The Mafia are just playing with us now.

As much as I hate to do them, the way this game is going I think it's time for a Role Reveal. The most that can happen is we can put this game behind us and start a new one.

I mean look:

We lost our Gov. have no report from the Cop and the Fisherman seems to either be inactive or unlucky.

I role claimed last Day Round.

...can someone update the announcement at the top of the page? Still says Night 4...

Anyway, this is the round where we have to be really careful.

The only way we could not be dead here is if the Mafia accidentally hit their Traitor somewhere along the way (we started with a 5-person edge and 6 people have died, meaning that only 4 of the dead players could have been Town-sided). The only reason the Mafia would have for not just voting together and winning this round would be if the Fisherman was still alive or if they had multiple inactive members. Our ratio is 7-6, but they could simply use the Ballot Forger's extra vote to force through a lynch (canceling out one of our votes and adding one of theirs).

I was annoyed that I missed the end of the last night round, but it wound up not mattering as I found both Yoshi and Lightvayne suspicious, but I probably would have voted Lightvayne. He just seemed panicky when the original votes went his way, which makes zero sense to me now that he's revealed as the Governor of all roles (I'm assuming he was simply not around in time to save himself? Unfortunate).

The Cop is almost certainly dead, or they're playing this game really poorly. There's no reason to wait this long for a report (given that they could have every single Guilty verdict and we would still likely lose to a Mafia bandwagon), so I wouldn't believe anyone who roleclaimed Cop. It's very, very likely we're left with just a bunch of Townies and maybe the Fisherman.

With that, I think the game is basically in the Mafia's hands already. I'm still going to cast a vote this day round, but it will probably be a futile one unless we're very lucky. Black Yoshi is certainly the most obvious subject, but I'm going to hold my vote just in case someone else becomes more obvious/the Mafia decide to just go for the win.

This is what I was gonna say. ^
Like any report right now would be a good one but there's.... nothing in sight.

Also, I'm a basic Townie (which is why I haven't really been ass deep in the game).

I'm definitely gonna cast a vote today but I just... I just don't know who :(

There was a 2-2 tie close to the end of the last day round. Someone broke that tie and caused a lynch of our Governor.

That's who I'm voting for.

Aww I'm really disappointed I didn't get back in time to post before Day 4 ended. I was going to suggest if we voted off anyone it should be Black Yoshi as he stood out more to me. Well he still does stand out to me but we shouldn't vote right away.

Well I'm not sure how much of a difference role claiming is going to make but if we assume we lost all power roles as well as the fool I suppose it could work. I'm at least convinced we lost the cop.

I want to say something but considering everything I'm not sure if I should say it just yet. Or at all. I should be back later after contemplating this situation.

Reached a decision yet?

I worked a 12 hour shift on Friday night from 7 PM to 7 AM, and then slept for 8 hours and worked again from 3 to 11 PM. Today, I spent with my family since work is ugh.

I'll read through the last couple of day posts and see what I can see.

So from Day 1 we have these:

– MM9

– Lady Flare

– Roxas

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I know we debated whether or not MM9 was the Fool and why the Godfather couldn't possibly claim Fool. But I think it's a plausible case.

I know we tend to believe those who claim early, but what if we were wrong? And now I go into my conspiracy theory stuff that I'm usually wrong about.

Hindy, Speed, and MM9. Of those three, two are dead. One claimed Fool and the others were acting like one (Speed & Hindy). We know Hindy is dead but we don't know his role. Speed has stopped acting like a Fool.

So this makes me think of two scenarios.

1. MM9 wasn't telling the truth about being the fool, and when Hindy died the actual Fool died. Speed stops acting like Hindy.

2. MM9 was telling the truth. Hindy was just a townie. Speed was mafia coat-tailing on the possibility that the Fool was alive.

I mean in my mind, if you role-claim Fool then no one is going to vote for you because they'll be afraid of the game ending. And since the Janitor is in play, the Mafia is the only ones who know what role MM9 was and what role Hindy was. Why continue acting like a Fool? (maybe I missed something... ).

I had stated that in previous rounds, I thought Speed was acting out of the normal. Something wasn't quite right.

- Speed

– Speed

– Speed

- Speed (Day 4)

Added that was the only thing Speed said on Day 4, it really puts him in an interesting light. I guess Speed could be the Fool, Mafia, or a Townie. Which is why I'll probably end up voting for him. The town is pretty well screwed if we mess up.

If Speed is Fool, he wins.
If Speed is Mafia, we are less screwed.
If Speed is Townie, we are more screwed.

^^^ That all can be said about any one of us.

I'm suspicious of Black Yoshi, but I really think that Speed is our best bet.

Please don't hurt me...

Chief, what would you have preferred I done? Had I not voted at all, the best thing that would've happened is a No Kill, which wasn't even a guarantee. Depending on what had happened with the Ballot Forger, there might have been a non-tie anyway that resulted in a death. Plus, I notice that Lady Flare did the same thing as me 24 hours earlier...

As for today, I hadn't really considered Speed as a target until the post Helius made. I was planning to vote for BY and hopefully correct yesterday's mistake. Reading what Helius had posted is making me think Speed might be the better option today... don't know why he'd play this way as a townie, so it seems like a worthwhile gamble given the circumstances.

I'm not following your logic Helius. If there is some possibility in your mind that Speed is the Fool (beyond not knowing if Majora was telling the truth or not) then he should be the last person we would want to lynch.

@Lady Flare

- Me

&

- Me

I'm taking a stab in the dark since I really don't know who is guilty and who isn't guilty.

I guess at this point... if Speed is the Fool, we'll stick it to the Mafia and end the game on our terms. The town can't survive much longer without a miracle. Do you have one of those?

Cause I don't.

Or this is a Mafia ploy to inspire doubt in the Town and get us to lynch one of our own.

I'm not 100% right on my guesses by a long shot. But Helius and Hez (who is endorsing his idea) are both on my list of suspicious . Speed is more on my Town list. And Black Yoshi is on my suspicious list and a good target this Round and neither of them want to vote for him.

But Helius and Hez (who is endorsing his idea) are both on my list of suspicious . Speed is more on my Town list. And Black Yoshi is on my suspicious list and a good target this Round and neither of them want to vote for him.

You talk as if your suspicions hold any relevance on their own... you also claimed that you role claimed last round. But you didn't. So just what are you playing at here? For all we know, you are Mafia and you are trying to throw us off.

Re-read the rest of my suspicions. In the past, my suspicions have been at least partically correct. Granted I was wrong about Lightvayne. But that just means my suspicions on others have risen. But I'm focusing on Black Yoshi this Round.

People are just now deciding to act on Speed's odd behavior? Well I know we don't really have much to lose at this point but I really think Black Yoshi might be the better choice to vote off of.

Lady Flare is town-sided, yo.

ugh

ugh

I just got back from vacation and will add my two cents tomorrow because this game is stressful right now and I need a detox from stress

Come to think of it, I have been seeing some odd behavior out of Herr Speed this game, though to me it seems more like an I'm-too-busy-to-contribute-like-I-usually-do behavior than an I'm-Mafia-and-playing-under-the-radar-to-avoid-detection behavior. I know I said we have to be careful in this round, especially with the Executioner still in play, but it's reasonable to believe that at lease one of those killed and hidden was the Traitor or Fool, else the game would be over by now.

Assuming that at least one of the Traitor and Fool are gone, if not both, leaves us safe for at least one more round provided we don't mislynch and we don't let the Executioner do his dirty work.

Known Ratio 9-6-1

Let's assume (very likely true things):

1. Majora was the Fool
2. The Mafia did not kill one of their own MAIN group (excluding the Traitor)

PN, Jo Nathan, Hindenburg were the other 3 Night targets

If they were all town-sided, that means the ratio would be

6-6

Right? Which would mean the game would be over right now.

But it's not.

So the Mafia must have killed their Traitor, and the TRUE current ratio would be:

7-5

I mean as previously said these rest on assumptions, but the assumptions are probably true. Also, even if Majora WEREN'T the Fool, it's almost certain that one of the night targets WAS the Fool because if all FOUR of the ???s were Townies, the town would obviously have lost right now

5-6-1

If THREE of the ???s were Town and ONE of them was the Traitor

6-5-1

And I find this unlikely because with the Ballot Forger AND Executioner in play, they could have easily won by this point in the day round. They wouldn't even have to worry about the Fool then because they could easily use the execution power and have ended the game by now.

We've already been playing mostly as though the Fool is dead, and I think it's meaningless to continue speculation that the Fool is alive because if they were, the Mafia could EASILY win at this point or would have already won (as I basically said differently worded in the paragraph above)

And the Traitor has to be dead at this point based on the simple fact that the game is still going.

At least, that's what I got from it but feel free to correct me if I've made an error. I have things to say about specific INDIVIDUALS in a bit but I still have some game-studying to do

oh never mind white lancer literally said exactly what I just did maybe I should actually read the thread I'M SORRY WHITE LANCER

Yeah, it's pretty safe to assume at this point that the Fool and Traitor are dead, else we'd have already lost. That said, Speed's behavior has been off since the beginning; mayhap he's just busy IRL, or mayhap he's Mafia. I'm leaning more towards the latter option at this point...I hope this doesn't come back to bite us in the ass, but I feel this is our best bet.

Idk why people keep saying I'm acting strangely in all these games, I've been acting literally the exact same. Just because I don't write books anymore doesn't mean I'm a mafia piggy.

So, this Round began at 6pm Saturday, meaning it's going to end today at 6pm. Are we going to let potential Mafia lynch Speed or are we going to do something about it? Also note that Speed only needs 1 more vote for an Executioner kill. So if you are Town sided be very careful. So far Helius, hez, and Black Yoshi (all of whom are on my Mafia suspicion list) have voted and the Executioner needs a Town vote to carry out his work.

To the somewhat inactive players, we need you.

Well I was actually waiting for Apollo to post before going forward with anything but her theory was already kind of pointed out it seems. =(

Part of this seems like people are just looking for an excuse to vote Speed off. He literally has been acting the same way the entire game and I've even pointed out that he's been acting weird in the first two days. Yet most of everyone bypassed it. (Well except Choas) Now people are suddenly acting out on it with bigger suspects like Black Yoshi?

Well at this point I really don't care anymore. I think Black Yoshi is the mafia member but there's always a possibility I could be wrong. I just hope I'm not wrong about this.

Yep, I've just gotta cast a vote here. Speed's been acting a little weird IMO (usually he's a bit more helpful), but I lean slightly towards thinking Yoshi's guilty because it's felt like he's been bandwagoning against the innocent players we've lynched. EvilGuy made it tougher by voting this way as well, as I also found him suspicious, but clearly my suspicions haven't been spot on this game (sorry, Lightvayne), so I'm just going to pull the trigger and hope to give us a chance to win the game.

Bleh... Just for the record, I just happen to have no idea on either of them. At this point it's between Speed Bike Pro, and Black Yoshi. So regardless I either have to remain passive, or I have to vote for one of them. Because I don't see the balance of votes shifting.

Speed Biko Pro has stood out more to me this game though, reasons for this have already been stated, it's also been blatantly clear. I'm not sure how he normally plays, but I would rather take a shot in the dark based on slight suspicion than do nothing at all.

Not interested in voting for Speed because he's been completely detached this game and has been the same in like, any recent game he's played in. If anything he's been comically uninvolved this game, and plus he's told me in the past when he's Mafia he feels like he has to scrutinize every little detail of his posts and that, uh, doesn't really seem to be the case. I mean I can see why people would be put off by his behavior since he has contributed next to nothing, but I'd be willing to bet money that he's innocent maybe because I like to think I can read him better than I can read others. So basically if someone puts that fourth vote on him, there's a good chance that a grave error is being made that will lead to his execution and probably the loss of the game (death)

Black Yoshi I'm much less sure on. I think that I might "think" he's guilty based on what other people have said about him more than what HE HIMSELF has said/done this game, which is the more important part that I keep unintentionally overlooking.



But that's just the thing... I looked back and he hasn't bandwagoned at all (arguably not until this very round) judging by The Bandit's and Lightvayne's lynch. He was the second person to vote for The Bandit after EvilGuy (bandwagoning is not the easiest to measure I guess depending on the number of players alive, but this was day 3 when a lot of people were still alive) which I wouldn't consider bandwagoning, and was the first to vote for Lightvayne. He's contributed to the death of several players but IDK, look back at other games BY has played and compare his behavior because he is playing much more like his Town self than his Mafia self from my observation, and I suggest others take a peek as well to verify this. Of course I guess the Mafia could be like "NO DON'T SAY ANYTHING" or "SAY THIS NOT THAT" or something to him, but IDK it seems like he's been playing pretty independently (once again, arguably aside from this round).

It's probably for naught at this point but FAW has been high on my radar from Day 3 and I'm not letting that go.



- FAW, Day 3 after I pointed out her inactivity



- FAW, Day 4 in reference to The Bandit's death



- FAW, Day 4



- FAW, Day 5 (aka now lol)

I mean her comments have basically amount to "Lady Flare looks suspicious" and "idk what to do". I mean the whole point in Mafia is to take initiative and to do stuff and take risks so to me it just screams an uninvolved/inactive Mafia member who pops in every few days to be like "whaddup idk what to do lol bye".

Ratio is almost definitely 5-7 right now, and I already have a pretty good idea of some who I think are innocent and with that being said, even REGARDLESS of what she's said, there is a GOOD CHANCE she's Mafia. A 41.67% chance, actually.

Very Likely Guilty and Must Die
FAW

Suspicious, Makes me Feel Uncomfortable, Wakes me Up in a Cold Sweat in the Middle of the Night But Am Too Afraid to Do Anything About it Because I Don't Want to Die
Black Yoshi

?????
Helius
hezekiah
white lancer
chiefsonny
Count Dooku (honestly I think he's innocent but he's BARELY spoken to I find it unfair to give him the credit of innocence because of that. The reason I think he's innocent is because IIRC he doesn't really go inactive as Mafia like this but very often does when he's town-sided [or when he was the Survivor]. So I think he's innocent but I must ???? his butt atm)

Probably Innocent (from least probably innocent to most possibly innocent)
Chaos Incarnate
EvilGuy
Speed Bike Pro
Lady Flare

So Innocent It Hurts (no I mean it literally hurts because we might all die soon)
Apollo Justice

kill FAW (she is still my wifey tho and I love her)

(from least probably innocent to most possibly innocent)

*from least probably innocent to most probably innocent

gr8 thx m8 (I was typing this up periodically at work so I missed this and this is kind of a big deal :/)

It's actually possible the Ballot Forger changed one of the four Speed voter's votes, but that's definitely not something to rely on. Still a glimmer of hope I guess. Or maybe FAW/someone not active before the end of the round will miss this and not put in the vote for an Execution (the Executioner THEMSELF has to put in the vote for the Execution for it to go through, correct @ Roxas??)

Also the white lancer ???? was kinda a joke because it's Day 5 and he's still alive... ok..... I think he's pretty innocent........... ish...

Blegh. I don't know.

Alright Town, we need to get our ducks in a row and consolidate our votes. I'd say one of Black Yoshi, FAW, or hez. We need to choose.



And that's not how I read the role, Apollo. It doesn't say the Executioner has to vote for that person just 1/3 (in this case 4) votes have to be coasted for one person at any time and ONE of those votes has to come fom a NON Mafia player.

It's just a gut feeling but I don't think Speed is Mafia.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear ;~; I meant the Executioner has to say IN the Mafia thread that they want to Execute x person when they reach the vote required number of votes.

Say CtR Black is the Executioner, and Frustro and Bubba are the other 2 Mafia members. CtR Black goes inactive, and White Thunder has enough votes to be executed. Frustro and Bubba say they want to Execute White Thunder, but CtR Black never reports in to confirm it. Will the Execution go through or not?

The reason I ask is because I THINK I remember a past game where something like a Mafia Investigation went through despite the MI never actually confirming the investigation themselves. Like, it was delegated as a role to the "whole" Mafia. I don't think that's SUPPOSED to be the case but I just want to be clear <_>

Oh, I understand now. I would say the Executioner should have to explicitly ay he wants to Execute someone. It's his job. Otherwise what's the point of having the role.

@Executioner/Mafia Investigator: This is up to the active host as to whether or not other members of the mafia can act for them. In a previous game I hosted, I did allow the mafia to use the power of a specific power role on their team, so I figured I'd weigh in.

Typically the person that is assigned the role should be the one taking actions, and the other mafia members shouldn't be able to use the power. The only time I feel it's reasonable to make an exception to this is when the person with the role is inactive to a point where it's clearly hindering the mafia as a team (but is still active enough to not be host-killed.) But like I said, that's totally up to the active hosts' discretion B).

just gonna go with ma gut

We now have two players (Black Yoshi and Speed) with the 4 vote threshold for the Executioner's power, which is a weird spot to be in. I suppose we could technically still survive if the ratio is 7-5 (as I expect is the case) and both are innocent, but only if we suddenly switched from both and voted out a Mafia member. That seems unlikely given how little time we have left. I think our best shot is to pick one or the other and make absolutely sure they get voted off (so no Ballot Forger shenanigans result in a tie--there's probably not much we can do about a last-minute Mafia vote push at this point). To that end, I suppose I'm willing to switch my vote to Speed if that's the consensus, though I lean towards him being innocent and would rather vote off Black Yoshi.

I guess there's also a chance that all four of the voters who voted for Speed are Mafia (meaning the Executioner wouldn't be able to act), but that seems an unlikely risk for the Mafia to take when they're so close to winning already.

Thanks for the partial clarification.

Well, that could potentially be an issue then given the situation depending on Roxas' call... but whatever for now. Regardless, if Speed winds up being Executed and we DON'T take out a Mafia during this day round as well (by lynching), it'll be:

6-5 with Speed's death

And unless the Fisherman has some neat ol' trick up their sleeve... the ratio will be 5-5 by morning.

So we HAVE to off someone aside from Speed (who is already doomed if the Executor has stepped in and if the Ballot Forget didn't change one of Speed's voters' votes) if we want a reliable chance of coming back.

FAW is the best bet for our success in my mind for some of the reasons I've already explained. I had a gut feeling about her from the beginning and it's only grown from there, and based on her very under-the-radar play with posting basically JUST enough to not be host killed. I also felt like her post about Flare (which I didn't expand on very much) was kind of a cheap shot going off of other people's suspicions of Flare. The Bandit expressed that he was suspicious of Flare first:



Then EvilGuy:



Then FAW much later in the aforementioned quote in my above post.

As I said, it just kind of seemed like a cheap shot/bandwagon on top of that + a little more expansion on it. In addition, Flare claimed Townie (I mean not that a claim is to be taken for truth) but I DO believe she's town-sided as my handy-dandy guilty radar showed.

I guess all I'm saying is from the very little she has posted it struck a nerve with me after having a gut feeling about her anyways... so I think she should die

oh hi faw

I didn't even realize that BY had also gotten 4 votes. That nearly everything but guarantees that one of the two will be executed.

So we're almost definitely at 6-5 at the end of this round unlesswe lynch someone else.

I mean, my suspicions of Yoshi aren't incredibly strong, so I could maybe switch my vote to FAW. The problem is that we have about an hour left (and I have 10 minutes left in my lunch break), so we're very unlikely to get a lynch on FAW off. I think at this point it's better to try to ensure a lynch and take out either Yoshi or Speed (my preference being Yoshi).

Apollo, I will support your lynch of FAW next Round (provided I survive and there is a next Round) if you vote for Yoshi this Round.

Alright, I can agree to that if you're sure enough. I think I'm doing a good job convincing my inner self that he's a baddie enough to fight the inner inner self that is wary about him being guilty. Let's get 'em and get 'em good.

black means death and death means die

At least this way, even with the Ballot Forger switching votes, we can't have a tie.

Good point. In addition to that, any votes piled on Black Yoshi or Speed Bike Pro (probably the former since he has 5 votes) at this point I daresay would probably be unnecessarily bandwagoning to "look" innocent if the accused turns out to be guilty. It'd just be pretty suspicious since Black Yoshi in particular already has enough for a lynch even with the Ballot Forger in play.

*crosses fingers and toes*

BLACK YOSHI DIES NOW

get off my lawn you dang kids