Mafia

Exquisite. One less person I incorrectly thought was Mafia to worry about. (no)

We still have some breathing room, and I wonder if we should use it on the quieter players. We do not want to be at a mis-lynch and lose situation and only have players left who've barely given us any evidence to go by.

Here's a list of the remaining players that might be a bit easier to read. Of these people, who do you think are most likely to be Mafia? I'd be curious to hear an answer from everyone, complete with explanations.

Hindenburg

Kyon

Jo Nathan

Pirate_Ninja

Black Yoshi

Trever Leingod

igga

chiefsonny

Zanic

#85

Bubba

hezekiah


I'll pick my three and give explanations when I'm not at work.

As of right now, here are the top 3 on my list.

Kyon
Pirate_Ninja
Hindenburg
igga

I know that's four. But Hindenburg and igga came up tied on their voting record.

Black Yoshi
Kyon
Bubba

I have nothing against Black Yoshi personally of course. But I noticed a strange pattern the third day when he was wondering why we were trying to lynch Apollo and then near the end of the day he was adamant that she was mafia after half of us had already voted. When looking for mafia, you've got to look for the people that do vote the mafia out. They're usually near halfway out of the people voting.

I'm still at work, but I guess I can slack off just a bit.

Kyon - he was on LLight's list, and I am hesitant to believe it adequate justification that he could be one of the remaining power roles. Neither the Governor nor Lazarus would have had anything to do during Night 0.

Hindenburg - as previously mentioned by someone, even though he usually doesn't post much to begin with, he's been posting very significantly less than usual.

Meh, I'm not sure I can really decide on a third suspect. Zanic raises a good point regarding Black Yoshi. I did have a suspicion of him in earlier rounds for a specific reason (a suggestion he had made for the cop) but I'm not so confident in using that as rock solid evidence.

Chief, you're on the backburner. I'm hesitant to keep pursuing you for fear of doing a repeat of something I promised another player never to mention again... {:P}

As soon as it was obvious that weid man was going to die, Castrael basically comes out and admits to being mafia, and the only explanation is that she was trying to keep their assassin alive for another night round. This was an incredibily stupid move, since it basically guarantees both players in the equation wil die back-to-back with the original player in the crosshairs dying first.

This tells me that Castrael doubted her teammates and saw their only hope lied with the assassin. Conclusion, Castrael was either playing with very innactive players (Hindenburg, Kyon, etc), or not very experienced players. (Going by player scores, Kyon, Hindenburg, Pirate_Ninja). Then there is the possibility that a more experienced player is trying to hide behind the noobies/inactives.

It's a secret.

KILL

I agree with both Bubba and 85. As much as I worry about Black Yoshi, I think Kyon should be our next move.

Chief, you're breaking my heart :( But I'm all for lynching Kyon.

The only reason I changed my mind in Day 3 at all was because of Yeano's verdict. I still wasn't entirely about to trust him just yet, but a guilty verdict is better than anything to go on. It would have resulted in at least one of them being confirmed Mafia, anyway.

That said, Kyon has been a bit too quiet this game, hasn't he?

Just re-read Castrael's replies in the round we lynched Weid man. These are all quotes from Castrael BERFORE everyone started voting weid man and she revealed herself.









Voting for mafia members probably isn't unheard of, but Castrael was pushing for Kyon from the beginning of that round. I also think it should be noted how Castrael refers to herself voting for Kyon as (paraphrasing) "agreeing with the stats". LLight at that point was three for three on his list. If the fourth person on the list wasn't mafia, then the mafia really could haved used LLight to their advantage. Her mentioning LLight and Kyon in the same breath could be seen as propaganda of sorts.

Just some food for thought. I really think my previous post about inactive players has some merit, but I think it should be one other than Kyon for now. Hindenburg? Trev? Igga?

I do see where you're coming from Bubba. Trever has been awfully quiet this game and makes me question him.

We've also got to assume that the mafia has at least one inactive player considering the night rounds take the full 24 hours.

And to add on to my last post, the fact that kyon already has 4 votes scares me. {:P}



Didn't even think about that. Great point.

Zanic is correct. Let's purge the inactive first since one is likely Mafia. Then Chief Yoshi or Jo Nathan are on my radar, as there almost has to be a Mafia member voting their own out

mm, sorry, sorry...the sale of my late grandparents' house is closing in a few days so I've been busy with that.

Eyeing the silent doesn't seem like a bad idea, because if too many vocal innocents go we'll be left to fire off shots in the dark. But first, words!


well, I could certainly see him asking how the Lazarus power worked since it's a new mechanic as far as I'm aware

I mean, I'm not trying to vouch for his innocence here - rather, it seems suspect that the mafia would let someone live if they were practically confirmed to have a town role - but I thought it worth a mention. Castrael's finger-pointing would be a risk if they were both mafia, but given that it seems people almost look for her to do something like that under pressure, I don't think it'd necessarily be a bad plan to have her gesture wildly toward an "innocent" person to take the heat off.


except haven't there been a few that didn't? It's not like the mafia can't take a little extra time to plan out their crookery sometimes.

...losing track of time over in the mafia thread, are you~?

except haven't there been a few that didn't? It's not like the mafia can't take a little extra time to plan out their crookery sometimes.

There have been a few that didn't, but everyone playing has posted at least once. I'm referring to last night taking the full 24 hours. Plus, if there are very few of them remaining, I doubt they would need 24 hours to sort things out.

It depends on the situation. If the remaining members are top suspects and at risk of being lynched, I could see them taking their sweet time discussing and planning. Apollo and I certainly did that in the previous game.

Did anyone notice that mess-up? xD Was this typo done in honor of the late Typo Lord's departure?

I think these three would have to top my list as suspects:

Hindenburg. The first game I played with him, the guy just posted and posted a ton. Perhaps as Mafia, he's preferring to fly under the radar.

Kyon. Sort of torn on my suspicions, and I hate pointing people out and lynching them for being inactive and hoping they are Mafia (how long has it been actually since Hindy and Kyon posted?). We were aiming for him at some point, and now we are again, and Castrael kept redirecting attention at him to thwart attention at her and weid. Was this because she was trying to redirect attention at an innocent who couldn't defend himself, or because she knew he was inactive Mafia? Thus by his death, she'd look less suspicious and the Mafia would be no worse having lost an inactive member rather than an active one.

Bubba. There's something shifty about he is psycho-analyzing Castrael's behavior the last two days of her life. (shifty) And pointing me out for "inactivity" as well. I haven't been super active, true, but I do make posts everyday, and frankly when I do post a lot in a game, I'm a townie that dies on Night 1 anyway.

Seeing as this thread is slowing down, going to go ahead and cast my vote for Hindenburg.

I do think the mafia is made up of inactive players right now, but as I outlined in my previous reply, I think Castrael gave us more than enough evidence to make me not want to lynch Kyon. At least for now.



So it's shifty to analyze a confirmed mafia member's replies....? Isn't that the point of the game?

I don't exactly see the point in analyzing someone who is already dead. It is possible she pointed out Kyon for reasons I already said:



Thus this does not necessarily mean that Kyon is innocent.

Like I said, I am torn on what to do myself. I am not keen on lynching people for being inactive, but they do seem to be the most suspicious right now... and if they have been inactive for at least 3 days now, I think it would be more appropriate to request they be host-killed. It's impossible to get insight on people that barely post and the point of being in the game is to PLAY the game.

I would cast my vote for Kyon as of now but I am trying to hold it off so this round rides out the full amount of time, giving the suspects fair time to defend themselves and more time for the Mafia to slip up.

I would like to request a hostkill of Hindenburg.

From what I can tell, the last time Hindenburg posted was the very first post in Day 4:



If one wants to nitpick, one could say it hasn't technically been three full rounds of inactivity, but the fact is, he has been inactive for 99% of Round 4, 100% of Round 5, 100% of Round 6, and (as of this writing) 67% of Round 7. In terms of absolute time, his inactivity has been longer than three full rounds, and for all we know his three-word post might be nothing more than an attempt to prevent a hostkill.

Fair enough.

I'm not sure I agree with this action. Here's my thoughts.

1.If Hindenburg is a townie and we continue with a vote for Kyon and he turns out to be a townie, then we lose 2 townies which puts us at 7 and after the night round we will be down to 6.

2.If he's Mafia and Kyon turns out to be Mafia then they are down to 1. Games over.

Now I want to win this game just as much as anyone else and the possibility of taking out to Mafia in one day sounds great, but do we want to win it this way.

If we want Hindenburg out of the game, then lets vote him out and go after Kyon next.

Thoughts, Comment?

If we vote off Hindy and then vote off Kyon and they both turn out to be townies, we'll have wasted two day rounds and the Mafia will get two night kills and we'll be down to 5.

So I guess each scenario has pros and cons, but I would embrace the opportunity to eliminate two inactive players in a single round if it helps us eliminate distractions and pin down the remaining Mafia in the next round.



I have no qualms about it. If one gets host-killed for not playing the game, and he turns out to be Mafia, it's not the town's fault.

You make some goods as well.

My question. If White Thunder does the Host kill, will he tell us what role Hindy had and not do a Janitor thing, because that would really screw us. The town not knowing the real numbers will not know how close they are to a tie if it gets to that point.

some good points as well

Damn not editing thing {fp}

I'm down with this.

Well, Kyon is on my list of suspected Mafia. I just hope with this possible double kill and after the next night we don't end up down 3 townies.

I hope not either. (shocked)

I guess if that happens, the silver lining will be that the Mafia won't have those inactive players to hide behind in the end, making it that much more difficult for them to escape.

Whelp, round ends in around 35 minutes by my clock, or one more vote for Kyon, whichever happens first.