So the Serial Killer visited the Granny, and that's how he was killed...? I'm not exactly sure how the Granny role works.

Will post more later on in the game, depending on a) if/when the Journalist gets another report, and/or b) my attention is drawn away from Smash long enough to concentrate on this.

*later on in the round

Awesome, we got the serial killer out of the way. ^_^ but sucks we lost the last Special Club Member (which I STILL don't know what they where suppose to do, not that it matters anymore now :/ )

Will the Admirer be continuing on in the same thread as the original Serial Killer? If so, it might be time for a Granny reveal (since there would be more town-helpful roles that might get themselves killed than evil ones). Haven't put much thought into whether that's actually a wise idea, but wanted to throw it out there for the sake of argument.

Hey SDYoshi, what were you doing at lightvaynes house last night?

o_O Well, I'm still alive, so that either means he is a:
Doctor
Guard
Apprentice/Tracker Fill
Journalist
or
Mafia Investigator

4 of those roles are town sided and one only being Mafia related. There is a 80% chance he probably town sided then. (hoping he is anyways)

But why would the doctor or guard visit you? I'm the apprentice tracker so that leaves a 50/50 chance of him being mafia. I hope I'm not wrong but lady flare was suspicious of him last round so I followed him. i really hope I'm right. Yoshi, if you're the journalist please say so in the paper or something.

I know this is probably a death sentence for me but if I recall it would be okay if we lost the tracker so I'm taking one for the team.

Is that an Apprentice -> Tracker claim I see, Ghowlio? If you're the Tracker, it's really down to Lightvayne being the Doctor, Journalist or Investigator.

I'm assuming there hasn't been any other interesting tracks from your previous checks?

Oh yeah, dunno why that slipped my mind... what else have you found out (both positive and negative data could help).

Just that castrael didn't visit anyone which is why I stopped suspecting her at the beginning of last round.

Yes, it's an apprentice tracker claim.

Hi cool story @ me being the next to go, Roxas ;).

I don't really think we have any reason to distrust Ghowilo at the moment and would like to hear from SDY before placing a vote.

Also, hezekiah, I disagree--I think the granny should absolutey keep their identity to themselves from this point on--no exceptions. Assuming Ghowilo is the Tracker, then we shouldn't have to worry about the Doctor protecting the granny. The only risk is Ghowilo's Tracker action (again, if he's the Tracker.) It's up to him whether or not he wants to use it further, but I'd argue he's on borrowed time anyway with a Tracker claim.

The mafia still have a Silencer, a Mafia Investigator, and a night kill. I'd say the odds of them being able to use their actions any further without hitting the Granny are much lower than Ghowilo's chances of dying to the Granny.

Just want to get my thoughts on the matter out there because I really think it would be a bad play to have our granny revealed--they're pretty much our one "SURPRISE" weapon left, aside from the Guard.

imo Granny should remain a secret. The Investigator and first mafia voter are at risk, while the town really only has to worry about the now-public Apprentice Tracker (who, assuming Ghowilo's claim is true, is already a target) and to a lesser extent the Journalist (who is third party and can help, but has less reason to later in the game). The Doctor can already protect themself, the Guard, and presumably now the Apprentice Tracker without picking an unidentified player and risking a Granny visit.

according to that tracking report, I'd lean toward SDYoshi being the Investigator. As I said, there isn't much reason for him to make that visit as Doctor imo...and it strikes me as an unlikely choice for a Journalist to make when there were two claimed town roles ripe for the killing last night - the mafia may have opted for Bandit to try and avoid possible Journalist detection and Doctor protection on the more valuable (and confirmed) Guard role.

also I have an outlandish thought but I'll hold onto that for now. Maybe after I get my morning paper.

-.- that's not true. I suppose y'all will find out soon enough so if you think it's worth it to get the truth then the guard should go ahead and kill me. If y'all look back on my past days you'll know I'm telling the truth, since the first tracker died in round 1 I've only had my powers the past two nights those nights I visited castrael and when I saw she didn't go anywhere I assumed she wasn't mafia... Until she asked "why is he so sure I'm not mafia and not just faking it" remember I said I didn't have any solid evidence but no reason to suspect either.

But anyways I know I'm going to die but don't waste your lynch on me.

Also I'd say that whoever the "real apprentice tracker" should come forward, unless you're scared to expose yourself as mafia when I'm off.

Offed*

Also, I'd like to deduce that Yoshi is not the journalist, he would have to know this is going to put a target on his head, also I've noticed he hasn't said anything here but has been online to post. This leaves the mafia investigator as the only other choice because why else would he have visited lightvayne. I don't think the doctor or guard, since we know who the guard is that just leaves the doctor and investigator.

I don't think the doctor or guard had any reason to visit lightvayne*

Well he's been 2 for 2 so far...

~Ghowilo

~Helius via the Journalist

~Ghowilo

Haha, yeah, I don't know who you are but you just got served, journalist style *high fives sdy1*

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second:



Why did the Journalist not say anything about Ghowilo on Day 1 if he investigated Ghowilo? Keep in mind that the Journalist is not aligned with the town or the mafia. They are only in it to win points. Look back at Day 2, the Journalist was clearly being deceptive for points. He suggested CtR Black was mafia yet he would have had no evidence to come to that conclusion, as CtR Black was the Marksman (doesn't have a night action at all.)

I just find it extremely odd that the Journalist would claim to have new information from many days back.

I also find it odd that hezekiah didn't notice that, yet claimed the Journalist was 2 for 2.

Also, anyone could sign their name as SDYoshi. In fact it seems much more plausible since Ghowilo gave such a suggestion to the Journalist. Until SDYoshi comes out and truthfully says what his role is (emphasis on truthfully,) I think it would be unwise to vote.

Yours truly,
SDYoshi

Also I'm going to be out for a while so just want to emphasize that I'm not saying the Journalist is definitely lying and Ghowilo is the tracker. I want to bring up the possibility just because I do find it suspicious and Ghowilo's responses seem genuine enough to warrant further investigation.

I'm afraid if y'all lynch me it'll call us to lose the game. Therefore...

If the lynch votes start stacking against me and I won't be surprised if they do, i implore the guard to kill me, we can't afford the wasted lynch not this late in the game.

So if the Guard does kill you, then what?



This does NOT seem like a good idea, if SDYoshi is telling the truth. We already know that Ghowilo's not the Tracker, we don't need to expose the real one to a cheap mafia (or SK) kill tonight.

Majora: thanks for chiming in. Like I said before, it wasn't a fully fleshed-out idea, just a thought that popped into my head.




I'm not sure what your argument is here... is it about how SDYoshi waited until now to mention his Night 0 data? Seems like there was a better shot than usual of the target being town than mafia that night, so makes sense to me. Or was it claiming that he's not 2 for 2 so far? Cuz CtR Black and Roxas both turned out to be mafia...

If the guard kills me you keep your lynch, it's not wasted and you have a higher chance of hitting mafia, especially since i can deduce these people are not mafia.

1. Lightvayne
2. Majoras mask
3. Kyon
4. Lady flare (maybe)

I'm not sure about hezekiah, but these are the folks i think are mafia.

SDYoshi, evilguy, and pirate ninja

Back home hi. So I've been thinking things over and these are my final thoughts on the matter:



Both reasons honestly, but primarily the "two for two" thing. Yes, the Journalist was right about CtR Black being mafia, but he was the Marksman. The Marksman is not associated with the mafia and does not have a night action, therefor it would have been logically impossible for the Journalist to know CtR Black was mafia. Basically, his article had intentions of misleading the town, and he god lucky.

The Journalist being correct about Roxas definitely makes things more plausible, but consider this:

On Day 3, the Journalist revealed that Roxas visited someone, but they had no idea what role Roxas was. They revealed the information.

On Day 1, the Journalist did not report anything. Why? They've shown in Day 3 that they are more than willing to report any movement they see REGARDLESS of knowing the role (they even said Roxas could be town/mafia) and they've shown they can be deceptive (Day 2.)

As one final note (this isn't hard evidence or anything, but it's why I lean toward trusting Ghowilo,) if SDYoshi is the Journalist, or if SDYoshi has any role with a night action, then Ghowilo was correct about SDYoshi being able to move at night. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to guess, but it's unlikely that a member of the mafia would claim to be a tracker without being threatened, claim someone moved at night (ambiguously, not making a claim as to whether or not they killed someone or not,) and be correct about their guess. My current understanding of what happened is something along the lines of this:

SDYoshi is the Journalist
Ghowilo is the Tracker

Ghowilo tracked SDYoshi and saw him move somewhere.
SDYoshi wrote an article claiming Ghowilo is not the tracker, to get him killed.

Maybe SDYoshi did it out of spite, or maybe the Journalist isn't SDYoshi. The entire situation seems really weird when you look the order of events. But I do believe Ghowilo is the Tracker and I don't think our Journalist has done much of anything to show that they're someone to trust.

So many typos please ignore

And here's a semi-tl;dr version (IT'S STILL A LITTLE LONG I'M SORRY):

Journalist is untrustworthy -- Was deceptive on Day 2 with the CtR Black article (the Journalist couldn't have known CtR was mafia,) and they claim to have information from Day 1 that they never reported, despite the fact that they've shown they will normally report information when they get it (so why wait until just now to reveal "information" about Ghowilo?)

SDYoshi is likely the Journalist, but that could still be a lie. He hasn't responded yet in person.

Regardless of the Journalist, Ghowilo is likely the Tracker. He claimed Tracker without provocation and made a claim that SDYoshi left his house (among other results.) If SDYoshi is the Journalist (or any role with a night action,) then it makes it more likely Ghowilo is legitimate because he was correct about SDYoshi having a night action.

Also it should be noted that Roxas voted for Ghowilo last round, prior to him being "caught" by the Journalist.

The journalist claim is sketchy at best. I'm not sure why anyone believes it.

Ghowlio has no reason to lie about being the tracker. In fact, it would be stupid regardless if he is mafia or townie. The only reason I could seem him lying for is that he is the granny trying to lure the mafia into either killing or checking him.

The journalist however, has every reason to lie. I also don't understand why SDYoshi is around to write a journal, yet he doesn't have the time to pop in and confirm his claim. If the journalist wanted to mask himself as another player, it would make since to do so as the most inactive player of the game.

Uh....well that suddenly because 200% more confusing o_O

Retracting my vote until we can get this all sorted out then

Of course, there is always the possibility that SDY is Mafia masquerading as the Journalist in this case -- I've seen the Mafia pull similar shenanigans before, and I've been in the Mafia when we've pulled similar shenanigans before. Or, more likely, the Journalist could be masquerading as SDY in order to hide their true identity. One has to remember, after all, that the Journalist does not work for either Town or Mafia, nor Serial Killers, Admirers, or whomever else have you; they're just their own role doing their own thing regardless of who gets lynched/killed.

All of that said, SDY is now very high on my suspicions list, given the Journalist's actions this round.

I will add more later when I'm on my computer.

My suggestion would be for Kyon to kill SDYoshi. If he is the Journalist, then the Tow isn't really losing a Town role. If he is Mafia then good riddance. And if by some crazy chance he is Town sided, he hasn't contributed anything anyway.

This may help us determine if Ghowilo is telling the truth.

Lol I completely skipped over the fact that Kyon was confirmed to be the Guard.

hesitant to believe that the Journalist saw someone on Night 0 and didn't say anything until now (and a pretty coincidental report at that). The only real goal of the role is to get people killed with your articles - regardless of their affiliation - so the Day 1 news report we got wasn't going to do its writer any good. Naming a person who was caught moving that night could expose the Tracker, but that's only a problem for the Journalist if they roleclaim to avoid a lynch and deny the article point. The Journalist would have no real reason not to throw out the name they spotted - let the town decide whether to kill the person or not. An article naming someone on Day 1 would have a chance of scoring the Journalist a point, but the article we got had no accusations in it. Even if it gets the Tracker or Doctor killed, the Journalist can just go "oh hey sorry town, never said they were mafia, just that they had an action."

I still lean toward SDY being mafia rather than Journalist, and agree that having the Guard settle that question might be helpful. If he is mafia, then it'd appear the Journalist might be interested in making a little peace offering to the mafia that'd double as an extra article point - +1 for a Ghowilo kill today, followed by an article tomorrow that says "haha jk I'm not SDYoshi and he's totally mafia you should kill him go town go" to go after another.

Wish I'd realized this last round, Cas might still be alive.

And there goes the only shield I could have gotten, now it's 100% I'm going to die :/

Okay, so that explains CtR moving on Night 1.

As far as I can tell, everybody's focusing on Ghowilo's claim that he saw SDYoshi visit Lightvayne last night. Meanwhile, SDYoshi (or someone else claiming to be SDYoshi, as Pirate_Ninja brought up) is saying that Ghowilo was out of the house on Night 0 and therefore can't be the Apprentice. Personally I'm more inclined to believe the Journalist's report, since there's no way for a non-Journalist to write a Journalist article.




Huh? I didn't think the mafia could have the host pass messages to the town...

So you believe the journalist...because a non journalist can't write a report? The role of the journalist is built around lying to rack up points. As I already said, Ghwolio has no reason to lie, the journalist does.

Ironicly, Kyon might have killed himself with killing the Doctor this round.

Yeah idk where that Guard kill came from at all...

@Helius: Does the Marksman move at night too? I don't really understand why the mafia all move at night; in previous games it's only been the killing role that moved and any players with explicit night actions. The only reason I could see the mafia moving at night is if it was counted that them "meeting" as a group each night counted as leaving their house, but the Marksman is an individual that doesn't meet with anyone.

I don't particularly trust SDYoshi. He hasn't posted yet, despite a Journalist article claiming to be him, and if he were silenced, he wouldn't have been able to write a Journalist article in the first place (not able to access his thread.) Even if he is the Journalist, I'd almost rather we kill him because he hasn't been very helpful. But something about this entire situation just seems really dumb to me and I'm going with my gut.

Roxas was the silencer.

I've already explained why I disagree with this.


Hey Kyon. You're a confirmed innocent. Any thoughts on the game?

My bad the player list threw me off.

Then I find it even more odd that SDYoshi hasn't posted yet.

His inactivity is the most telling aspect. If Yoshi willingly posted that article and wanted to be believed as the journalist, he would have confirmed it with a post in this thread. It doesn't add up.

Kyon why...

4 hours left.

Gah, once again activity hits the scene when I'm not around.

Kyon, why the hell would you go after Flare? No one suspected her of anything and now we don't have a doctor >_<

As for SDY1, It seems like a bad idea to go after a journalist that has been helping us this whole time but at the same time, in order for the town to win, I think we have to remove the journalist anyways (not sure if they win with the town or if they are their own separate terms) so....

She was p quiet and usually with games like this, where I don't think there's much to draw from, I like to suspect the players that nobody is paying attention too.

that being said...............................................