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night 4 highway to the danger zone

Posted June 11, 2013 by White Thunder

The town woke up that morning a bit weary. The last night had been quite unfortunate for the town- what would this night yield? They found the body of MajorasMask9 with his fingertips cut off, making it hard to identify him. But after a deep search they found out that he was a Townie.

1. white lancer- Vigilante
2. Speed Bike Pro- Doctor
3. Hindenburg
4. Kyon
5. Roxas
6. Jo Nathan
7. MajorasMask9- Townie
8. Apollo Justice- Mafioso
9. Pirate_Ninja
10. Redack
11. Castrael
12. Feral- Silencer
13. Black Yoshi
14. weid man
15. Trever Leingod
16. igga
17. The Bandit
18. chiefsonny
19. Yeano
20. Zanic
21. #85
22. Bubba
23. Count Dooku
24. hezekiah
25. Llight- Apprentice
26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
27. Shadowwalked

Town-Mafia ratio: 14-6

Town roles: Cop, Governor, Double-Voter, Townie x10

Mafia roles: Godfather, Assassin, Hooker, Mafioso x3

72 hours or 12 votes to end the round.

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June 11, 2013
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Hindenburg
Life's path is never straight.



when will the senseless slaughter end...

June 11, 2013
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Pirate_Ninja

We killed White Thunder yesterday. Where were you?

I haven't seen anything to alleviate my suspicions yet.

June 11, 2013
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hezekiah

Obviously the mafia has some strategists on it because they keep taking out all of the power players. No clue why Yeano is still alive, so he is on the top of my list. I'm not going to vote for him yet because I believe the mafia could just be trying to bait us into voting him out(he could be our cop).

June 11, 2013
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Zanic

I had doubts about Yeano being the Cop after he claimed. I had doubts about Yeano being the Cop all of last round (given it was a short round). I have doubts of Yeano being the Cop now, especially with no Doctor to protect him and the Mafia and/or Assassin choosing to let him live. They may be wanting to bait us with that, so I'll hold off on a vote for now.

Would like to hear a lot from our more quiet players and see what they have to say.

June 11, 2013
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`Roxas`

I thought I smelled something fishy about Apollo last round. Her reasoning may have been sound but it had a fatal flaw -- Speed had sworn himself to secrecy about his role after last game. Yeano himself said he had talked to Speed wondering what Speed's role was only for Speed to say he had sworn himself to secrecy.

That said, for Yeano to claim Cop and yet still be living after the Doctor was offed seems...a bit weird, to be honest. Mayhap he is the Cop, or mayhap he's just a Townie claiming Cop to keep the real Cop out of trouble (and the Mafia can't tell which), but I think the most likely scenario is that he's Mafia and claimed Cop in order to gain our trust.

Holding my vote for now pending further discussion.

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Black Yoshi

Like Yeano said yesterday, I would really like to hear from the less active players.

June 11, 2013
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The Bandit

Let me specify who I would like to hear more from:

weid
Shadowwalked
Kyon
Redack
Hindenburg
Dooku
Trever (if possible)

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`Roxas`

Ok, after reading what happened in the last round - I can't fault someone just for being skeptical of voting for Apollo, but the way chief went about it is 100% consistent with the way he's defended fellow Mafia/alien teammates in previous games. I am very much confident that he's Mafia.

But I still have to go with this:

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Jo Nathan

Dooku, I'm assuming we'll hear more from considering he was silenced.

Redack is unusually quiet and unhelpful this game.

Trever is as well.

Weid is apparently doing his routine.

Haven't played with Hindenburg or Kyon enough.

Shadowwalked is generally inconsistent with his posting.

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Zanic

Another thing that caught my eye yesterday was Black Yoshi's posts. He posted a total of 3 times and in the first one he was more suspicious of Yeano and more defensive of Apollo. In his other two posts, he was more aggressive towards Apollo after people had already voted for her. I find that to be a very sporadic posting pattern. I'm not saying he's mafia, but just to keep an eye on him.

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Zanic

Obviously the mafia has some strategists on it because they keep taking out all of the power players. No clue why Yeano is still alive, so he is on the top of my list. I'm not going to vote for him yet because I believe the mafia could just be trying to bait us into voting him out(he could be our cop).


If he's the cop I don't understand why you'd want to be suspicious of him. With Majora gone and all, we still have a pretty good amount. Only one kill from Mafia last night though, hrm.

June 11, 2013
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Castrael

*amount of strong players left

June 11, 2013
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Castrael

LLight is 2/2 on his list of power roles/mafia members. I'm not breaking the streak yet.

June 11, 2013
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Count Dooku

Llight seemed to know what he was doing. He hasn't been wrong yet, but I'm going to hold off until we hear from Yeano. I'd like to see what he has to say.

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Zanic

If he's the cop I don't understand why you'd want to be suspicious of him.

Well, there was one Mafia kill last night and it wasn't him. That's a start. And it's no secret that him and Majora aren't exactly buddy-buddy when it comes down to gameplay.

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`Roxas`

@Roxas: Are you suspicious of Yeano too? Or, are you waiting for Yeano to make his response? Like, we all are. Claiming a cop that early in the game is a big risk.

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Castrael

Let me specify who I would like to hear more from:
weid
Shadowwalked
Kyon
Redack
Hindenburg
Dooku
Trever (if possible)


I would like to hear more from these players myself. However, I doubt weid will post and if he does, it probably won't be helpful to us.

That said, we should not lynch anyone because of inactivity (I know that goes against the way I usually play, but after the way the last game went, I feel we can't take a chance) because the town needs the numbers, especially after we've lost too many power roles.

I hope White Thunder holds off on any host kill.

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chiefsonny
 

I still have full confidence in Yeano, for the record. I don't see a mafia member fake revealing a cop, unless weid man or some other inactive guy just told them "Yeah, I'm the cop, and I'm going to the Bahamas for 2 weeks bye!" The risk of the real cop just instantly counter claiming is way too high, especially with the doctor in play. I strongly suspect that they hookered him last night and left him alive hoping that we'd kill him today. There is no risk to that play.

I did get a weird feeling when he revealed, but, really, what else do we have to go on to think Yeano is not who he says he is? It's not really a lot, imo.

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The Bandit

I also have two other concerns that some of you have also expressed.

1. If Yeano is the Cop, why hasn't the Mafia taken him out.

2. Why did the Mafia pass up the chance to kill 2 of us last night.
Was the Assassin not around? Maybe one of the inactive players.

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chiefsonny
 

I am unsure who the Assassin might be, but there are too many Inactive players to chose from. I'm even playing when I just had surgery on my mouth (Wisdom Teeth). But, I need to get some early shut out so I can take my meds in the morning.

I'm curious about Redack though. It's unlike him to be inactive during a game. I know he might be asleep at this time, but, he's been unusually quiet.

June 11, 2013
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Castrael

So that my previous short reply doesn't get lost in the crowd of posts, I'd just like to reiterate that I think Redack and chief are both Mafia. And I'm still somewhat suspicious of Black Yoshi.

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Jo Nathan

I personally don't think Chief is Mafia, but I am leaning towards Redack though. Why do you think Chief is? Maybe I might change my mind.

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Castrael

I'd like to point out that Redack was just as quiet last game because he wanted to stay alive longer and he ended up being a townie. His plan worked very well actually; he only ended up being killed after pretty much all the other talkative players were put out and he was forced to step up.

Obviously, if he was mafia he knows all this and would employ the same strategy, hoping some dummy like me would bring up last game. But, I just don't think "quiet = mafia" for him. Being alive this many rounds might mean mafia, but, then again, his quietness means he's not really a threat to them yet.

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The Bandit

I think he's Mafia for other reasons. I feel it's very likely his skills were instrumental to the Mafia taking out the power roles. And he didn't give any rebuttal whatsoever to my accusation.

@Cas: I'll repost what I previously said about chief:

Ok, after reading what happened in the last round - I can't fault someone just for being skeptical of voting for Apollo, but the way chief went about it is 100% consistent with the way he's defended fellow Mafia/alien teammates in previous games. I am very much confident that he's Mafia.


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Jo Nathan

Why do you think Chief is?


He always thinks I'm am. Check last game threads. He thought I was Mafia then and I was Townie.

He's wrong this time to.

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chiefsonny
 

Chief, I accused you of being Mafia last game because I was Mafia and needed you to die. {:P}

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Jo Nathan

Well If it worked last game for you, you must think it will work again.

But the results will be the same.

Chiefsonny: Townie


Jo Nathan: Mafia? Time will tell.

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chiefsonny
 

Jo confirmed mafia again.

June 11, 2013
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The Bandit

I want to hear Yeanos response on who his check was. But I dont think he is the cop so far.

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#85

Are you suspicious of Yeano too? Or, are you waiting for Yeano to make his response? Like, we all are. Claiming a cop that early in the game is a big risk.

Both; I'm certain if he were the Cop, he would have waited before only having one verdict to reveal. His "verdicts" on Speed and Apollo don't guarantee that he is the Cop. And I am absolutely not going to be sold on him until I see Cop by his name.

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`Roxas`

@#85: For night 3? That was Apollo.

@Nathan:
Chief, I accused you of being Mafia last game because I was Mafia and needed you to die.


{fp}

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Castrael

Both; I'm certain if he were the Cop, he would have waited before only having one verdict to reveal. His "verdicts" on Speed and Apollo don't guarantee that he is the Cop. And I am absolutely not going to be sold on him until I see Cop by his name.


I agree with you.

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Castrael

Both; I'm certain if he were the Cop, he would have waited before only having one verdict to reveal. His "verdicts" on Speed and Apollo don't guarantee that he is the Cop. And I am absolutely not going to be sold on him until I see Cop by his name.


This^^

And why is the Mafia letting him live.

June 11, 2013
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chiefsonny
 

Maybe the ones who are inactive couldn't have the chance to vote because they weren't there to? Or, it would be too obvious to vote for Yeano maybe?

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Castrael

For night 3? That was Apollo.

... That was Night 2. This last one was Night 3, and Yeano hasn't responded yet.

And why is the Mafia letting him live.

Exactly the reason that my suspicions of him have increased.

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`Roxas`

Maybe they thought Yeano had lied? And thought Majora was the cop instead?

June 11, 2013
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Castrael

I'm thinking of people are going to be inactive, they shouldn't play. That's my opinion though.

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Castrael

*if

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Castrael

Doesn't seem too odd. Yeano was probably hooker'd this round, with mafia intentions of getting him the next go around. Only other option is that the mafia doesn't believe he is the cop, which could very well be it, as I'm still not entirely sold on him being the cop.

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Bubba

I don't think he has said anything yet. Since his claim.

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Castrael

I think chiefsonny is acting suspicious

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#85

Why did the Mafia pass up the chance to kill 2 of us last night.
Was the Assassin not around? Maybe one of the inactive players.


I have a theory on why the mafia didn't kill two people. After examining this post by WT, the role "Lazarus" is no longer under the town power roles. Could the mafia have possibly went after him and he resurrected? I'm not sure if it's supposed to be revealed to the town if he came back or not.

And I've also noticed that Yeano has gotten increasingly more quiet the longer the game goes on. I'm not sure if it's a plot by the mafia to get us to kill him or if he's trying to fly more and more under the radar to avoid suspicion. This is just making me more and more suspicious of him and I'm very eager to hear his response.

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Zanic

After examining this post by WT, the role "Lazarus" is no longer under the town power roles. Could the mafia have possibly went after him and he resurrected?

Goddamn, good eye.

June 11, 2013
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The Bandit

If that did happen, then the Lazurus had to know who the Assassin is and he should, imo, come forward.

June 11, 2013
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The Bandit

er, random mafia guy. Not assassin.

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The Bandit

Let me specify who I would like to hear more from:

weid
Shadowwalked
Kyon
Redack
Hindenburg
Dooku
Trever (if possible)


I will weep for you dear MM9, for all the things we didn't get to do this game. Were you mafia? Well I asked the cop and he said you are. I am the cop and I did check you... The memories! Now all we have left is your cold dead fingertip-less corpse. Now who will give me cherries? This end was un-befitting of you, yet with all your masks you could not stop it. I will see to it that you are avenged dearest MM9, these heretics and infidels will burn in the eternal flames of damnation! They will know fear before the end of our age! They will beg forgiveness! For only the flame can redeem them now, only the flame can purge them of their mortal sins and allow them to transcend into the eternal night!

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Redack

My thoughts on recent events:

Jo Nathan is insistent upon lynching me... Are you just jealous of my dashing British charm? Or are you mafia trying to cause a distraction?

Castrael is likely mafia... AGAIN... She's totally giving off that mafia vibe that she usually does and is generally just repeating what others say to fit in.

Shadowwalked is probably mafia too... We might as well entertain LLight's speculations, the fact that Shadowwalked is generally a quiet player until the end makes it difficult to read him therefore it might be more beneficial to simply remove him from the equation now (plus as Dooku noted, LLight has been RRight thus far).

Yeano... Is highly likely the cop. I believed him when he revealed, as he'd been asking me OOG what I thought the cop should do, etc, etc. Maybe it was a clever setup, but the fact that Majora died this round it seems a lot more likely that the Mafia has left him alive because of the distrust toward his reveal, then killed Majora who was suspicious of him in order to create more suspicion of the cop.

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Redack

As for why the assassin didn't kill. I don't think the assassin ever has been killing, I think it's just been regular Mafia kills and Vig kills. With the Vig gone we'll probably see one kill.

I'm unsure why the assassin would play it safe when the townie to power role ratio was in their favour from the start... Even more so now... I can only assume it's a new player, a bad player or an inactive player (or all three combined).

Weid potentially fills those criteria. He's also the most likely to ignore (or miss) if other mafia were urging him to use his power which I can only assume they would be given the clear advantage two kills per night gives them...

The only alternative in my mind is an inactive player, because even a bad player would surely listen to their fellow mafia? Unless the entire mafia aren't as smart as I'm giving them credit for and they've all totally ignored the assassin role and I just pointed this out to them thus making things worse?

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Redack

Also!

To Redack I leave my review of Star Trek: Into Darkness. I literally just saw it and gosh it was so mighty fine. The character development was insanely good and OH MY GOSH SHERLOCK WAS SO GREAT IN IT


WTF! Next time leave me something proper or don't die at all!

Although you're right, Benedict Cumberbatch was brilliant in it :D

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Redack

Chief:
Well If it worked last game for you, you must think it will work again.


Redack:
Jo Nathan is insistent upon lynching me... Are you just jealous of my dashing British charm? Or are you mafia trying to cause a distraction?


Gentlemen, you have completely evaded my accusations and, in lieu of saying anything to address them, are simply turning it around and trying to argue that I'm Mafia. From what I can see, the only evidence you have against me is that I'm trying to lynch players whom I find suspicious.

However, I must admit I am a bit less suspicious of Redack now than I previously was. Must be that dashing British charm...

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Jo Nathan

Shadowwalked is Guilty.

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Yeano

Yeano's been 2-for-2 so far, so...

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`Roxas`

Oh why not.

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Jo Nathan

It probably goes without saying, but if Yeano isn't the cop, the real one should probably come forward pretty darn soon.

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Jo Nathan

Shadow, really? Wow i didnt expect to see that one coming.

@Redack: and why the vibe dear Admin? i havent been much of a threat. Im just trying to understand the reasoning and what must be done.

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Castrael

forgot to vote.

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Castrael

Shadow, huh? Well, so far Yeano's been right on the money, but something deep within me is screaming at me not to trust him yet. After all, Majora voiced his suspicion of Yeano and that night he was dead. Not to mention that he claimed Cop on Day 2 and somehow he's still living.

Still, a guilty verdict is better than nothing.

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Black Yoshi

im highly suspicious of Yeano and Redack too.

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Castrael

What reason was there to check Shadowwalked? Or is the mafia giving up an inactive mafioso to gain credibility? Yeano gets more and more suspicious imo. It actually is suprising there hasn't been a cop counter-claim yet. Either the real cop has nothing for us yet, or is inactive.

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#85

...come to think of it, I think there was, we just ignored it in the whole Yeano fiasco. Back in Day 2, Jo Nathan said this:

Guys I'm the cop.


...which we completely ignored. Mayhap he was joking, but it's definitely worth a second look.

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Black Yoshi

Actually, Shadowwalked's inactivity would make him an ideal target for the cop. Otherwise, he would be impossible to read and he could survive to the end as a Mafia member.

Regarding the whole Yeano thing... I can see it going either way. Maybe he's the real cop, and the reason he's still alive is because the Mafia are waiting to counter-claim until we're at a mis-lynch and lose situation to screw us up.

To counter this, I propose the following strategy:

  • If we get a counter-claim when the ratio is dangerously close, we should NOT trust it and immediately lynch the person.
  • In other words, if Yeano is not the cop, the real cop should come forward BEFORE we get close to a mis-lynch and lose situation. We need to be able to validate your claim without risking losing the whole game.

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    Jo Nathan

    Yoshi, in my post after that one, I clarified that I wasn't being serious.

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    Jo Nathan

    So, Nathan, if you're being serious, what role is Yeano then?

    I'm confused.

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    Castrael

    nevermind, read that wrong

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    Castrael

    Alright. If this works out, Yeano will have gained my trust. We could actually pull this out after a disastrous start.

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    Zanic

    Let's ride Yeano into the night.

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    Bubba

    Speed Bike Pro: Innocent
    Yeano
    Friday, Jun 7, 2013 -- 6:15pm


    Apollo is guilty btw. Checked her last night.
    Yeano
    Sunday, Jun 9, 2013 -- 2:43pm


    Shadowwalked is Guilty.
    Yeano
    Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013--9:56am



    Yeano's been 2-for-2 so far, so...
    `Roxas`
    Tuesday, Jun 11, 2013 -- 10:16am


    `Roxas` is right. He has been right two times.

    Speed
    Apollo. Apollo was a late call for him. I think she already had 6-7 votes.

    And there's still the "Why's he still alive" thing.

    I really want to believe him, But I'm just not sure. However, if he's right this time, I think that will convince me.

    Actually, Shadowwalked's inactivity would make him an ideal target for the cop


    I do agree with JN on this because it could answer some questions. If we were voting just because he's inactive, then I would say no. But he's now more than that.

    I need to go back and read the post again. Will vote later.

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    chiefsonny
     

    I really want to believe him, But I'm just not sure. However, if he's right this time, I think that will convince me.

    Yeah, it would be a bad move for him to sell out two of his teammates in back-to-back rounds after they lost their best role.

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    `Roxas`

    @Redack: and why the vibe dear Admin? i havent been much of a threat. Im just trying to understand the reasoning and what must be done.
    im highly suspicious of Yeano and Redack too.


    Whilst you may be suspicious of me you're making no attempts to push for my lynch nor are you providing any reasons for why I am suspicious. You're simply joining everyone else & reminding people of my supposed suspiciousness presumably in an attempt to get someone else to lynch me or just distract everyone which is a fairly basic but effective mafia tactic.

    However, I must admit I am a bit less suspicious of Redack now than I previously was. Must be that dashing British charm...


    Works every time {;)} but seriously I'm just a townie, so if you want to lynch me then you won't be losing a power role... You'll just have made an enemy for life...

    Also since the cop said he's guilty I'm going to vote for him... Nothing personal Shadowwalked, it's just good business.


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    Redack

    Also four (three if the DV has voted already) more votes needed.

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    `Roxas`

    I'm beginning to think that the only reason that the mafia left Yeano alive is because they thought we would lynch him. Obviously they're wrong and we're going to kill one of them.

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    Zanic

    Yeah, it would be a bad move for him to sell out two of his teammates in back-to-back rounds after they lost their best role.


    Only because the cop is still around to counter-claim if Yeano were lying (which I don't believe he is)... Otherwise it is a really good move, assuming the other mafia were in on it and didn't turn on you after doing it {:P}

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    Redack

    I guess we will see what happens

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    #85

    k

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    The Bandit

    @Redack: If what you say you are is true, the I have no reason to be. I trust you. ^.^

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    Castrael

    After examining this post by WT, the role "Lazarus" is no longer under the town power roles.

    That was my mistake. I just forgot to put it in. There will be some indication of it in here if Lazarus is resurrected.

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    White Thunder

    Was the Lazarus killed then? I'm confused.

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    Castrael

    Before the round ends, I'll just throw in my two cents while I can.

    I still think chief is guilty.

    I am also concerned about #85. Him voicing skepticism about Yeano targeting Shadow could have been a Mafioso's subtle way of encouraging people to vote Yeano off (assuming Yeano really is the cop) on top of the points Roxas brought up against him a few rounds ago.

    Still wondering about Black Yoshi too, although he's not one of my main suspects anymore.

    Yeah, it would be a bad move for him to sell out two of his teammates in back-to-back rounds after they lost their best role.


    Honestly, I've lost my ability to be surprised by anything in this game. Even if someone helps to eliminate all but one Mafia member, that person would still be a potential suspect in my book. But I do feel Yeano is most likely innocent at this point.

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    Jo Nathan

    After some surprisingly quick deliberation, the town decided that it was time to lynch Shadowwalked. After hanging him up, they searched his house, and while what they found disgusted them, they were just especially happy that they had killed the Hooker.

    1. white lancer- Vigilante
    2. Speed Bike Pro- Doctor
    3. Hindenburg
    4. Kyon
    5. Roxas
    6. Jo Nathan
    7. MajorasMask9- Townie
    8. Apollo Justice- Mafioso
    9. Pirate_Ninja
    10. Redack
    11. Castrael
    12. Feral- Silencer
    13. Black Yoshi
    14. weid man
    15. Trever Leingod
    16. igga
    17. The Bandit
    18. chiefsonny
    19. Yeano
    20. Zanic
    21. #85
    22. Bubba
    23. Count Dooku
    24. hezekiah
    25. Llight- Apprentice
    26. Female Alpha Wolf- Townie
    27. Shadowwalked- Hooker

    Town-Mafia ratio: 14-5

    24 hours or until all night actions are in.

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    White Thunder

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