Mafia

v.v

I'm never saying another word that will silent me again.

That sucked. And so much for my plan then. :P

#facepalm told you all that Helius was innocent. I think it's pretty obvious that Bandit should be at the top of the list today.

I knew Helius was innocent <.<

But, yes, I think we should put him at the top as well.

There are plenty of other Humbugs to look out for though ><

Uggggggggh. I don't know why I never follow my gut.
And Xhin. You suck. #facepalm
And I'm in agreement with looking at The Bandit... Roxas seemed to know what he was doing, which was probably why he was taken out of the game. I think we should also look back at MM9.

I was also going to agree with MM9, as well. But, he said the g word only to let others know what we said the previous round. I'd like to think that The Bandit and MM9 are both Humbugs.

But, that's my guess.

I am not guilty. If you look at the last game, I voted for Helius then too solely because he voted for himself. I made it very clear that I hate that shit, and I intend to vote for anyone whenever they do it, regardless of whether or not I find them innocent. It's just a really fucking terrible move. And while it is true that I was mafia last game, I had no idea who was innocent and who was not, so nothing can be read into that.

Further, I fully expected everyone to jump on my case for voting Helius last round, and I was waiting to make this exact defense. I couldn't. I got silenced. If I was mafia trying to off Helius, I wouldn't make a risky move and then intentionally silence myself, leaving me completely defenseless to a town lynching.

Frosty the snowman was a jolly happy soul
With a corncob pipe and a button nose
and length of fired heated pipe in his back.

Thumpetty thump thump
thumpety thump thump
Look at Frosty melt.

Boy, it's a great day in Whoville(hug)

You won't fool me mafia!

Reason: A Joke

If you do lynch me, at least have enough sense to call for a role claim tomorrow. I am just an elf, so with me gone the mafia will have less people to hide among when we are in mislynch or lose.

Now you're just trying to trick me.

Take this!

#facepalm @ Dook :P

Does anyone, looking back, feel Jo Nathan could be a Humbug?

Poor Cindy Lou Who, ran away from home.

I liked her, she was a cute little kid. Tried to sell me Girl Scout cookies once.

I slammed the door in her face.
Little beggar.

If I had only known about Cindy Lou sooner. (shifty)

Well, in this case, we could only be fair :P

Lynching me is acceptable so long as Castrael's vote doesn't count toward it.

:O

That's highly unacceptable Dook. You could be the Mafia after all. {:P}

I'm betting my gut Jo Nathan, MM9, Hezekiah, CTR Black, and Serpe are the Humbugs. I could be wrong though

Oops, forgot to change my vote to:

Guys, just to let you know, I won't be able to come back here until either late tonight (if I'm not too drunk) or tomorrow morning.

I think chiefsonny's making this game entertaining for me single-handedly. So now that something dramatic has gone down last round and night, some serious deductions can start rolling in.

Majora's at the top of my list. I think he's been acting way out of character with his lynch-happiness , going after both Roxas and Helius - especially Helius back in Round 2, simply for the reason of "might as well lynch someone tonight". He's way too much of an experienced player to pull that. He claimed that he didn't want to bandwagon, but I think we all know that once one person gets voted for around the second day onward, it avalanches. And that's exactly what happened.

And of course there's Bandit. Roxas was certainly suspicious enough to try to kill him, but that doesn't solidify anything. The only thing catching my eye is how quickly he went with voting for Helius. Regardless of how irritating a self-vote might be, that's not a strong excuse. He's getting pretty defensive against the accusations, but I haven't seen much of his play style to determine if that's odd or the norm with him.

On the topic of Roxas, I... really can't draw any conclusions. It's just too ambiguous for me, since his extreme activity ended up drawing everyone's attention and that wasn't doing him any good. A possible (but idle) thought I have is that the (grouches) knew that Roxas was a power role due to his activity, so they were quick to do him in.

Well it doesn't mean much now but when I saw that FAW had put in a vote for Helius last round I was going to take my vote off of Helius to tie it again, but Feral had the thread locked at least 15 minutes before I expected the round to actually be over and couldn't change my vote :/. LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH NOW SINCE HELIUS IS DEAD, but I just wanted to let his dead soul know I at least tried to save him :(.

Also, I'm going to role reveal and say that I'm Rudolph (the Spy-esque role). Only revealing what may seem early in case my being the one that started the Helius "bandwagon" hurt my credibility any, and because I've been wondering if anyone thinks they could figure out who said these messages (the second one in particular seems like it could be easy to figure out for someone that talks to the person outside of mafia). These are the mafia thread replies I got the last two nights:





The names in the second one were removed but I assume they were talking about:

-Killing Roxas on Night 2
-That the two people the town might want were killed were me and ??? (The Bandit most likely, IMO)

SO YEAH, INFO.

....... *head explodes*

Also, I never said we should lynch Roxas. I pretty much spent half of the last round defending him.

MM9 does have a valid good point here and with me being the newbie of the game and all, it's confusing to say who's who. All in good hands though, but now that we lost Helius and them, we really need to be careful. It's all up to the odds now.

So, I think I'm going to stick to not voting for now and see what happens.

Also, apologies for the random voting. {shy}

we still got a good chance at this game. we can still mislynch and it wont ruin us. that being said if we mislynch this round, those we recievd the x stufs 4rm santa should report what they found

If we do lynch though and it turns out to be just another townie, then we're screwed :P

Well, with those items Santa may give us, they may not be of use to us. :/ We should try to lynch someone tonight. They've been lynching townies x.x

they huh? not we? ok i can let that slide. but your writing looks a lot like the ghost of christmas. and the way u were hard on 4 mm9 all round, and then changd your vote immediately when he claimd rudolph further proves ur guilt. the newbie claim isnt gonna work anymore. the jiggs up ghost of christmas

oh and

v.v

This is why I should probably shut up. :P I talk too much. lol. I'm not who you think I am and I could be wrong about you, but you could also be twisting my words around. <.<

So, with that said. :P

I was kind of thinking that the Ghost's reply sounded like Castrael as well, but I don't really know Castrael too well (compared to a lot of other people here, anyway) which is one of the reasons I wanted to post it.

Would still like to hear some other opinions though!

I don't agree that that sounds like Castrael at all. It has two typos/grammar issues in it. I don't see those kinds of mistakes in her writing ever. She could be mafia, but I'd eat my hat if Ghost of whatever is her.

Ctr seems to type

He's getting pretty defensive against the accusations, but I haven't seen much of his play style to determine if that's odd or the norm with him.

I'll be even more defensive. I have never typed "yeah" as "yea" in my life. Ever. I would also never say "Ah well." That's just weird. I'd say "Oh well."

That doesn't prove anything, but maybe someone from JediSith will have paid enough attention to my writing style to confirm this.

Ctr seems to type poorly however.

My brain just stopped working I guess.

The time to strike is now

O.O; the ghost of what?

...

#facepalm

You guys, you guys, hold up! v.v

Think about this for a second. Are we just here to lynch or are we actually trying to discuss who's who right now?

Cas has a point. Now's the worst time to take Bandit's advice and vote for someone just for the need to do so (on that topic, I agree with FAW and Frustro that he *might* be a person of interest. 1 bad lynch and the game is tied by the next day round. Which is why Helius's move annoyed me, because getting himself killed did the town no favors in this game or the last.

I've noticed several others have been quite busy lately. Didn't Trever make some kind Scrooge reference the last round?

well bandit your typing was never called into question. and if u look at the ghosts excerpt, i believe there was only 1 typo. so thanks 4 defending me buddy. as 4 cas, in this round, ive only found very few typoes. my hypothesis, therefore, is consisent with the data. check, please

actually 3, but still. twasnt horrible.

CtR, you just always strike me as suspicious in every game we play so I don't know what to make of you. {:P}

EXCUSE YOU... yeah, your right. I think we should just kill [name removed] tonight to. They probably will want to kill [name removed] and [name removed] next round maybe instead of one of us. If they don't we can kill them later.
-Ghost of Christmas Future, Day 2

*YOU'RE right

*tonight TOO

Now's the worst time to take Bandit's advice and vote for someone just for the need to do so

And I 100% agree with this, by the way.

I make a lot of typos on messengers and on Jedi Sith. I'm always editing. I just cant edit here. lol

The Mafia is just playing with us. v.v

Honestly between Helius's suicide and Xhin's host kill, the town's been sorta screwed over this game. Unless we get a series of lucky kills this is going to end rather badly :P

Don't forget Frosty the Snowman as well.

The Mafia's toying with us, most definitely. We need to find those that are trying to make us go against our own. That's what they're doing. :P

Yeah, the Roxas bit was meant to be directed towards Bandit while I was editing/rearranging my pre-reply, sorry 'bout that.

I'm getting vibes from Castrael, CtR Black, and Bandit this Round... but considering CtR's on Castrael's case, they probably can't both be Humbugs. *Sherlock-levels of deductive power*

I have vibes on CTR Black and Bandit. but also FAW and Dook.

I still think The Bandit is innocent. Who else would the humbugs have mentioned in the Ghost's reply? At the start of the round The Bandit was one of the biggest targets, and my name was also thrown around a little because of starting the votes for Helius.

If the mafia were referring to The Bandit, and if he was mafia, they wouldn't have mentioned killing him in the following sentence.

Also, because this was bothering me a little:



What is the "g word"?

Is that referring to "gifts"?

Ohok :)

I really hate having to be careful about picking words... being jinxed is quite awful. (shifty)

I really thought Roxas was perhaps our jinxer. He was playing around a lot with what words were jinxing us all. I was suspecting that he was trying to mess with our heads and throw us off. Good thing I refrained for voting for him. o_o

(shifty) Still thinking about who's a humbug, but time is running out.

So chiefsonny, how is this game going for you? {:P} I think I'd be rather bored not trying to figure someone out or trying to hide while playing a Mafia... you don't have to do either. You can just sit there laughing at us while being completely safe. BAH HUMBUG, indeed!

Yes I can.

:D{:D}:D{:D}:D{:D}

That's true. But to keep my paranoia fit and strong, if Majora wasn't Rudolph, would he be host-killed for false quoting, or would it be cool because of the role itself and no names given?

OH, by the way. I have set up a lemon aid stand down at the town square.

It's really nice and cold. Made it with the ice cold water Frosty left behind after I pulled that heated pipe out of his back.

Got the lemons from Cindy Lou Who's pad. She won't miss them.

Everyone's invited.

I also have vibes on Trever

I mean... why else wouldn't he be talking to the Scrooge?

{:P}

LOL. Our Host is to quick for me.

I picked up the pipe that was laying on the ground in the puddle of ice cold water that was there because of the demise of Frosty, which was caused by me inserting said pipe when it was red hot in his back.

Are you coming down for some lemon aid?

Consider this:

If I'm a humbug, I'm setting myself up to be killed by the real Rudolph eventually; either when they die and their role is revealed, or if they counterclaimed right now. Claiming a power as a humbug this early wouldn't benefit a humbug much at all unless they could keep the real role hidden (ie Janitor, which isn't in this game).

That being said, I am Rudolph. The humbugs will be aware of this too, because they'll know that the messages I posted are legitimate. If they were to kill me, then that would prove my legitimacy, and at the very least could prove that The Bandit is innocent (again, assuming he is the person the Ghost was talking about, which is very likely IMO). We should also keep in mind that Santa can protect people like a Doctor, and by pointing myself out as a power role, it could make the humbugs want to target me, but it could also make them want to avoid killing me because of the possibility of a Santa protect (WIFOM).

^ Those are pretty much the reasons why I felt safe revealing my role this early. I think it's decent information, as well.

Not sure how much longer we have but it's at least 24 hours. We probably should lynch someone today so let's make sure we take our time figuring out who.

Well, right now I don't really want to vote for Castrael. Not even sure about CtR.

I'm a little suspicious of FAW. In her first reply to this round, she pointed out two people that the town should be suspicious of (me and The Bandit), similar to what the Ghost of Christmas Future mentioned in their mafia thread reply. I'm also kind of naturally suspicious of it when people give a reason for why someone was killed (ie "Roxas seemed to know what he was doing, which was probably why he was taken out of the game.").

I also think she could have written the Ghost of Christmas Future's post, despite the typos which don't seem typical of anyone in the game honestly.

FAW's replies have been really different from those of past games, which to be honest I don't even know what to make of other than being uncharacteristically active. As for the idea of her being the Ghost, I highly doubt she'd make that post unless she was talking to someone she knew. Whiiich makes me either wanna dismiss it, or include a certain Serpe on my list as well...

Unrelated, but looking back on my accusations towards Majora, it came off as totally offensive if you're not so guilty. Really sorry for that. :X

I also think she could have written the Ghost of Christmas Future's post, despite the typos which don't seem typical of anyone in the game honestly.

It's possible that they're intentionally masking their typing style. Perhaps in their thread and in the day threads.

I'd like to talk more about me now, because I'm pretty good at that.

Obviously this discussion only has weight if you know I'm innocent, but I do know I'm innocent, and I might as well get my thoughts into the open. If Majora is right, and the mafia were referring to me, then it makes since for them to either push the town towards killing me or at least support the idea. White Thunder, Castrael, FAW, and Dooku were all for either "looking at me" or lynching me at the beginning of the round. I'm not superb at this game, but simple mafia strategy should be to try and avoid suspicion, and strating a lynch mob against an innocent person will generally draw suspicion.

So, based on my limited understanding of this dumb game, my first impression is that White Thunder is innocent. However, if Majora is right and the Ghost was referring to me, maybe he felt confident enough that the town would lynch me anyway to start pointing fingers. I'm really not sure, and he never says enough- whether he's town or otherwise- for me to ever get a read of him.

I don't think Castrael is mafia. I REALLY don't think she's the Ghost, even if she does make a lot of typing errors. The first time I was mafia I tried to not talk as much in the threads because I was terrified of giving myself away, and I would just assume that if it were her first game+first mafia she might not talk as much as she has been. Again, I could be totally wrong.

I'm in agreement with everything Frustro said about FAW. I don't know her well enough to make any judgment about her writing style, but her comments about Roxas struck me as a little weird in a way that I couldn't quite place. The timing of her post, after Cas and Thunder agreed I should be considered a suspect, would make sense for a mafia trying to support a lynch and avoid suspicion at the same time. I also don't like that her usual one post per round suggests that I'm mafia. : /

Dooku actually voted for me, and then immediately rescinded it. That could be him being gunshy, like "maybe I shouldn't have started the votes against this dude," because I really don't think what I said afterward would be enough to immediately convince someone I was innocent, but that doesn't seem like him in anyway. Maybe he was just trying to get some reaction out of me. I do remember when he and Redack shared a thread in that one game that he was incredibly helpful toward the town, and all he's done this game really is joke around. idk, maybe that game was the exception and he usually jokes around. I feel like he's probably innocent based on the fact that he took back his vote, but I do think he's the second most suspicious of those four.

So, yeah. If I had absolutely had to lynch, at this point in the round, I'd lynch FAW, but I'm nearly 100% confident that if Majora's suspicions are correct that one of these four is mafia. It just would make too much sense. Hopefully this wasn't too long and helpful in some way to someone.

I'm a suspicious guy and you should probably vote for me.

Also end-of-the-semester homework, finals this upcoming week, and work are kinda keeping me from participating too actively in this game... Apologies. I typically try not to be one of 'those people' who sign up and then reply a handful of times throughout the game.

That and, well as I said earlier we kinda got screwed over by Helius's suicide and Xhin's host kill.

My current interest is ensuring the mafia don't get a 'perfect game'.

Hopefully my gut won't let me down like last round, but I'm going to put in a vote for FAW.

Also, I'm suspicious of CtR Black as well. He seems to be intentionally overdoing it with the typos. Even the last game I played with him he didn't make anywhere near as much typos as he is this game, and I don't recall ever seeing him us "4" or "u" for "for" and "you."

Could be I posted a message of his and he's trying to hide it?

I'm leaving it up to you guys which way we go to lynch. I don't really have a good read on this game at all it seems.

Yay Badgers! Pasadena-bound for the third straight year!

I'm really not sure why it is I'm having so much trouble staying engaged in the game...

"In the interest of fairness" if you had just came out in your post above and said MM9 is lying about what he say's was said by the Ghost of Christmas Future in his last post, and MM9 made up everything after "EXCUSE YOU... yeah, your right" and wrote it himself we would not be having this discussion about spelling.

So My little toy makers ask your self why your Rudolf had to lie in his post when he has no more clue then you do as to who is who.
Could it be, to get you to think how important he is to the game by being able to give you info, even if he has to make it up, and get old Santa to protect him?

Let's look at the names he's thrown out Castrael, FAW, CtR Black,. Are you next?

And in regards to this part of MM9's statement above. We don't need to be in a hurry to take him out because there is no way he can get "real useful" out of the Humbug thread.

"real useful"

*"real useful info"

I assure you I wasn't lying about my message. Everything I posted came directly from my role's thread, straight from the host.

I'd have no reason to post false results at all. If The Bandit was mafia, making a fake result that would "confirm" him innocent would be absolute game suicide. Seeing as I was suspicious of The Bandit going into the Day Round, I'd have no motive for lying about that.

However, by claiming that my post was a lie, you indirectly proved that the information is true. If The Bandit was a humbug, you'd be more than happy that I posted that message and claimed he was innocent. Instead, you tried to make us think it was fake. Additionally, you've confirmed to the town that I'm Rudolph. This means there are two confirmed innocents in the game (The Bandit and myself), which does give you a reason to want us killed.

Bottom line. Either you made up what was in that post or Feral put it there.

With Feral and or Yeano's permission I will copy and past the entire last post made by Ghost of Christmas Future, removing their real name so everyone can see what was said. And since no editing can be done by players in the Mafia game, then this needs to be checked out by Yeano if your claim is true.


But what reason would Feral have to change the post and then change it back.

Keep in mind every member of the humbugs also see the real post.

But it was you that said Bandit and you were in that false report.

Ok, fine, I did add my own spin to the post. Here's the actual message from the Ghost of Christmas Future:



However, I think the town should be able to see from your reaction to the message I posted, that I am Rudolph and that The Bandit is innocent. So, thank you.

No what the town should see and if they are smart they will see, is that you lied to make yourself look important and and in the process was willing to throw other players, regardless of their roles, under the bus.

If I was those players, I would be after you big time, including The Bandit for dragging him into your hoax.

Who did I throw under the bus? I helped bring suspicion off of The Bandit. That's like the opposite of throwing someone under the bus. That's like giving them a Doctor protect for a lynching.

You said I threw Castrael's name around, but I only mentioned her once early on, and took it back shortly after. I think it's likely she's innocent. I wasn't aware CtR was stuck using a phone for his replies, and his typos were the only thing I was suspicious of. Right now the only person who I'm openly suspicious of is FAW. You make it seem like I'm trying to get half of the town lynched.

I knew I was taking a risk when adding that part to the Ghost's message, but after The Bandit's replies to this day round, I had a good feeling he was innocent and wanted to play off of that. Since I knew I was innocent, and had a good feeling about The Bandit, I didn't want either of us to get lynched and figured that'd be a good way to do it. Worst case, I'd get a disgruntled mafia member to try to claim I was lying, and the only reason that would happen would be if I was right in my assumption about The Bandit.

You're to good of a player for me to believe that. You had to know it would be me that would call you out since I have nothing to loose. And you had to know that I would tell the Humbugs what I was doing.

Since people have mentioned who they are and whatnot, I'd like to mention that I'm innocent. I don't think Feral would ever give me a role (a humbug, if you will) that would kill me immediately. I should never be that suspicious because I do talk a lot and I do make some grammar errors by mistake. I'm just trying to understand the game play and help out by talking. :P

Now that that's out of the way, I'd like to point out some things as well. I'd like to vote for FAW. Because. In the last reply of hers, she made me believe that Bandit and MM9 we're not innocent. I also would like to point out: she never really offered suggestions. I mean there's not much to say and if my gut feeling is right on this, I'm going to go ahead and support MM9 and the Bandit by voting for FAW.

I figured you'd either stay silent or call me out. Although I was banking on you staying silent. I think that admitting that the mafia had been discussing my lie (and possibly wanted me hostkilled for lying) says a lot more about the truth of the lie's content than anything else.

I was actually out with my best friend last night and she took my phone away from me, so I couldn't really post anything. and before the time I hung out, I really just wanted to stay away from the game for awhile until I get my thoughts sorted out.

Also, when you mentioned that you were Rudolph and that the Bandit kept saying that he was innocent, he supported his cause like I was supporting. I was doing the WTF face for a while when you guys thoughts I was bad. That's why I figured I should tell you guys who I am now before anything happens. Knowing that the Mafia might go after me now like they have been doing for a while now, is quite a risk for me.

(sorry if there's any confusion in what I just said ><

I also had work too. for four hours.

I'm not really certain of Majora's motives for lying, but it seems to have worked out. If this was some really weird and elaborate mafia ploy, and Majora wasn't Rudolph, the real Rudolph certainly would have come forward by now. So, even with him lying, it's pretty clear that he's innocent. And his logic:

If The Bandit was a humbug, you'd be more than happy that I posted that message and claimed he was innocent. Instead, you tried to make us think it was fake. Additionally, you've confirmed to the town that I'm Rudolph. This means there are two confirmed innocents in the game (The Bandit and myself), which does give you a reason to want us killed.

makes total sense. I have no idea if this was Majora's plan all along (I have no idea wtf his plan was), but it worked. Unless something really, really weird is going on (like Rudolph aiding the mafia for no reason), then we have two confirmed innocents.

I could be reading too much into this, but the timing of Chief's claim- after a few have voiced their suspicions, and Majora has voted for FAW- is enough to convince me that FAW is the right vote. It just seems like a last, desperate attempt. I honestly don't even know what Chief is trying to accomplish.

... well i guess that takes a little suspicion off of cas. However, i still haven't seen what i need to to change my vote.

Something (very) minor that made me a little less suspicious of Castrael was how she specifically avoided saying "gift(s)" at the start of the round. Jo Nathan ended up saying it later on in the round and he's not silenced, which means that it's definitely not the silence word, but she still went out of her way to avoid saying it. If she was a humbug, she'd know that "gift(s)" wasn't the silence word, so would she really avoid saying it? Like I said though, this is just something small I noticed to add on to speculation about whether or not she's town-sided or not.

1. That MM9 was lying to try and get everyone to believe his role claim and what a great job he is doing, in hope that Santa will always give him the Healing stuff.

2. I felt that was unfair to the humbugs as well as the townies.
No one else in the game get's the Healing elixir now. So he can post more false info.

3. As for his claim to be Rudolf, that does not bother us. In fact it helps us.

Well, with those items Santa may give us, they may not be of use to us. :/ We should try to lynch someone tonight. They've been lynching townies x.x

So, i guess this is your first game (I think). but if you get the spectacles from santa it is useful. Even if you look someone up and only find that they are innocent, this should be reported because gives that person a role and narrows down the list of possible humbugs.

It doesn't seem to have, considering the reaction I've seen.

My role isn't very useful from this point on, because I'm fully expecting the humbugs to cover up their most recent posts with either gibberish or misinformation. The benefit to the claim is not the "importance" of the role, but the fact that I'm a confirmed town-sided role, and so is The Bandit now.

The hardest part of Santa's role would be figuring out who to protect/give x-ray specs to. If Santa gives something to a humbug, they'll be able to use it against the town. Now Santa has a minimum of two reliably innocent people to choose from at night, and we'll probably be the most likely humbug targets.

I don't see how that helps the humbugs honestly.

We don't have to waste a vote on you at night.

:I ... You have Tiny Tim's disapproval. Think about that. How you make Tiny Tim sad. But judging by chiefsonny's response to your "spin", I'll put Bandit on the backburner. And there's really no doubt at this point that Majora's Rudolph since no one else has spoken up.

For the time being, I'll cast my vote for FAW, simply because her replies this Game have been so odd compared to her usual ones.

:( B-but I... I did it... For us...

God this is tough.... I have to vote for Cas. She keeps throwing names around and to me that strikes me as something a Mafia would do to keep the heat off of him or herself. I wouldn't put it past a host to assign a new player as Mafia because the role assignments are random.

Have a holly jolly Xmas

You gotta be kidding me.....