There wasn't a kill from the Serial Killer? Interesting.

Castrael, I'm sorry for having doubted you. I no longer believe you are mafia.

Not necessarily; if the Mafia have a kill before the serial killer (Helius, could you verify this), then it is possible both the Mafia and the Serial Killer targeted SBP.

If the Mafia are being strategic about their kills, it will be interesting at the end to see just what that strategy is.

I think the chances of the Mafia and the Killer going after the same target this early on seems rather thin. It may be a good idea to start eyeballing some of these inactive players. as there seems to be quite a few...

Your last post from Day 2 you said you thought we were making a mistake by not lynching (just guessing the person you had in mind was Cas). What is with the change of heart, Ghowilo?

@Roxas: Makes sense, but that's like a chance in a life time. Maybe the Serial Killer went inactive and forgot to make an action that round? Who knows.

Also, I gotta ask the same question Roxas is asking. I appreciate that, btw, but why?

I thought cas was bluffing and I thought we should go after her, but I don't think she's mafia. Unless she's just lucky or playing smart I don't really have any reason to suspect her anymore.

I don't have definitive proof, but I also have no legitimate reason to continue to suspect her. Someone else may be able to definitively say she is one way or the other but I'm not.

The only way we can even attempt to make even strides against the Mafia AND the Serial Killer(s) is with use of the guard. That person still has a much better chance of hitting on of our own numbers rather than the opposition. Even if they do manage to hit a selected target, much like they did against CtR last round, it's not guaranteed that we will find out that person's role.

Are we down to 4 Townies? It doesn't specifically say.

@Ghowilo, reasoning is fair enough. Guess we just have to wait for the Journalist's article for the time being.

Either four or five townies, depending if the roles under Mafia are up to date with the rest of the game.

Well that was a Speedy kill.

Ahem...anyway, just checking in now, will post more when I'm not so busy tonight.

We have a Doctor, y'all.

The doctor has to visit the right person though right?

That is correct. So the Doctor has to be lucky enough to visit the same person the Mafia or Serial Killer chooses (this is to include his or herself) while avoiding the Granny.

And we still don't know who the granny is. I would make the claim to get try to get the armor but I would be lying and I'd probably be targeted just to see if I was telling the truth. Will the real grandma please come forward?

We've gotta vote for someone, and I have no idea who to vote for because y'all are being so quite.

I'm at work and I have homework tonight that's due Tues so I won't be contributing much.

Hi sorry I'm here. I've been really busy with school stuff and Smash Bros has been distracting. Will posts my thoughts after I get some food.

I'm a little suspicious of Ghowilo asking for the Granny to come forward. I don't think we have a very immediate need for this yet, especially with two night killing roles around. In fact, I'd argue that it's better if the Granny doesn't come forward because it would seem the Serial Killer might be 2scared to kill at night.

At least, that's just my theory as to why there was no Serial Killer kill. I could be wrong B)

No internet set up in my apartment yet, and my phone doesn't have a signal... Posting from the gym, I'm not silenced.

Why should the real Granny come forward? What do you purpose?

All it would do is narrow down targets for the Serial Killer and Mafia (assuming the real Granny decides to come forward), which is more of a negative for us than it is a positive. The only way we could actually prove that person to be the Granny is to have one of our roles go after her (or him) or by lunching the person who claims.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have this requested. My vote will reflect that.

Hey, yeah Smash Bros has had most of my attention...


Anyways, the Granny coming out probably wouldn't be that helpful. We always have the possibility that Mafia or the Serial Killer will hit them which can easily narrow things down. (Though the town risks that as well.)

I'm kinda new to this, it's only like the second time I've played. I don't really understand why it would be bad for the granny to reveal herself, it could keep the apprentice tracker or the doctor from accidently following her or us accidently lynching her. I suppose it would help the mafia avoid her too but I feel like the possibility of us fucking up is higher than them. Especially with a our side being larger at this point. Aren't there only three mafia members left? I can understand your suspicions but I implore you not to Lynch me, i was a mafia guy earlier, but when the game switched I became a townie, i swear it by my goddess Morrigan I am not mafia.

Count the number of roles moving at night (which I already did earlier, but fuck it let's keep having the same discussion over and over):

Town

Tracker
Doctor

Bad Guys
Investigator
Silencer
First voter in mafia thread
Serial Killer

Granny is clearly a helpful role. Not to mention the fact that the Mafia losing a member hurts them a lot more than it hurts us to lose our Tracker. And also not to mention that the Doctor is likely not going to run around protecting randos just cuz.

Unless Ghowilo is a mafia that's just totally not paying attention, I don't think he would push the idea that the Granny should reveal. CtR already did it once, and we know he was mafia. It would be pretty dumb for the mafia to keep pushing that.

Well I really would like to take out the Investigator and for all I know Ghowilo could be it. I mean, if he's so sure that I'm Townie and not "faking it", what what makes him so sure?

Im not saying that to confuse anyone about my role. And, it would be nice for the inactive players to say something. I'd vote for one of them.

Silenced I am no longer, for I shall speak another day!

hear ye hear ye let the first witch trial of all of this nation's history be conducted

(Also idk why everyone changed their vote today unless I missed something I was suspicious of her since day 1)

I'm not so sure you're not mafia, i said I was dropping my suspicions. I'm not going to explain why. With that in mind I'm not going to lie the way you are talking makes you seem suspicious. Also the fact that you've voted for a no kill the past two rounds. Unless I'm an idiot shouldn't we be lynching folks?

(crs)(fedup)

Goddammit third times the charm.

I'd like to see a Guard kill on Cas and a day lynch on Roxas, if only to give Roxas sometime to claim Tracker or Doctor.

Oh, and my reasoning for thinking Cas is guilty, beyond her general weirdness, is the Dooku kill. Cas has a history of targeting Dooku whenever she has any kind of killing power. I can see CtR deciding he didn't have a chance of making it through, asking his thread who he should take out, and Cas telling him to gun for Dooku.

There was no time for Speed's funeral, everybody's life is still at risk. Instead we held a small gathering honoring her memory. Andy is somewhat sick lately, and Keaton has stormed out of the house multiple times screaming at the top of his lungs "I'll kill the mafia myself!"

I wish these days were over, I'm getting so tired.... so very tired........

{fp}

Uh, I only did a no kill because there's nothing to go by! No one has said anything and it's getting annoying. I don't care if I die.

@Bandit: a history? Lol, we have a history of targeting each other. For fun.

Hey guys.... hoo boy.... how about that Game of Thrones episode last night......

Oh well. I vividly remember her pulling the "I won't be here ____ because of work" stuff when she was Mafia multiple occasions which she did at the very beginning of the game. In addition, I'd say it's typically not a good thing to say "i hate my role" in the game because it either makes you look like potential Mafia (unlikely but I fell for it) but for the most part, a basically confirmed Townie. But this is coming from someone who doesn't like role claiming early in the game and some people might so ~oH wElL~

Anyways, I'd like to have a nice little chat over coffee with Roxas now. where did you go who are you working for you might die

Goddamnit cas stop saying shit like



It makes me suspicious. Especially because I said I didn't have reason to suspect, i never said I was sure. I had my reasons for dropping my suspicions but if I was mafia, would I really have even attempted to give her a chance?

A little disappointed, but overall fine with that. I figured at least one of Cas/Roxas were mafia, but I felt like Cas was the more likely of the two.

We're still in good shape though. If Roxas is the Doctor, he can protect himself. If he's the Tracker, he can be protected by the Doctor or watched by the Journalist, so the mafia probably won't touch him. And if he's neither of those things, then even better.

If you are the Doctor/Tracker and Roxas claims your role, you should 100% come forward because of the reasons I just mentioned. While you're unlikely to make it to the end of the game, you're fine for now and revealing is definitely worth getting the mafia kill.

Oh, and wasn't ctr killed because the journalist outed him, not because he was asking about the granny? I can see how it would be helpful for her to stay hidden though now. Consider my request dropped.

I'm just going to ask you guys that are also town-sided to please look back in this day round and last day round because something just seems really fishy to me. It feels to me like certain people are making calls to action against certain players which are going almost completely unquestioned and most of them seem baseless to me.

Why on earth did Castrael die? She did literally nothing suspicious. Jo Nathan mentioned one thing that was a very, VERY inconclusive piece of """""evidence""""" and suddenly she's at the top of people's radars??? She even voted for a mafia member before it was made public that that person was mafia. It's just baffling to me that she died all things said.

The Bandit, why are you voting for Roxas? Last round you were very cautious in regard to the Journalist claim. Your response to the Journalist claim that CtR Black was almost too certain. Like you knew CtR Black wasn't mafia. It just feels too convenient. Like, if Person A is mafia, and Person B is not mafia, and the Journalist makes a claim along the lines of "Hey Person B, you're so mafia!!" (my point being that it was done in a relatively joking manner which was pretty ambiguous) Person A KNOWS that Person B isn't mafia. The way you acted last round made it seem like you were CERTAIN the Journalist was joking, and the only way you could have been positive of that would be if you were either the Journalist or mafia. But, if you were the Journalist, I find it hard to believe you would POINT OUT that the Journalist could have been joking, since you would want the points.

This round, you're suggesting that we vote for Roxas because the Journalist said that Roxas visited someone. What??? What if Roxas is the Doctor or Tracker? We have literally nothing to suggest Roxas is mafia and to put your vote in on him this early seem very fishy, especially since for all we know we shouldn't trust the Journalist right now (I mean hey, you were unwilling to trust the Journalist last round.) It just seems like you're jumping at the opportunity to lynch a possible town-sided power role.

I have some other minor suspicious but The Bandit's the big one that's been sticking out to me.

Your response to the Journalist claim that CtR Black was mafia was almost too certain*

Wait... CtR Black was mafia... but he was the Marksman, so same thing. Idk I'm confused because of the coloring in the player lists.

Yeah. I was 50/50 on my shot, and almost switched it to Bandit, but decided if Cas was innocent I was going to vote for Bandit anyways.


didn't plan on being revealed though, motherfuckers.

Majora makes a damn good point.

Well I've started at my new job, so can do a certain amount of participation here... we'll see how long this lasts.

Majora, I get why Bandit is going for Roxas (and why I will, too). Like Bandit mentioned earlier in the round (1412566440), there are more "evil" roles running around at night than town-sided ones (afaik, just the Tracker and Doctor... maybe the Special Club too? Either way, no more than 3). The Journalist could've either been visiting Roxas last night, or SBP assuming Roxas was the one who went there to make the kill.

tl;dr I think Bandit started trusting the Journalist because of yesterday's tip.

If the Journalist had visited SBP they would have known for sure Roxas was mafia, and their article would have been a lot more definitive. The Journalist doesn't know what Roxas's role is, and I find it more than a little disconcerting people are throwing votes onto him with less than 24 hours left for him to respond. You make it sound like the odds that Roxas is anti-town are significantly higher than being a 50/50 chance, when the ratio of roles with night actions are 2 (or 3)-2-1-1.

I'm still suspicious of SDYoshi.

There are a total 5 "evil" roles (4 mafia + 1 SK), and only 3 "good" ones (Tracker, Doctor, Journalist) who move at night. Obviously the Journalist wouldn't accuse himself of being mafia, so that drops it down to 2 "good" roles that Roxas might have. He'll have had 36 hours to defend himself by the time the round ends, how much more do you want?

Also, I didn't specify how many "evil" roles move around at night... I don't know which ones do or don't. Obviously the Investigator and Silencer do, but idk if the Godfather and/or Mafioso do any wandering. Hopefully Helius can enlighten us.

the Journalist doesn't give a damn about a person's role or alliance, so long as that person is lynched some time during the game. We've seen where the Journalist goes for somebody just pick somebody off for the easy point.

Aside from me leaving my house, what reason would there be to vote to lynch me?

Wow, why does everything always happen on the days I'm not around?(sad)

I think both Roxas and TB both seem fairly suspicious, but even with the info given, there doesn't seem to be any 100% proof either one is mafia.

TB, you seem to have the most votes against you at the moment. Care to shed on info on the above accusations?

Roxas then what on earth is your role? You didn't deny that you left your house, so that fact is basically confirmed at this point. Therefore you have no reason to not reveal your role unless you're anti-town, because if you're town-sided you're pretty much a guaranteed mafia target of some form since they KNOW you're not the Granny now.

Taking my vote off The Bandit and changing it to Roxas just because I'm suspicious and this will tie the vote.

I am the other Special Club member.

If Roxas is the Doctor, he can protect himself. If he's the Tracker, he can be protected by the Doctor or watched by the Journalist, so the mafia probably won't touch him. And if he's neither of those things, then even better.

No reason to not reveal your role Roxas.

Sorry for inactivity, out of town and then sickness.

I don't think the journalist would lie about a claim when he has so many opportunities to hit someone in the night. I've said before, once the journalist lies about someone, the town won't be eager to believe him again. Only question is whether or not it's a town role. Math says Roxas would be a mafia role in that case.

SORRY I'M HERE just been busybusybusy playing the hell out of Smash 3DS.

Anyway, I have to reread over the thread to be sure, but it looks to me like our Journalist may have given us another Mafia. I'm hesitant to just throw a vote out there, but the Journalist did give us CtR Black free for the lynching (even if the Guard ended up offing him instead), so that's enough reason for me to believe the reports. I haven't seen any inkling of personal suspicion for The Bandit, and he did admit to being Town-sided, but look where that's gotten us in the past. I still remember the game when the Mafia offed the Sniper and then Janitored the body and then one of them claimed Sniper, and we had no idea since the body was hidden.

Ahem...back on topic. Between Bandit and Roxas, I'm more inclined to believe that Roxas is guilty than Bandit, simply because I'd sooner believe a guilty verdict from a Journalist report than someone's claim of innocence. Not sure which to vote for though, since Majora does brink up some damned good points regarding Bandit.

Holding my vote for now, will post more thoughts tomorrow when/if I have time.

Not sure which to vote for though, since Majora does brink up some damned good points regarding Bandit.

I was hoping my role claim would be enough, but let's just make this totally clear and settle it:

Why on earth did Castrael die? She did literally nothing suspicious.

There was a tiny bit more to my reasoning. Dooku said in our thread that if he dies, it is likely because of Castrael. Given how CtR died and his role, I put those few pieces together to decide that maybe Cas influenced his death. I was wrong, but given the info I had I'd gladly kill her again.

Last round you were very cautious in regard to the Journalist claim.

Because, as you mentioned yourself in your own post, the Journalist's article had a very playful tone to it that I misread as not being a direct accusation. Today's article had none of that. It just said Roxas left his house.

I was NOT saying yesterday that we shouldn't trust the Journalist because he maybe might be lying to us. I've never operated like that in mafia. While my decisions might be wrong, I still have reasons for why I do them. Yesterday, I had a very specific reason for thinking that the Journalist might be lying to us. Today, I do not have any specific reason, so why should I doubt him?

What if Roxas is the Doctor or Tracker? We have literally nothing to suggest Roxas is mafia and to put your vote in on him this early seem very fishy, especially since for all we know we shouldn't trust the Journalist right now (I mean hey, you were unwilling to trust the Journalist last round.)

This is not good logic. The numbers show that, if Roxas moved around last night (which he doesn't deny), then he's more likely to be a role we should kill. That alone should be enough for everyone to vote for him. Why would you not play the odds that will overwhelming help you?

But, as I have already stated, if Roxas is the Doctor or Tracker, then he should just role reveal, because it doesn't hurt us that much. My vote puts pressure on him to role reveal, and since vote locking is not on, it's something I can easily change.

There's nothing suspicious in what I've done. I've just been wrong a lot.

By the way, at this point I would be very, very suspicious of a last minute role reveal by Roxas. The later he reveals his role, the less likely he is to get counter claimed.

Because the odds are not as good as you make it out to be.

Roles that move:
Silencer
Investigator
Whoever makes the mafia kill
Serial Killer
Doctor
Tracker
Journalist

That's just barely above a 50% chance. Not exactly the greatest odds when there is no evidence suggesting he's guilty.

Though I will admit I find it highly suspicious that Roxas responded the way he did. And a big part of my post was made under the implication CtR Black was a townie (for real the player list colors threw me off :'(...) I honestly think I'm more on board with a Roxas kill than a Bandit kill right now.

(suprised)

Can't wait all day for a Roxas reveal. Doubt I would believe him this late anyway.

The fact that Bandit role claimed Special Club member makes me believe him. There is no reason why the real SCM wouldn't come forward.

jo nathan i miss your euphony

Good luck with the very active Mafia, folks!

Well assuming you're innocent, you may as well share whatever info you have... who you targeted each night, for example.

Well, Apollo was definitely busy this round, but maybe not so much.

After last game, chief had to leave early. Speed is hit and miss.

Nathan was getting a little too comfortable last round, which is why he isn't speaking now.

Oh,and Majora's next to go. :)

How's that for a confession?

Not so much last round*