just say "Wow, Yeano can't be the cop! The mafia don't want to kill Yeano because he's a mafia!" They can still put Yeano out of action with the Hooker for the night, with the hopes that we would lynch Yeano tomorrow. If Apollo is the godfather, then I most definitely would not vote for Yeano because I can't imagine him making that kind of mistake if he was mafia. I would just be super confused by his play.

    If Lancer did kill Speed, then I think that's just a horrible play by him. I guess he thought he would nail two mafia if Speed turned out to be mafia, but Speed was clearly not mafia. Idk. I'm a fan of risky play, but that just had almost no upside. When the real cop eventually came forward, we would lynch Yeano and immediately start questioning Speed after. We get the same info, just a bit later.

    BUT OMG SO MANY POINTS!!!!!!!

    : /

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    The Bandit

    I'm also more suspicious of Majora and Yeano being in a game together. Last game, they argued with each other to confuse the town. If Yeano claims to be the cop like he said he is, then he's the cop. But, another gut feeling of mine is: Yeano could be portraying as a cop while Majora is actually the Cop.

    Just a thought. My vote for Apollo stands because I trust Yeano on this.

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    Castrael

    After last game, there is no way Speed would trust anyone else with his role. As Yeano said, Speed took an oath of secrecy after last game. Therefore...

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    Black Yoshi

    Four (or three, if the DV has voted already) more votes needed to end the round.

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    `Roxas`

    Correct, three (or two)

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    `Roxas`

    Correction***

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    `Roxas`

    If Apollo is guilty or not will show if Yeano is telling the truth or not. Although I do find it a little fishy that he told us she was guilty after half of us already voted for her. I also am questioning why he was allowed to investigate last night. Why did the hooker not distract him? I'm confused by this.

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    Zanic

    That's a really good point ^

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    The Bandit

    At this point, I don't fully believe Yeano's story anymore. It's just been too easy for him. As for no counter cop claim, I have no clue. I could very well have a different opinion in the next day round though(assuming I make it to the next day).

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    Zanic

    If Apollo is guilty or not will show if Yeano is telling the truth or not.

    Not entirely, since there are a few possible explanations.

    1) Apollo is guilty, Yeano is the Cop.
    2) Apollo is guilty, so is Yeano.
    3) Apollo is guilty, Yeano is good at guessing. He's a townie.
    4) Apollo is the Godfather, Yeano lied. He's a townie.
    5) Apollo is the Godfather, Yeano lied. He's a Mafioso.
    6) Apollo is innocent, Yeano lied. He's a townie.
    7) Apollo is innocent, Yeano lied. He's a Mafioso.

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    `Roxas`

    I know. I just contradicted myself there.

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    Zanic

    Yeah. It's really, really confusing. I think at this point the simplest explanation is the best and Yeano is the cop and he just unintentionally acted like a weirdo. But, who knows? Hopefully things will become clearer once the round ends.

    As far as the Hooker goes, we have so many inactive players that it's likely that at least one of them isn't just laying low. The Hooker could just have not used their power because they weren't around.

    Hopefully I'm wrong on both accounts, Yeano is not the cop, and Apollo is still somehow guilty. I can dream.

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    The Bandit

    I knew what you were trying to say, but that doesn't mean others did. If anything, the only way we will know Yeano is telling the truth is to kill him. {boo}

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    `Roxas`

    Alright. But that's another thing that Bandit pointed out. If the Hooker was inactive, then wouldn't the night round have taken the maximum amount of time while WT was waiting for the inactive power role?

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    Zanic

    ...or take out Apollo and see what happens.

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    Black Yoshi

    If only the Feral rush at the end of round 2 wasn't so fast, would have been fairly telling who is mafia. Yes this includes me (ashamed)

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    #85

    If the Hooker was inactive, then wouldn't the night round have taken the maximum amount of time while WT was waiting for the inactive power role?

    It's a possibility, but that argument can be applied to Speed, lancer and the Assassin as well. We don't know who waited until the closing moments of the Night Round to put their actions in.

    ...or take out Apollo and see what happens.

    Except it's not black and white. Yes, it would narrow down the possibilities I listed, but it doesn't by any means clear Yeano as the Cop.

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    `Roxas`

    If only the Feral rush at the end of round 2 wasn't so fast, would have been fairly telling who is mafia.

    I'm curious how it would have told us anything about who could and couldn't be Mafia.

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    `Roxas`

    ...or take out Apollo and see what happens.

    Apollo is going to be lynched at this point no matter what. I'm just simply sticking the theory in people's heads about not to trust Yeano. It doesn't really matter that he voted for her today considering he told us about his investigation halfway through the round after all of us had already figured her out.

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    Zanic

    I can't go back and view the mafia thread from last game


    We should be able to see those threads. At the end of last game they should have been open to all.

    I still have serious doubts about anyone that voted for Feral last round being Mafia. I never remember the Mafia throwing a member under the bus on the 2nd day round. That's why I'm surprised that `Roxas` is voting the way he is.

    With 11 votes, that means that 4 townies so far are voting for Apollo. I hope this is not a mistake, because if it is after tonight we will be down to 12. That is not good.

    I guess what's pushing me over the ledge is Apollo's last post{fp}

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    chiefsonny
     

    After reading the night priorities from the Day 1 thread, it seems that the Assassin HAD to kill someone. If the mafia killed white lancer, he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone himself.

    I'd also like to point out that Yeano has claimed that he investigated Apollo last night based off my suggestion, and he blames me for it since he feels like it was a waste of an investigation. Which is another blatantly BS story that I'm surprised Yeano would think I'd buy after seeing him get out of certain situations as mafia in the past.

    This is what I think happened:

    -Yeano (mafia) claims cop, claims Speed is innocent.
    -Speed (doctor) and Yeano (mafia) end up in contact, whether Speed contacted Yeano first or Yeano contacted Speed first. Speed reveals he's the Doctor to Yeano, thinking Yeano is the Cop.
    -Yeano reveals Speed's role to the mafia. They kill him with the Assassin, because they know it's a safe shot, and figure they can use their normal kill on someone else.
    -They use their normal kill on white lancer, chances are he's going to be a townie, but it turns out he's actually the vigilante.

    The fact that we know the Assassin killed a power role--most likely the Doctor--says a lot. It makes the above chain of events much more plausible. I am convinced Yeano is mafia, and will be going after him for a lynch next round.

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    MajorasMask9

    But if you think about it, I recall Feral saying that he would be gone due to RL issues. So they would have really no use for him anyway.

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    Zanic

    Additionally, the fact that the Hooker wouldn't block Yeano is extremely fishy. To me, it seems he wanted to jump on board the Apollo bandwagon with a confirmed "guilty" verdict to make his claim seem more plausible. In the end, the fact that he denies being targeted by the Hooker just works against him, IMO.

    I'm curious to see what the real cop has to say, but I wouldn't recommend revealing until things have settled down, especially with the doctor gone.

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    MajorasMask9

    Maybe Yeano did get hookered and lied about checking Apollo. (duck)

    I don't know, chief. They're locked for me.

    I still don't understand why you would expect the mafia to kill off Feral when the votes were so close and the round so close to ending. If #85 is innocent, kill him instead or just let it end in a tie. I voted with ten minutes left, Roxas had like two. If either of us were mafia, we could have just let it ride.

    If we assume that #85 is mafia as well, then me voting for Feral would make more sense. But... I'm not mafia. : /

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    The Bandit

    But if you think about it, I recall Feral saying that he would be gone due to RL issues. So they would have really no use for him anyway.


    It's a matter of numbers. All they need to do is get to a tie and they win. That's why with 2 night kills and a possible lynch it makes no sense to throw one of their own under the bus that soon.

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    chiefsonny
     

    I don't know, chief. They're locked for me.


    For me also. What I'm saying is they shouldn't be. Access should be open to all after that game was over. I too wanted to go back and check what had been said and was blocked.

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    chiefsonny
     

    You know what? The more I think about this, the more I become convinced that Yeano is mafia and is trying to bait us into voting out Apollo.

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    Zanic

    Probably won't make a difference, but I'm just proving a point.

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    Zanic

    I think we need to pay more attention to LLight's list than we have been.

    The fact that he created it and was essentially immediately killed off says to me that he was getting uncomfortably close to the Mafia.

    Looking at some of the deaths, it also seems that the Mafia are USING LLight's list to deduce who likely has a power role (as I'm sure LLight caught some of them on his list) and eliminate them.

    We saw this with SBP FAW ,and the original author of the list, LLight.

    So here's the short version of people LLight observed.

    High activity - likely power role:

    SBP (Doctor / Dead)
    Kyon
    Apollo Justice
    Shadowwalked

    Low activity - likely role check and then lack of a night action:

    Bandit
    Jo Nathan
    Pirate_Ninja
    FAW (Townie / Dead)

    After that, by his own admission, too many active people to discern probable roles.

    So far, a few people have noted that Shadowwalked and Kyon have had very limited input in the game, or have said nothing particularly helpful.

    This fits with LLight's suspicion list, which has been all but ignored:

    It is more likely -- I think, that Shadowwalked, Speed Bike Pro, Kyon, and Apollo Justice either have power roles or are mafia.

    What do we know so far? SBP was the Doctor.

    In the absence of a concrete lead, I propose that we test LLight's hypothesis. Given the Mafia's attempt to stamp him out immediately, I think there's something here to work with.

    I propose we lynch either Kyon, Shaddowalked, or Apollo Justice. If lynching one of them doesn't pan out, then we'll abandon LLight's strategy.

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    Count Dooku

    And from what I've read, I'm going to put my neck on the line and say that the #85 line is currently a wild goose chase. He's had a length hiatus from Mafia and I think we're trying too hard to read into something with him.

    He's still worth watching, because it's possible he's guilty, but nothing so far is raising alarm bells for me.

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    Count Dooku

    Because we need only 2 more votes, for the sake of ending this round early, I'll switch back.

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    Zanic

    W-Well.. Welp... Looks like this is the end of the road of great justice...

    ~ Last Will and Testament, by Apollo Justice ~

    - I leave my Final Fantasy collection to Hindenburg. Plz for the love of goodness play them.

    - I leave my bald eagle to Supermod Kyon. His name is Eagle0. Take good care of him.

    - I leave my tumblr account to Roxas. It kind of sucks and I have no idea what you'll do with it but I promise one day it could be big.

    - All I leave to Jo Nathan are the wonderful memories of game 17.2. I would leave you a chocolate bar or a cake or something, but I mean, cakes don't last forever. Good Mafia memories do~

    - I leave the lost picarats I just found from puzzle 52 to MajorasMask9.

    - To Pirate_Ninja I leave my Yoshi plush dolls. That's right, weid man. I left them to Pirate_Ninja. Not you.

    - To Redack I leave my review of Star Trek: Into Darkness. I literally just saw it and gosh it was so mighty fine. The character development was insanely good and OH MY GOSH SHERLOCK WAS SO GREAT IN IT

    - To Castrael I leave flowers and chocolate. Because apparently that's what most guys think most girls like.

    - To Black Yoshi I leave my box of ravioli. Cook yourself up something good, champ.

    - To weid man, I leave a toll road.

    - To Trever Leingod I leave a picture of one of the coolest cats around.



    - To igga I leave everything you could possibly want in the world. <3

    - To The Bandit I leave all my Paper Mario games, including Super Mario RPG. Because whenever I see you post, this pops into my head:



    - To chiefsonny I leave some of the finest made sandwiches that the world has to offer. Catered to your preference!

    - To Yeano I leave my Zelda 3DS. PLEASE take good care of it, oh my gosh. It's precious.

    - To Zanic I leave a congratulations on graduating because I never did so earlier~

    - To #85 I leave 85 Hershey Kisses. Or Hershey Hugs. I love white chocolate, so I'd probably give the latter and take a few before I die.

    - To Bubba I leave my Shy Guy plush and my Shy Guy figurine. If I'm not still alive before the Mario Kart tournament tonight, my faith rests in you~

    - To Count Dooku I leave The Force. Right? Right!

    - I leave hezekiah a picture of this cute duckling.



    - To Shadowwalked I leave my lost hopes and dreams of going into the biology field. Get money, get paid.

    To all you dead folks... I'll catch ya on the other side. {8D}

    GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD

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    Apollo Justice



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    Apollo Justice

    @Apollo, Not sure if you're Mafia or not but I will say this.

    That's one of the best post I've ever seen in this game. {y}

    Thanks for the laughs I got reading it.

    By the way. Crisp bacon on my BLT

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    chiefsonny
     

    Yeah, that's going to be fine and dandy since I'll be gone for two and a half months at the least. {:P}

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    `Roxas`

    How did she get an IRL pic of me?

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    The Bandit

    White Thunder, stung that Apollo left him nothing in her will, decided on a particularly gruesome death for her- who, by the way, was a Mafioso.

    As the town gathered around to execute this horrible criminal, she begged mightily for her life. She threatened to sell out all her loved ones, and even her precious Mafia cohorts, in order to save her own life. The town, thirsty for her blood and her blood alone for the time being, denied her request swiftly and with no remorse, as well they should have.

    I could describe her death but it certainly is not appropriate for the general public. Let's just say it started with her getting drawn and quartered and only got worse from there. May her soul suffer in Hell for all eternity.

    ... That might have been too harsh. Way too harsh. Ah well, that's what makes it fun.

    1. white lancer- Vigilante
    2. Speed Bike Pro- Doctor
    3. Hindenburg
    4. Kyon
    5. Roxas
    6. Jo Nathan
    7. MajorasMask9
    8. Apollo Justice- Mafioso
    9. Pirate_Ninja
    10. Redack
    11. Castrael
    12. Feral- Silencer
    13. Black Yoshi
    14. weid man
    15. Trever Leingod
    16. igga
    17. The Bandit
    18. chiefsonny
    19. Yeano
    20. Zanic
    21. #85
    22. Bubba
    23. Count Dooku
    24. hezekiah
    25. Llight- Apprentice
    26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
    27. Shadowwalked

    24 hours or until all night actions are in.

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    White Thunder

    Reply to: night 3 feeling a bit vengeful

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