Mafia

Welp, that's pretty awesome.

I think it's pretty clear who the entire mafia is at this point, but I'd like to hear from White Thunder and Majora before publishing my list.

Told you they ain't got the hangers to come after me.

White Thunder's results will most likely put the finishing touches on my list since he used his X-Ray specs last night, but right now I'm currently thinking, in order of most likely guilty to least likely:

1)FAW
2)Serpe
3)Trever

+chiefsonny who's confirmed Scrooge.

I didn't get any Rudolph results last night because of the role block, but I doubt it would have revealed much.

I'm still keeping an open mind though. There's a lot of things I'm uncertain of, but I really want to believe this list is accurate. Right now, IMO, voting for FAW would be the safest option this round. I'm pretty sure she's the Ghost of Christmas Future. My main reason for thinking that goes back to the Ghost's Mafia Thread reply that I got as a Rudolph result. It just sounds like something she would have written, and I'm not sure if anyone else that's alive would have written something like that (Maybe Trever or Serpe?).

But I agree with waiting for White Thunder before we do anything.

WOW, The Bandit's going to have an orginial thought. Let's all gather down at the square by the tree and wait to hear what it is.

Hey, Bandit did you know you voted for Jo twice on one round?(hehe)

Fuck you.

OH my goodness. If you're Santa I hope you don't use that nasty foul langue in front of the children down at the square.(horror)

Actually... I'm Santa!

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Hmm...

I'd still like to hear what White Thunder has to say, but I'm pretty sure FAW is mafia, so I'll vote for her this round.

I'm pretty much positive that The Bandit and Count Dooku are innocent. Chiefsonny is obviously guilty but we can't do anything about that. That leaves us with 5 other people, 3 of which are guilty.

hezekiah
Trever Leingod
White Thunder
Female Alpha Wolf
Serpe

White Thunder seems to be innocent but I'm not going to jump to conclusions just yet. This is the main reason I want to vote for FAW regardless of White Thunder's x-ray results; I'm more convinced that FAW is mafia than I'm convince White Thunder is innocent and will give us legitimate results.

hezekiah might be innocent, but also, he might not be. He hasn't done much this game, but from what he has done, I'm more inclined to think he is. Same deal with Trever, but both of them being guilty/innocent doesn't seem very likely IMO. Serpe hasn't said too much either but based on our assumptions of who's innocent, I think it's more likely that he's guilty.

FAW sounds like the Ghost of Christmas Future (IMO), started off on Jo Nathan's side last round, has always expressed interest in voting for players who were later found out to be innocent, was the last person to vote for Helius, and I just get the vibe that something's up with her based on her replies (as did Frustro, who knows her a lot better than I do).

I don't remember if I brought this up last round or not, but I also found it odd that Jo Nathan would vote to kill Castrael at the end of Day 3 instead of FAW. Both FAW and Castrael had 3 votes when Jo and chief gave votes to Castrael. I think if both FAW and Castrael were innocent, Jo seems like the kind of guy that would choose to kill FAW instead of Castrael because of it being Castrael's first game. Not to mention that it might be considered a good strategic move for two reasons:

1)FAW has more mafia experience than Castrael
2)Frustro, The Bandit, and myself already voted for FAW, and all three of us had been some of the most "talkative" that round. If FAW is innocent, I imagine Jo Nathan would have more than likely voted with us to get on our good side. Had he done that, I doubt he would have gotten the backlash he initially received in Day 4.

yep yep yep to everything

hezekiah voted for Jo Nathan right after I did and never changed his vote, so I'm pretty certain he's innocent.

Wish I wasn't being so much of a follower this game, but for whatever reason I haven't been able to devote as much time / energy to it as I'd've liked to...

Hrm... sudden coordinated vote against FAW... interesting.

Going with FAW because I trust Castrael's instincts on her. She is suspicious to me even beyond that.

I also still want to know WHY people keep pointing at me as suspicious or whatnot. You guys are like "Trever is suspicious" but you don't give any real reason for it. Come on, you guys have to start keeping tabs on me. You should know by now I'm playing as I do when I'm townie, because I am one. I've been in every game since Game 7 after all and I've only been Mafia once since.

^ Process of elimination, the fact that you haven't posted *too* much, there was also something about your voting I found suspicious but I can't think of it off the top of my head. Also in that last game you were mafia and this game you went out of your way to tell people how they always find you suspicious with no evidence, moreso than in games you were a townie.

Those are the reasons I find you suspicious, but I'm not saying you're guilty or innocent.

Even if you assume FAW and Serpe are mafia, that means one other person is mafia. The Bandit, Count Dooku, hezekiah, White Thunder, and you have all done something that makes me want to think you're innocent (and unless someone wants to counterclaim rudolph, I'm still innocent). That makes it a lot more difficult to figure out who's guilty, as you have to start assuming someone you think could be innocent is actually mafia.

One reason to not think Trever is mafia is because of FAW mentioning him and Count Dooku as possible mafia when it seemed like we could be lynching someone other than Jo Nathan. If FAW and Trever are mafia, it wouldn't exactly follow her pattern of only listing innocent people as suspicious. Especially in a round where the mafia only need 1 mislynch to win.

One reason to not think hezekiah is mafia is because of his votes for mafia members relatively early in the rounds (assuming FAW is mafia).

I honestly don't remember why we thought White Thunder was innocent originally, but I do kind of have a reason to trust him that I won't go into now.

But if all three of them were innocent then we'd have to start looking at everyone else, and I really don't think The Bandit or Dooku are guilty. If The Bandit was guilty, I don't think something that happened last round would have turned out the way it did (sorry for being vague again). Since Jo Nathan and FAW both mentioned lynching Dooku in place of Jo, I also believe he's innocent.

White Thunder should really reveal his xray results when he gets the chance. Not sure what's taken him so long :(.

Okay, fairly decent reasoning. I can respect that.

I honestly don't remember why we thought White Thunder was innocent originally

I don't either {:P} probably just the sheer fact that I had an x-ray... but then so did JN. But anyway last night I was gonna think it over and come back today and use my specs but I didn't get back in time and missed the window. I'll use them tonight, in the meantime I think FAW is probably a good vote. We have plenty of time though so when I'm not busy I'll go through the past rounds and review.

I've also been thinking about how the new Santa could be used to the town's advantage. We're at the end of the game, and a mislynch means we'll lose. Originally I was thinking that it would be best for them not to roleclaim, but the more I think about it the more useful it seems it could be if they did.

If Santa were to roleclaim, and if he's not already one of the confirmed innocent players, then that's one player we can say is confirmed innocent (unless there's a counterclaim, at which point it might be a bit more difficult, but it shouldn't be too bad).

I doubt the mafia would kill the new Santa for a few reasons, so it's not like claiming would hurt them. If anything, it would help them stay alive.

Seems like the only way we'd get any new (possibly helpful) information out of this round.

OK, I confess.

I'm (Santa)

I'm a Whoville double agent.

{duck}

Why would the mafia not kill santa?

Because I told MM9 and the rest of my crew not to.

It would not look good to the people in town and may just cost me in the next election for Mayor.

Honestly I'd rather not go into that because it might give the mafia ideas :)/:(.

But if Santa isn't a confirmed innocent player, then it'd be in the town's best interest if they roleclaimed.

Also, I think FAW, Serpe, and White Thunder are the humbugs.

MY OFFICIAL PREDICTION!!

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I vote for MM9 to receive the Golden F5 key award

Actually I'm using the refresh button next to the address bar^