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Posted June 13, 2012 by Trever Leingod

Night 1 begins! Roster up for the next Day Round reference. It will be updated if anything happens. Get your Night Actions in ASAP!

Roster of 18:

Xhin
chiefsonny
DragonintheShadow
Redack
hezekiah
Shadowwalked
Feral
Black Yoshi
White Thunder
`Roxas`
white lancer
CtR Black
MajorasMask9
#85
Zanic
The Bandit
Davik
Teddy-Son

Starting Empire-Rebel Ratio: 14-4

Empire (Townie) Roles: Storm Trooper (4), Imperial Outcast, The Emperor, Darth Vader, Imperial Executioner, Imperial Engineer, Imperial Assassin, Dark Apprentice, Double Voter, Medical Droid.

Rebel (Mafia) Roles: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Rebel Arsonist.

Third Party Roles: Boba Fett, Force Ghost

Night Actions:

1. Dark Apprentice check
2. Imperial Engineer selection
3. Imperial Assassin selection
4. Han Solo check
5. Rebel Arsonist selection
6. Medical Droid selection
7. Luke Skywalker actions
8. R2D2 actions

For the Day Round:

A minimum of 24 hours and 10 same votes must pass before the Day Round ends. 72 hours is the absolute maximum. 6 votes count as 1/3 of the total 18.

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Night 1 passed with some serious actions. Xhin was tragically shot to death in his chambers. The autopsy revealed he was just an old fashioned storm trooper. Chiefsonny’s chambers burned down, but the Force was with him during the night and he woke in time to escape the fire unharmed. (Apparently people are keeping up with their “kill the admins!” fetish)

Roster:

Xhin – Storm trooper. Shot to death in the night
chiefsonny
DragonintheShadow
Redack
hezekiah
Shadowwalked
Feral
Black Yoshi
White Thunder
`Roxas`
white lancer
CtR Black
MajorasMask9
#85
Zanic
The Bandit
Davik
Teddy-Son

Starting Empire-Rebel Ratio: 14-4

Empire (Townie) Roles: Storm Trooper (4 – 1 = 3), Imperial Outcast, The Emperor, Darth Vader, Imperial Executioner, Imperial Engineer, Imperial Assassin, Dark Apprentice, Double Voter, Medical Droid.

Rebel (Mafia) Roles: Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Rebel Arsonist.

Third Party Roles: Boba Fett, Force Ghost

Night Actions:

1. Dark Apprentice check
2. Imperial Engineer selection
3. Imperial Assassin selection
4. Han Solo check
5. Rebel Arsonist selection
6. Medical Droid selection
7. Luke Skywalker actions
8. R2D2 actions

For the Day Round:

A minimum of 24 hours and 9 same votes must pass before the Day Round ends. 72 hours is the absolute maximum. 6 votes count as 1/3 of the total 18.

Day 2 dawns. Will a rebel be found today on the Death Star? Or will they escape the grasps of the Empire for a little while longer?

June 15, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Also, a note to the players:

Just for the heck of doing it, Helius wants to join the Dead Thread to converse with the people in the graveyard. Before doing this, I want the permission of those here as to avoid any scandal or concerns. Thoughts, people?

June 15, 2012
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Trever Leingod

NO.

Nothing against him personally, but he declined to play this time, and when we were having trouble getting enough people to play he still did not change his mind and sign up to help get the number of players up, so I don't think he should now be given any special treatment.

June 15, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I am with Chief on this one. Helius should not be able to to go into the graveyard. He can't cheat if he is not playing. But no one else would be able to do so so he can't either.

If you are not in the game you can't enter the threads. Yeano would not allow that to slide.

June 15, 2012
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Teddy-Son

No. Just, no. He can watch this thread if he wants to keep up.

Voting for Roxas. Just a gut feeling.

June 15, 2012
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The Bandit

Chief makes a good point, if Helius wanted to be part of the game he should've just played.

June 15, 2012
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Redack

Well honestly I wouldn't have any problem with Helius being able to see the dead thread. It seemed like he wanted to play but couldn't, and it isn't like it would hurt anyone.

Sorry I wasn't here during the last day round! Was busy and didn't get on until Night 1. I don't have information to add, and I don't have any speculation based on what I read last round, so I'm just going to not vote for right now.

THOUGH I WILL SAY that I don't like the idea of these converting roles. Makes people too careless. Not going to say it was #85's intention, but I have no idea why he would reveal he was the double-voted so early one unless he wanted to be converted. We don't need suicidal people on our side!

June 15, 2012
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MajorasMask9

As I said before, I think 85 did it because he was being accused by Hezekiah (other possibility is he entirely lied).

That said, 85 was a bit weird last round and Hezekiah does have a good track record for finding mafia players but being ignored.

June 15, 2012
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Redack

Exactly. Revealing your role with conversion roles around is like telling a cop straight to his face that you're a murderer -- it's just suicide.

Anyway, the last time someone in this game went on "just a gut feeling," it lost us a townie...err, Jedi Knight. And the person who went on their gut feeling was part of the Sith and trying to lose us a Knight. That raises a few suspicions in my book...

June 15, 2012
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Black Yoshi

Xhin that's what you get for having a surprize hack drill at midnight.

June 15, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Just going to place a random vote and will change later if something comes up during this round.

June 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

The double voter is useless that's why I came forward.

June 15, 2012
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#85

Back from the beach :D there are a few people acting a little suspicious but no votes for now. We'll see what plays out.

June 15, 2012
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White Thunder

I wanna know why the night round stretched to 30+hours from the customary 24.

I'm with Thunder right now, have a few thoughts but nothing I want to vocalize right now. Just remember that there is an Executioner-type role, so don't throw your votes around willy-nilly.

June 15, 2012
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hezekiah

Well, we can safly asume someone was converted. I think whether or not it was #85 or Redack depends on what role Han uncovered for the Rebels. If they uncovered a reg Stormtrooper, they would convert the DV just to rid us of the extra vote. If they uncovered a more important role, they would obviously import that one.

The other posibility is that Xhin was the one Han uncovered, and they elected to just kill him and take a chance on #85 instead, hoping to get the extra vote on their side.

Either way, I think it's more likely #85 was converted then Red.

June 15, 2012
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Feral

yeah i think we should lynch 85 since theres a strong possibility he was converted

June 15, 2012
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CtR Black

My guess is Rebels : CtR Black, Redack and Feral

It's clear they are trying to set me up to get a town lynch for them.

I wasn't converted. They might not even think I am actually the DV.

June 15, 2012
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#85

I'll say this much: I am a Empire role with a night action. Allowing me to die would be a huge mistake.

June 15, 2012
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Feral

I wanna know why the night round stretched to 30+hours from the customary 24.

Maybe Trever wasn't available to start this round at the appropriate time?

June 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

Maybe Trever wasn't available to start this round at the appropriate time?

That. I was out at an amusement park with my cousins and siblings.

June 15, 2012
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Trever Leingod

it lost us a townie...err, Jedi Knight. And the person who went on their gut feeling was part of the Sith and trying to lose us a Knight. That raises a few suspicions in my book...

Just to let everyone know, this time around Storm Troopers are the town, and the Jedi are the Mafia.

June 15, 2012
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Teddy-Son

@85

I have actually been defending, not trying to set you up.

Also it's more likely in Night 1 they converted whoever they investigated in Night 0 because they know 100% that it'll work. Last night they likely investigated either me or 85, unless they had a bigger target they wanted to grab. Personally if I was them I'd leave the outcast in play to skew cop results, but I guess we'll see in Night 2.

Anyway, I've really no idea who to vote for at the moment.

June 15, 2012
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Redack

Speaking from "faked" experience, I doubt the cop would check somebody claiming to be the outsider. They'd get a Guilty verdict either way.

June 15, 2012
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Feral

We don't know what will happen further down the road. The cop may get a reason to investigate me and of course I'd show as guilty.

It's all theorising of course and I was just saying what I would do in their position.

June 15, 2012
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Redack

enough useful info yet, so I'm gonna vote for Yoshi simply because he still hasn't told me what kind of dinosaur Yoshi is.

was kind of hoping Xhin would be The Emperor so I could post my favorite Star Wars spoof...Aw, hell. I'll do it anyway.

June 15, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

didn't go through. Probably 'cause of the video.

{:/}

June 15, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Since the Rebel Arsonist is mafia and they know who all the mafia are I guess this guy did me a favor by burning my hooch. They have no control over the card flip and I doubt they would have taken a chance on one of their own.

It proved I'm not one of them (which I already new) so now my goal is to find out who he is and try and return the favor.

And if it rains before I can get the bamboo roof back on I'm really going to be pissed.

Since the vote talley thing is still screwed up does anyone know the current vote count?

Not sure on my vote yet. Will be back to cast a vote after I finish fixing the roof. Damn Fire Bug.

June 15, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

It makes more sense for them to want to take a gamble for a bigger role, instead of just converting the DV.

I dont know who I am voting for, but It's probably going to be someone.

June 15, 2012
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#85

For those playing and watching at home, here are how the votes for this round are distributed:

`Roxas`: 1 (The Bandit)
The Bandit: 1 (Black Yoshi)
hezekiah: 1 (`Roxas`)
#85: 1 (CtR Black)
Redack: 1 (#85)
Black Yoshi: 1 (DragonintheShadow)

Total: 6

June 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

No Kill: 2 (#85)
`Roxas`: 1 (The Bandit)
The Bandit: 1 (Black Yoshi)
hezekiah: 1 (`Roxas`)
#85: 1 (CtR Black)
Black Yoshi: 1 (DragonintheShadow)

Total: 7


Updated, plus #85's second vote.

June 15, 2012
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`Roxas`

When is someone gonna change the tallies from yesterday?

June 16, 2012
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Teddy-Son

It makes more sense for them to want to take a gamble for a bigger role, instead of just converting the DV.

I don't know, DV seems like a pretty valuable role for me. Two votes! Wow. IF they do convert you, an we suspect you, it's just bad for them anyway. So, yes, I don't think you're guilty yet.

It's clear they are trying to set me up to get a town lynch for them

I don't agree with you here, though. We saw plenty of times last game where innocent people latched onto an idea just because it sort of made sense. Them voting for you doesn't mean they're guilty.

June 16, 2012
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The Bandit

I personally find #85 a likely rebel.

But since there isn't enough evidence from what I gather I will random vote for now.

June 16, 2012
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Davik

Just so I have a vote, I'll change if anything comes up.

June 16, 2012
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Redack

Teddy-Son won't be on for the next few days we might as well vote him off. No offense Teddy, but we need active players.

June 16, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

He'll only be missing this round, though. That doesn't seem fair to him at all.

June 16, 2012
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`Roxas`

Yeah, that seems like a fishy post by Dragon...

June 16, 2012
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hezekiah

We are now about 18 hours into this day round and the counter not's working and by my check everyone but Zanic has made some kind of post although not everyone has voted, myself included.
Zanic may be silenced.

Also the cop has had to night's to investigate and so far nothing.

By my count we are now down to 12. I would not count the 2 3rd party players as being on our side yet.

We kept (town) doing this No Kill last game and we lost the game.

However this ability for the Mafia to convert did not help either. Imo worst thing Trever did. It screwed up the game and gave a big edge to the mafia.

Imo, if we go with this No Vote again this round, (and I understand we have nothing to go on), then it will put us down to 11 or maybe even 10, and it should be the last time we do it.

By the way as for the cop and with this conversion thing, maybe he should wait and give us a report next day round, at least he would have 3 to report.

If the day does not end b4 I can change this vote I will be back to see if I want to make a change.

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

However this ability for the Mafia to convert did not help either. Imo worst thing Trever did. It screwed up the game and gave a big edge to the mafia.

Sorta true, but from the host's eye view and seeing the game as a whole, the town really screwed itself over and the Mafia was clearly just outplaying the town in almost every way. If I ever host special games again, I will be sure to eliminate the exploits and make conversions much more risky, having discovered them by these first plays.

June 16, 2012
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Trever Leingod

I agree, last game the issue was because Yoda wasn't defending anyone (found it a bit weird we didn't get a role like that this game), we got lucky on the medical droid so he was taking out of play early.

Loss of medical droid + yoda not defending anyone left the cops open for us to take out (though they were trying to defect anyway). We then had the cop misleading people for a short while and by the time we'd made a slip up it was far too late for the town to pull it back.

I think if there was ever any of these star wars specials again there'd need to be some alterations to it but it's not as bas as some people seem to think.

June 16, 2012
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Redack

We are now about 18 hours into this day round and the counter not's working and by my check everyone but Zanic has made some kind of post although not everyone has voted, myself included.

The counts are all over the board anyway. Unless there are 9 votes on the same selection soon, this could go the max of 72 hours.

By the way, are the voting counters screwed up? Both times I've hosted they've been almost useless, because they accumulate vote from both other games and previous days.

June 16, 2012
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Trever Leingod

Yeah, starting to think no kill might be the best option after the mistakes we made last game. Still have some suspicions but the cop definitely needs to become more active, although if there isn't anyone to protect against conversion a reveal would be detrimental... very tricky, this game is.

June 16, 2012
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White Thunder

I agree, last game the issue was because Yoda wasn't defending anyone (found it a bit weird we didn't get a role like that this game), we got lucky on the medical droid so he was taking out of play early.

I couldn't find an Imperial role that was fit to be a doctor and someone powerful enough to ward off Luke. If there's another special I'll make something up though. Though to compensate a bit, I made it that Luke can be found by the cop role.

But yeah, Redack about summed up why the last game totally went to the Sith. They had a great combo of luck and skill, and the Jedi didn't have much luck at all. They also gave into some logical fallacies, such as hezekiah being a Sith because he was too quiet (he was just busy IRL) - and it was the Sith that were being the most vocal during that game.

June 16, 2012
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Trever Leingod

By the way, are the voting counters screwed up? Both times I've hosted they've been almost useless, because they accumulate vote from both other games and previous days.

Maybe ask Xhin to look at it. You might be doing something wrong, or Xhin might need to do something to fix it.

June 16, 2012
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Redack

someone powerful enough to ward off Luke

Vader... Emperor...

June 16, 2012
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Redack

I've gotta wonder if Feral or I will be targeted tonight...

June 16, 2012
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hezekiah

someone powerful enough to ward off Luke

Jabba the Hutt?

@Trever Leingod. Don't get me wrong. I think you've done a good job with the games.

I just think that to make things fair to both side, the conversion power should have been given to both sides or the town should have a way to reverse the conversion.

And you're right. Last game The Town played a bad game and the Mafia played a great game.

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Yeah, that seems like a fishy post by Dragon...


nothing fishy about it at all.

He'll only be missing this round, though. That doesn't seem fair to him at all.


I thought he would be gone for a longer time period. Missing a single round doesn't bother me in the least.

June 16, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Imo, if we go with this No Vote again this round, (and I understand we have nothing to go on), then it will put us down to 11 or maybe even 10, and it should be the last time we do it.

I was a big believer in this last game, and I still am. Things are almost worse for us this round because they have an arsonist as well. Potentially three losses every night. We cannot just sit back and wait for someone to mess up.

June 16, 2012
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The Bandit

Jabba the Hutt?

Think about it. If anyone walked to close to that big fat glob of goo and got sucked in.

Talk about being neutralized.{roll}

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Just for the record I do not think that no-killing is a good strategy this round by any means. With a converting role, the rebels numbers will get larger and our numbers will get smaller. No-killing is giving the dark apprentice more time, yes, but it's also giving the rebels more time to take out key roles like the dark apprentice.

I'm going to go ahead and say that I think #85 and Redack are kind of suspicious. The only reason I'm not entirely suspicious is because of how based on past gtx0 mafia games, people don't seem to keen on counterclaiming when somebody falsely claims a role.

With more unique roles this game (only 3 vanilla townies), a mass roleclaim would be much more effective than in previous games. However, since there's a converting role, it might not be a good idea. If we manage to kill Luke though, I'd definitely say that a mass roleclaim would be the best idea to end the game.

Those are just my random thoughts for now! Not sure who I want to vote for yet.

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Agreeing with everything Majora said. Let's kill someone already.

June 16, 2012
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The Bandit

I was a big believer in this last game, and I still am. Things are almost worse for us this round because they have an arsonist as well. Potentially three losses every night. We cannot just sit back and wait for someone to mess up.

Where do you get three from??

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Where do you get three from??

One from Conversion. One from Arsonist. One from Kill.

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`Roxas`

Maybe ask Xhin to look at it. You might be doing something wrong, or Xhin might need to do something to fix it.

I did ask him last time, he said it needed to be reset and stuff. Hopefully he will be able to make it that the host can do it at some point.

Vader... Emperor...

Both were already given fitting, powerful roles. The Emperor and Vader are both immune to conversion, The Emperor is immune to day killings and Vader is immune to night killings (minus the arsonist). So I have to make another role or make one of those two even more powerful.

Jabba the Hutt?

LOL, no way. He's a giant slug that was killed by Leia with a chain {:P} Luke would take him down easy.

@Trever Leingod. Don't get me wrong. I think you've done a good job with the games.

Thank you kindly. ^_^

I just think that to make things fair to both side, the conversion power should have been given to both sides or the town should have a way to reverse the conversion.

Nah, you're right. Something needs to be done to make conversion more risky, or something. If I have these specials again, I am going to ask people to join me in a brainstorming session and revamp the rules until everyone agrees it's balanced well.

June 16, 2012
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Trever Leingod

One from Conversion. One from Arsonist. One from Kill.

Well, I was confused because I assumed the rebels couldn't actually kill. Nothing really states that they're able to kill as a group, so I assumed it was similar to the scenario from back when I was mob in that game with both mafia and a mob (ie we could kill people, but only through the use of power roles. In this case, the arsonist and Luke).

I'd like to get some clarification on that. I was under the assumption that the rebels could only kill via the arsonist and convert with Luke, meaning that Xhin's death was either by the Imperial Assassin or Boba Fett.

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Though maybe I'm just being confused by the wording in the documents. I keep rereading it and finding new stuff every time I look through it!

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I assumed that "arrest" meant "kill."

June 16, 2012
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`Roxas`

"meaning that Xhin's death was either by the Imperial Assassin or Boba Fett."

Yes.

But in SW Game 1 when Feral was shot but survived, in the narrative, Trever indicated the it had the looks of a Fett action. He did not do that this time, and I'm going to assume that if Trever is trying to stay consist, he would have mentioned this.

Therefore I'm going to assume that Xhin was killed by Imperial Assassin.

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

The Rebels still do Mafia kills. Arrest/kill is basically the same thing, they arrest someone then execute them. I wasn't aware in certain games the Mafia can't do night killings so I assumed it was just something the Mafia always did. So for the confusion. I obviously got confused myself.

Although restricting Mafia night kills for Rebels in future games might be a good way to cut back their potential ratio turnover.

June 16, 2012
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Trever Leingod

After reading through the threads a bit more, I'm going to vote for Davik. I've been throwing around a few theories in my head about the way the last night round turned out in conjunction with the day round, but usually I end up thinking it's not enough evidence. I still think it might not be enough evidence, but it's the most educated vote I could gather based on what I've seen.

The idea being that in the last round #85 voted for chiefsonny out of nowhere. He justified this as saying that in previous games the scummy players typically hide in no-kill votes. While I don't fully agree with that reasoning, it goes along with how #85 has played in the past. The fact that nobody counterclaimed double voter could mean nothing, but also, it could mean everything. I think the chances of getting caught falsley claiming this early on would not be something the rebels would be willing to take a risk on.

In the night round, chiefsonny was targeted by the arsonist. Nightkill targets aren't really evidence for everything, but it seemed to me like #85 was being set up for a lynch. The rebels could have easily targeted chiefsonny in an attempt to make #85 seem more suspicious.

Like I said, it's no conclusive evidence, but I'm willing to go with it over a no-kill.

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

The fact that nobody counterclaimed double voter could mean nothing, but also, it could mean everything. I think the chances of getting caught falsley claiming this early on would not be something the rebels would be willing to take a risk on.

To further elaborate on this point: In a game in which I was mafia with #85, where #85 was the thug--the most expendable mafia role in the game--he didn't even consider falsely claiming a role until Day 3 or 4. It just really doesn't seem like any of the rebels would want to do this early, let alone #85.

June 16, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Truth be told I am a mere life saving role, rather than a Mafia/Rebel.

Last night, I was going to save Xhin.

However, my gut kicked in and told me to save someone else.

I apologize for that poor decision.

I'm still new here, I hope i'm not hulling anyone down.

June 16, 2012
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Davik

I took an overall risk coming forward with the role, but I did so to give us a place to start. With conversions, this game has constant change. For all we know they may have already got a power role. We got the Medical Droid on our first check. Thats why I'm all for taking a gamble.

Chiefsonny seems to be playing a more cautious game, and I'm not fully convinced it's because of his "power role". Usually he is more willing to vote someone off, instead we see him taking a more passive strategy.

I am most suspicious of the people that called me out, Feral, Redack, Davik and CTR, since I feel I was being set up.

June 16, 2012
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#85

Ohhh lawd...new info...gonna see if there is a counter claim or not before casting my vote for someone.

June 16, 2012
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#85

We got the Medical Droid on our first check.

I am the medical droid, and I am thus far unconverted. If someone "counter claims" they are lying.

June 16, 2012
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Davik

Don't know if it was best to come forward with that.......the doctor can stop a conversion right? If so, he has to use it on Davik now.

June 16, 2012
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#85

Don't know if it was best to come forward with that......

Coming from one of two who accused, and voted to lynch me.

But yes, I agree.

June 16, 2012
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Davik

I agree that it was good to come forward with that information, Davik. We're making it too easy for the Rebels to take out our power roles early. Looks like we'll just have to tough this game out to the end.

June 16, 2012
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`Roxas`

Chiefsonny seems to be playing a more cautious game, and I'm not fully convinced it's because of his "power role"

@#85, could you please tell me what my power role is so I will know to.

Who did you save. It was not me, because the out come of the Rebel Arsonist actions are determined by a Host coin flip.

"Chiefsonny seems to be playing a more cautious game, Usually he is more willing to vote someone off, instead we see him taking a more passive strategy."

And it may have to something to do with this remark you (#85) made on Day 1

The mafia are known to mask under no votes early in games.

I have hated the No Kill vote since the very first Mafia Game and still do. And that's why I normally vote Not Voting when I don't think there's enough to go to lynch someone. In round 1 I voted No Kill because we were one vote away from ending the round.

I voted No Kill early in this round to see if that was the direction that the town wanted to take, with the caveat that I would probably change my vote if things changed. Which I will do before this 2nd day is over.

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

"The mafia are known to mask under no votes early in games."

Don't you think it's odd that after making a statement like that in Day 1, and hour ago you voted "Not Voting"

June 16, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Huh? My not voting was just a filler until I decide who to vote for.

June 17, 2012
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#85

@85... You keep accusing me of setting you up despite the fact I was defending you, even after I pointed out I was defending you.

June 17, 2012
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Redack

That said, 85 was a bit weird last round and Hezekiah does have a good track record for finding mafia players but being ignored.


June 17, 2012
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#85

If I could be bothered, I could quote far more defensive things I said for you and you have been acting weird anyway. In fact I think in that same reply I defended you.

June 17, 2012
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Redack

Damn, just read so much, and yet learned so little. Plenty of back-and-forth going on, but nothing that points to guilt.

June 17, 2012
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Feral

We are about 2 hours away from the end of the 2nd day of this round.

Don't know what the count is, but if it's not close enough for anybody or any type of No vote, and with tomorrow being Fathers day and some players may have plans I would suggest letting the game go until say around 9pm on the 3rd day, unless of course any min vote count is reached.

Just a thought.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I have hated the No Kill vote since the very first Mafia Game and still do. And that's why I normally vote Not Voting when I don't think there's enough to go to lynch someone. In round 1 I voted No Kill because we were one vote away from ending the round.


But there's no difference between No Kill and Not Voting. : /

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

We are about 2 hours away from the end of the 2nd day of this round.

We're 26 hours away, chief. Almost 2 days have gone by now, so there is still another 24 hours.

June 17, 2012
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`Roxas`

Not unless there is 48 hours in a day, Roxas. Read what cheif said again.

June 17, 2012
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Feral

What we believe to know so far:

Xhin- Dead Stormtrooper
chiefsonny- attscked by rebel arsonist.
Redack- Otsider claim
#85- Double Voter claim
Davik- Med Droid claim
Feral- Empire sided Power role, NOT cop
Zanic- only possible freezing(silencing) victim

June 17, 2012
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Feral

"But there's no difference between No Kill and Not Voting. : /"

Yea, I guess you right. Maybe it's just the "Kill"
word that gives me pause.

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chiefsonny
 

*you right.

You're right.

Damn no editing rule.

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chiefsonny
 

Because I will be with family tomorrow, as I'm sure others will, this could be a long day round.

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Trever Leingod

Regarding No Kill vs Not Voting: They're two different things.
No Kill means they want nobody to die. A majority of votes means no kill will happen.
Not Voting removes you from the voter pool. So if we have 10 people and 5 go with Not Voting, it only takes 3 to cause a lynch. Put a different way, Not Voting can lead to sudden unexpected outcomes.

Since I don't know how much time I'll be having prior to Monday, gonna let people know now that I'm headed out to California and don't know how much internet access I'll have. Should be plenty to continue participating, but no harm in letting you know now.

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hezekiah

What Hezekiah said.

No kill is an actual vote to not kill anyone and overrides other votes if it's the majority, not voting isn't a vote and does nothing if it's the majority (so if one person voted to lynch and everyone else voted not voting then that lynch would occur because it got the most votes).

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Redack

Not unless there is 48 hours in a day, Roxas. Read what cheif said again.

"72 hours is the absolute maximum." Said in the OP and Trever's opening of the Day Round.

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`Roxas`

Well, before I vote again (I still don't want this to end with a no-kill), I'd like to hear CtR's reasons for voting for #85.

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MajorasMask9

i dont see the point in role revelation. if he didnt get recruited he helped narrow down roles for the rebels. unless he is not the DV, as he could be a townie pretending. but still

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CtR Black

i dont see the point in role revelation. if he didnt get recruited he helped narrow down roles for the rebels. unless he is not the DV, as he could be a townie pretending. but still

I usually agree with that way of thinking, but in this case, I think the positives outweigh the negatives. I give us a lead (not just them) which is key when we had literally 0 to go on. And it also, I think (knock on wood) makes the rebels want to keep me around as a scapegoat and proves I'm not a huge threat to them. So I think other than getting a little suspicion for possibly being converted, it was worth it.

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#85

I don't really agree with #85's reasoning for role revealing, but I don't consider him suspicious for it. In fact, I'm pretty convinced that he's still innocent right now, unless somebody else that's really the double voter says something in the near future.

Honestly, if you want to know what I think the best strategy for this game would be, it would be for the Emperor to claim, and have everyone message the Emperor in private somehow and role reveal to them. If anyone counterclaims Emperor, we vote to lynch one of them in the day round. If they're really the Emperor, they'll save themselves. The Medical Droid should protect the Emperor until they get converted or die.

Once the Emperor has all of the role information from every player, he should state which people have contradicting information (without revealing role specifics). This will narrow down the rebels, while also keeping other power role information secret.

However, with the lack of a private messaging system in place, this would be a bit difficult. But other than this I don't see any feasible way to properly take out the rebels when they have a role that is essentially nightkill immune and can convert people to their side.

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MajorasMask9

Keep in mind when I was on the opposite side, I discovered lancer was the outcast very early and we didn't do anything about it for 2 or 3 days. They aren't concerned with roles like mine.

Problem with that strat MM9 is the droid already revealed.

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#85

The danger with that, Majora, is what happens when the Medical Droid dies? What if they're already converted?

I had also been considering asking for an Emperor reveal (for a different reason), but there's too many variables because of the conversion factor.


Trever, please do the Night Round Posts at the end of that day's conversation, as opposed to as the beginning of the next day's post. That'd make it easier to keep track of everything, both for the night roles (easier to look at what was said during the day) and day time (scroll right to the top to easily see who's alive).

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hezekiah

Yeah, it would have been better if we had done that on Day 1, but it's kind of late now. I still don't want to no-kill this round, but I'm having a tough time picking someone based on how little we still know.

I'm going to vote for chiefsonny. I'm a bit hesitant to do this, but I think I might be right with this. Chiefsonny claims that he is proven innocent because he was targeted by the arsonist, and that the mafia wouldn't risk this, but they actually would. Reason being that Luke is on their side: a doctor. In fact, it would make more sense for the rebels to use the arsonist target on one of their own for the first night round over their standard night kill. Kill Xhin with the 100% guaranteed kill, while making a "kill attempt" on a rebel who is protected by Luke.

The way chiefsonny has been playing this game has struck me as a bit different than the way he usually does. I also find it very suspicious that he would vote for "no-kill" and say he will change it unless a majority is reached. He's strongly against no-kills, and to just openly contribute to the no-kill count so carelessly is something I've never seen him do.

Just call it a hunch I guess. I'm willing to risk it.

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MajorasMask9

I'm close to getting on board with MM9s plan.

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#85

I don't really agree with #85's reasoning for role revealing, but I don't consider him suspicious for it.

Again, I'm agreeing with everything Majora's saying. Just like last game, I'm willing to murder anyone because it's just our only chance. I'm not convinced you're guilty chief, but I'm not convinced anyone else is guilty either.

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The Bandit

I'm close to getting on board with MM9s plan.

I will say this, though. Last game I noticed that the mob were very cautious before committing to something, to avoid suspicion when they knew the voting would go south. A lot like #85 is doing right now.

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The Bandit

Updated vote tallies (8.5 hours until voting cutoff):

No Kill: 3 (DragonintheShadow, Redack, chiefsonny)
Not Voting: 2 (#85)*
DragonintheShadow: 2 (Davik, hezekiah)
chiefsonny: 2 (The Bandit, MajorasMask9)
The Bandit: 1 (Black Yoshi)
hezekiah: 1 (`Roxas`)
#85: 1 (CtR Black)

*Assuming that #85 is indeed the DV.

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`Roxas`

I just in general don't like the conversion roles. Seems to make it so that only early-game matters... Oh, you killed the converter? Great, town should win. Didn't? Well, now you're fucked. Congrats.

Still no clear consensus... I think we need to make a move here.

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hezekiah

I'm "cautious"? I'm advocating voting someone off, I just want to be smart about it.

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#85

Well this is the kind of thing I was waiting to see.

MM9's

First Suspicions.

I'm going to go ahead and say that I think #85 and Redack are kind of suspicious.

MM9's

Second Suspicions.

After reading through the threads a bit more, I'm going to vote for Davik.

MM9's

Third Suspicions:

"I'm going to vote for chiefsonny."

Now this is based on:
"The way chiefsonny has been playing this game has struck me as a bit different than the way he usually does.

Now since I've been playing Mafia, I've been Mafia twice, townie twice and a member of the Cult that won. So if I played 100% the same way all the time. What the hell kind of fool would that be? And anyway I learned a lot during the last Mafia game we played being teamed with some very good players. Enough said.

MM9 has changed his vote 3 times. Is that Suspicions: or trying to divert attention from him self?

Vote 1 Davik
Vote 2 Not Voting
Vote 3 Me.

And I'm not going to keep explaining by feeling about the NO Kill or The No Vote. If you don't understand it by now you never will.

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chiefsonny
 

Well since The Bandit is so quick to jump on someones band wagon then I guess I should return the favor.

And maybe it's time that all the people that MM9's been pointing fingers at re-think their vote.

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chiefsonny
 

I'm "cautious"? I'm advocating voting someone off, I just want to be smart about it.

Then give us an idea.

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The Bandit

Well since The Bandit is so quick to jump on someones band wagon then I guess I should return the favor.

Yes, I'm very quick. Someone needs to die. Standing around pointing fingers doesn't solve a lot, because no one has been (or, I think, will be) overly suspicious.

#85's line is the most suspicious thing I've seen. It just screams "I want to kill someone, but I don't want the town to come after me"

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The Bandit

Well my suggestion would be a non talker.

I've been mafia 3 or 4 times. There was rarely, if ever a situation where all mafia participated in a topic. You actually get a decent chance of knocking an under the radar mafia out, and if you take out one of your own, they weren't contributing anyway. Instead of trying to guess whose right and wrong.

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#85

My suspicions are changing when information comes up. In this game with Luke, you need to pick a good target for a kill. With my suspicions of Redack and #85, I just stated I was simply a bit suspicious: I did not vote for them. With Davik, I changed my vote because of his reveal. I'm not going to no-kill, and I'm not going to random vote.

And I'm not going to keep explaining by feeling about the NO Kill or The No Vote. If you don't understand it by now you never will.

I understand the differences between no-kill and no vote just fine, and I know that you're against no-killing. You specifically said, in reply 1339861468:

We kept (town) doing this No Kill last game and we lost the game.

However this ability for the Mafia to convert did not help either. Imo worst thing Trever did. It screwed up the game and gave a big edge to the mafia.

Which I'm taking as you being against voting for no-kill, or not lynching anyone in the day round.

Yet immediately afterward you voted no-kill, stating that you would change it if the majority changes. Why would you vote for an option that you're against--lowering the number of other people that need to vote for that before the round ends--and say that "I'll try to change it before the round ends."

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MajorasMask9

#85's line is the most suspicious thing I've seen. It just screams "I want to kill someone, but I don't want the town to come after me"

Give me a little more credit then that. You think I'm that dumb?

Plus if I was worried about people coming after me, I wouldn't be so open with my suspicions

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#85

Why would you vote for an option that you're against--lowering the number of other people that need to vote for that before the round ends--and say that "I'll try to change it before the round ends."

Wouldn't a rebel want to kill someone?

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The Bandit

Then give us an idea.

Go back through the post for this day round and see who has been pointing the most fingers with no proof to back them up,

MM9 and #85

I listed MM9's above so here are a few couple from
#85

I am most suspicious of the people that called me out, Feral, Redack, Davik and CTR, since I feel I was being set up.

Chiefsonny seems to be playing a more cautious game,

Draw your own conclusions.

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chiefsonny
 

Give me a little more credit then that. You think I'm that dumb?

Yes, I do. Though I'm 100% behind taking out a non-talker. Like I said, idgaf

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The Bandit

Wouldn't a rebel want to kill someone?

In this case, the rebels may want to no-kill to stall for time. It would be better than having day round discussions and potentially losing one of their own members. They have a strong advantage right now, being able to take away three of us, while adding one to their numbers per night. The longer the game goes on, the easier it is for them. No-kills would be a good way to limit the amount of information that comes out in the rounds.

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MajorasMask9

Yeah, both people have been suspicious of you chief, so I can understand your attitude. {roll}

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The Bandit

Well considering I've been mafia more then town, bandit, that strategy you semi accused me of following is beyond basic

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#85

And, for what it's worth, I also find it more suspicious that chiefsonny is strictly hard on the offensive now instead of any attempt at defending himself even a little. That's something I'd typically do inadvertently when I was mafia and had a finger pointed at me.

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MajorasMask9

Well considering I've been mafia more then town, bandit, that strategy you semi accused me of following is beyond basic

I'm so sorry to offend you. Jesus Christ, you guys need to fucking lighten up.

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The Bandit

@MM9, I made that No Kill vote because there were already 9 No Kill votes and everyone had stopped talking and the round was dragging on and on with no input.
And that will be the last time I defend it to you or anyone else. I have always spoken out against the No Kill and still don't like it and only think it should be used in the first day round when there is nothing at all to go on.

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chiefsonny
 

Well I'm down to take out chief because I'm not buying it or a non talker. Hurry up and decide though, it's almost over

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#85

I just in general don't like the conversion roles. Seems to make it so that only early-game matters... Oh, you killed the converter? Great, town should win. Didn't? Well, now you're fucked. Congrats.

Agreed--I'm not a fan of the converter roles either. It also makes it a lot less fun playing the game normally because you can expend a lot of energy trying to take down the Rebels only to wind up on their side the next turn. That's part of why it's been tough to really get invested in this game IMO.

Anyway, I think we need to take a chance and vote someone off--based on the numbers I don't think a misvote will kill our chances completely and it'll really pay off if we manage to hit Luke Skywalker. We need to come to some sort of consensus, though--it won't help if we all vote different ways and wind up with a tie vote or a No Kill majority, and we can't rely on the Cop because they won't want to come forward even if they have information, because they'll just wind up converted.

I don't understand the votes for chiefsonny. He was attacked by the Arsonist, who is Rebel-sided this round. Based on the way Trever worded it, I don't think the Doctor was involved in keeping him alive, so I think he's most likely Town-sided. For now, I'm actually going to cast my vote against DragonintheShadow because he's kinda been all over the place this game. I also think we need to keep an eye on the players who have roleclaimed since they could be converted at any point, but the plus side to them is that they're most likely not Luke even if they have been converted, and since Luke is our top priority it's probably best we don't worry about them for now.

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white lancer

@chiefsonny, that was at the start of this round I'm referring to. At which point, there were only two no-kill votes.

Saturday, Jun 16, 2012 -- 11:44am
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MajorasMask9

Lancer says we shouldn't divide our votes, then votes for someone who no one else has voted for. {roll}

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The Bandit

I also find it more suspicious that chiefsonny is strictly hard on the offensive now instead of any attempt at defending himself even a little

Defend myself. They tried to burn my ass up for Christ sake. And the only thing that can save you from that is a coin flip from the Host. Read the rules.

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chiefsonny
 

My vote puts DitS at 3 votes, meaning he actually has more votes than any other option besides No Kill.

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white lancer

Oh lol jk

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The Bandit

Defend myself. They tried to burn my ass up for Christ sake. And the only thing that can save you from that is a coin flip from the Host. Read the rules.


Luke Skywalker - The Jedi Knight can choose one person each night. The Jedi Knight will go to that person's room. If that person will die for any reason during that night, the Jedi Knight will save his or her life. The Jedi Knight can also save himself or herself. The Jedi Knight may also choose one person and guess their role during the Night Round. They may choose to give the new recruit any powered role of the Rebel alignment that is not currently occupied. If this guess is wrong, the Jedi Knight’s role is exposed to the Empire, but if it is correct, the selected person will turn to the Rebel Alliance during the day round – unless it is the Emperor, in which case, nothing happens.

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MajorasMask9

Oh lol jk

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The Bandit

@chiefsonny, that was at the start of this round I'm referring to. At which point, there were only two no-kill votes.

I did that because of the smart ass post that #85 made about Mafia voting NO Vote to cover up what who they are.

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chiefsonny
 

I did that because of the smart ass post that #85 made about Mafia voting NO Vote to cover up what who they are.


His post was about the mafia hiding behind "no-kill" votes. Regardless, wouldn't it have been an all-around better move to not submit a vote at all rather than contribute to a count that could end the round early? That was my problem with your action this round.

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MajorasMask9

The problem with that, MM9, is that in previous games Trever has specified that someone's intervention saved that person's life. All we've got from chief's attempted murder is this:

Chiefsonny’s chambers burned down, but the Force was with him during the night and he woke in time to escape the fire unharmed.

It doesn't sound like the Doctor was involved at all in keeping chief alive, so I'm going to assume he's Town-sided for now. He's actually probably the least suspicious player in this game to me right now because I think he's the only one that has a legitimately good defense.

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white lancer

You're right about Skywalker. My bad. I only knew as much about the Arsonist after he came after me. Wanted to see if they were the same as the reg Mafia role since I was the Arsonist in one of those game.

I need to check out the mafia roles b4 I insert my foot in my mouth again.

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chiefsonny
 

I don't buy the arguement about Chiefsonny being saved by Luke. Sounds like a way to bury chief and attempt to make our med-droid come forward(which would have failed, since the droid revealed due to his inexperience).

Feral votes for Majora'sMask9

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Feral

I think most of our problems this game has been the lack of talking, and the only way we'll learn anything is if we take a chance and hopefully hit a Rebel. So I will change my vote to DragonintheShadow.

Updated with 7.5 hours left in the Round:

DragonintheShadow: 5 (Davik, hezekiah, white lancer, The Bandit, `Roxas`)
No Kill: 3 (Redack, DragonintheShadow, chiefsonny)
Not Voting: 2 (#85)
chiefsonny: 1 (MajorasMask9)
#85: 1 (CtR Black)
The Bandit: 1 (Black Yoshi)

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`Roxas`

Going along with that, though, white lancer, there is still the 50% chance that the arsonist would have failed, meaning the doctor save would have been irrelevant.

I didn't want to go here with accusations, since I know that I've been throwing around a lot this round, but one final thing that made me suspicious of chiefsonny was how certain of Zanic being silenced he was. White lancer only talked in this round for the first time a few minutes ago. Yet, chiefsonny was right about Zanic being silenced.

White lancer showed in his post that he knows what he's talking about this game, so I assume he's been reading this thread and has been quiet. If white lancer was a rebel, he would have been communicating in the rebel thread. If chiefsonny and white lancer were rebels, they would both be aware that they were not silenced. The fact that white lancer actually wasn't silenced, and it is in fact Zanic, either says that chiefsonny is most likely the imperial silencer or a rebel. I'm leaning toward rebel.

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MajorasMask9

I was already sketchy of Feral and that increased it some.

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#85

Add on because of Feral's vote:

MajorasMask9: 1 (Feral)

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`Roxas`

I don't buy the arguement about Chiefsonny being saved by Luke. Sounds like a way to bury chief and attempt to make our med-droid come forward(which would have failed, since the droid revealed due to his inexperience). [/quote[
Why would I make the medical droid come forward after he revealed? Voting for chiefsonny wouldn't even give the medical droid incentive to reveal himself.


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MajorasMask9

And now #85's:

Feral: 2 (#85)

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`Roxas`

Why would the rebels know who is silenced?

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Feral

So let me just say this. I understand that everyone has to vote the way their gut tells them or where the evidence takes them.
And that's the way it should be. That's what I understand the game of Mafia is all about.

I can only tell you I'm not Mafia. You have to make your own choices as I do mine.

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chiefsonny
 

Why would the rebels know who is silenced?

They wouldn't. But, chiefsonny seemed to imply that white lancer wasn't silenced. If one of the rebels was silenced, they wouldn't even be able to post in the rebel thread. If white lancer was a rebel, he would have most likely posted in the rebel thread earlier in the day round, making chiefsonny think that white lancer already posted in the day round.

Quote from chiefsonny:

We are now about 18 hours into this day round and the counter not's working and by my check everyone but Zanic has made some kind of post although not everyone has voted, myself included. /quote]


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MajorasMask9

Hypothetically, if Han sucseeded in saving Chief, we would have the med-droid come forward and inform us that it wasn't him, revealing Han as the saver, and therfore Chief a rebel. Saving a Imperial is the LAST thing Han wants to do.

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Feral

Hypothetically, if Han sucseeded in saving Chief, we would have the med-droid come forward and inform us that it wasn't him, revealing Han as the saver, and therfore Chief a rebel. Saving a Imperial is the LAST thing Han wants to do.

Assuming that was my plan, why would it matter, if we already knew the identity of the medical droid?

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MajorasMask9

Where did Trever say that a Silenced rebel can't talk in the rebel thread? If he DID say that, it was probably IN the rebel thread since it is irelevent for non-rebeld who can't access that thread anyway.

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Feral

Where did Trever say that a Silenced rebel can't talk in the rebel thread? If he DID say that, it was probably IN the rebel thread since it is irelevent for non-rebeld who can't access that thread anyway.

When someone's role is changed to "silenced" they can't access the threads they belong to. Regardless, if a rebel was silenced and could talk in the rebel thread, they would know they were silenced and would mention it.

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MajorasMask9

I may have my timinh off. Did Davik reveal this round or last?

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Feral

Earlier this round.

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MajorasMask9

"We are now about 18 hours into this day round and the counter not's working and by my check everyone but Zanic has made some kind of post although not everyone has voted, myself included. /quote]"

So I missed white lancer.

lol I guess I should vote for you. But I won't. At least not yet.

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chiefsonny
 

This isn't about the fact that you missed white lacner, it was the fact that you were right about Zanic being silenced.

Though I'm starting to think I just inadvertantly revealed enough information that points toward chiefsonny being the Imperial Silencer.

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MajorasMask9

Going along with that, though, white lancer, there is still the 50% chance that the arsonist would have failed, meaning the doctor save would have been irrelevant.

I guess that's true. I'm not sure what Trever would do if the Arsonist failed and the Doctor protected him anyway, so I guess there's still a chance that chief is a Rebel. I'm leaning toward him being the Silencer though, because of what you pointed out about him apparently knowing who was silenced. Since I'm not a Rebel, there's no way chief could have known that if he weren't the silencer himself, unless maybe he was a Rebel along with Zanic.

For the record, I've been following along as best I can this past week but finals/graduation have prevented me from actively participating. Zanic will be able to confirm this.

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white lancer

Yeah, see, when the arsonest torched Chief, Han COULDN'T have known Davik would reveal. If the burning had been sucsessful, either Cheif would be dead, Han saved him compelling the med droid to reveal and finger cheif, or the slim chance that the droid randomly picked cheif to save himself.

So, so long as the droid Didn't save cheif, eithrr chief would have died ot the med droid would come forward and revealed.

Does that make sence? lol

As far as Silencing goes, Iv'e never been, and thought it only effected the main thread.

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Feral

Whatever we're going to do, we need to do it quick. The time is running out and the rebels have to be rejoicing at this disorganization. I think it's the general consensus now to not go with no kill but ideas are all over the place and if we actually are going to lynch someone then we need to do it.

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White Thunder

you guys want to kill me off that's fine, but I'm just a Storm Trooper.

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DragonintheShadow

Going off of two games ago when chief and I were the Cops, you can't access your role-specific thread and you can't reply to this thread but can still see the actions going on here.

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`Roxas`

Honest mistake on my part then.

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Feral

Yeah, see, when the arsonest torched Chief, Han COULDN'T have known Davik would reveal. If the burning had been sucsessful, either Cheif would be dead, Han saved him compelling the med droid to reveal and finger cheif, or the slim chance that the droid randomly picked cheif to save himself.

So, so long as the droid Didn't save cheif, eithrr chief would have died ot the med droid would come forward and revealed.

Does that make sence? lol


Kind of. However, this was my idea on how the night round hypotherically could have gone down:

The rebels have two kills: One that is 100% guaranteed, and one that is 50% guaranteed. They use the 100% chance kill on a legitimate target (Xhin), and then use the 50% chance kill on one of their own (hypothetically, chiefsonny). They would have the rebel-sided doctor prevent chiefsonny from dying if the arsonist kill was successful.

I guess they could have assumed that the medical droid coming forward would be a good way to get rid of the medical droid, but I dunno. I'm going to go through this thread and last thread some more.

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MajorasMask9

Am I the only one that finds it strange that as soon as Feral voted for MM9, then # 85 changed his vote to Feral.

That's what we did when I was in the mafia. If a mafia is voted for, then another mafia changes their vote to spread the vote.

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chiefsonny
 

Yeah, but I just assumed he was waiting for someone to ask him what he was thinking.

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The Bandit

Again, hypothetically, chief is mafia. Cheif dies in the fire, and Han saves him. Mef-droid comes forward and says he DIDN't save cheif. We now know that Han saved cheif, and that cheif is a Rebel. We lynch cheif.

Kinda risky.

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Feral

Honestly, since there's already enough evidence for the rebels to have figured out chiefsonny is the Imperial Silencer, if he is the Imperial Silencer, it would be best if he admitted to being or not being the Silencer for the town's sake an potentially prevent a mislynching.

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MajorasMask9

It's not like it matters at this point, the rebels know half of our roles anyway.

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The Bandit

Again, hypothetically, chief is mafia. Cheif dies in the fire, and Han saves him. Mef-droid comes forward and says he DIDN't save cheif. We now know that Han saved cheif, and that cheif is a Rebel. We lynch cheif.


I guess. But as you said, it would bring the medical droid forward. I think the rebels would be willing to make a somewhat risky move in order to get rid of the medical droid.

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MajorasMask9

When you're silenced your role becomes "Silenced". So you're no longer whatever role you used to be and thus can't access your usual post until you get that role back... That's how it works :)

So the rebels wouldn't know for definite if their ally was silenced, but would notice their absence.

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Redack

It's not like it matters at this point, the rebels know half of our roles anyway.

True, but if chief were to claim the he was the silencer, and somebody counterclaimed and had a decent-enough story, I think we'd have enough evidence that chief is actually a rebel.

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MajorasMask9

We have too many Imperial role out there already. The droid can't save them all from conversion. We are making this to easy.

Cheif, if you are the silencer let Luke guess, or let the proove it to us when their spy uncovers it.

June 17, 2012
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Feral

I'd like to know where everybody's getting this idea that Han saves people. The document states:

Han Solo - Each night, he checks someone's room. At the end of the night round, that person's role will be revealed in the Rebel thread.

June 17, 2012
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`Roxas`

I am not the Imperial Silencer.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

@Roxas, they're thinking about Luke I assume.

June 17, 2012
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Redack

I'm just getting my roles confused. I know the rebels have the doctor role, and thought Han was it.

June 17, 2012
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Feral

Reading over this, I am just here to confirm I did not save Chiefsonny.

I'm saying this because I only mentioned choosing against saving Xhin.

June 17, 2012
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Davik

Careful with spreading the votes, don't want them to get a double kill

June 17, 2012
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#85

To late now. Should go ahead a reveal. This is what cost us the game the last time. Stupid play by the town. And I let them talk me right into their trap.
So If you have plans to convert me, you may want to think again, because I will come to the main thread and reveal every rebel info I can gather.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'm sticking with my vote for chiefsonny. I don't see how he could have known Zanic was targeted by the silencer if he wasn't the silencer.

To late now. Should go ahead a reveal. This is what cost us the game the last time. Stupid play by the town. And I let them talk me right into their trap.
If you're so for revealing, then what's your role?

June 17, 2012
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MajorasMask9

"If you're so for revealing, then what's your role?"

I'll let you find out when you and your rebel cohorts convert me.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

He's "The Decider" and he's got biiiiig stuff going on, big stuff.

June 17, 2012
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Redack

I'll let you find out when you and your rebel cohorts convert me.

You're not helping the town any by saying this. If anything, it's making you look more suspicious, as if you're hiding something.

You implied that the rebels know your role, but your hiding it from everyone else?

June 17, 2012
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MajorasMask9

You're not helping the town any by saying this

You don't know how wrong you are.

'You implied that the rebels know your role, but your hiding it from everyone else?

I implied that you as a rebel (which based on your actions I am certain you are)would find out who I am if you try and convert me.

God, I'm starting to sound like teddy and knuckles.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I'll let you find out when you and your rebel cohorts convert me.

Emperor - Immune to conversions. He or she may choose to stop ALL killings from occurring during the day round as well. Due to this fact, he is technically immune to day killings entirely.

Am I the only one who noticed this when I read over the document?

June 17, 2012
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Davik

I implied that you as a rebel (which based on your actions I am certain you are)would find out who I am if you try and convert me.


Thus, implying the rebels know your role, and would be able to convert you.

You've already stated that the rebels won't be wanting to convert you because you're reveal them, thus, you won't be targeted by them for a converstion. You're not Darth Vader or else you would have killed the person that attempted to kill you. You're not the Emperor as you claimed that you are convertable. Outcast was claimed, Medical Droid was claimed, Double Voter was claimed, you denied Engineer. All that's left are Executioner, Assassin, and Dark Apprentice. You can strike Dark Apprentice off since if you were the Dark Apprentice you would reveal your information before your death (if you're even worried about being killed by the rebels). That leaves Executioner and Storm Trooper, or worse, a rebel.

If you're a Storm Trooper, I'd recommend revealing.

June 17, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Err, Boba Fett and Force Phantom, forgot about those. Either way, if you're a storm trooper please reveal!

June 17, 2012
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MajorasMask9

No I'm not going to revel and put a bigger target on my back.

And how do we know that all these people that have reveled so early, which was a mistake, are who they say they are.

How about telling us what rebel role you hold?

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

And I am asking that the cop, if it is Zanic they can't silence him 2 day in a row, investigate me next.

June 17, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Changing my vote to DragonintheShadow. I'm still very iffy on chiefsonny, but I'm willing to give this another night round to see where it goes.

June 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

{:3}

guys are gonna look pretty stupid when I get killed 'cause I'm just a Storm Trooper...Wait a second...

{:/}

June 18, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

And I repeat. I ask that the cop investigate me so we can put this matter to rest.

That's provide The Rebels don't ice me tonight.

Medical Droid dude, watch my back{:P}

June 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

Question: what did Dragon do that was so suspicious? Or is it just an example of following the crowd?

I have more reason to be suspicious of Majora then Dragon, so I'll keep my vote as is.

June 18, 2012
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Feral

Seeing as we have two Storm Trooper claims, with one of them being dead already, I'm going to go ahead and claim Storm Trooper as well.

Xhin
DragonintheShadow
Zanic
MajorasMask9

Xhin is the only one confirmed. Anyone else want to join the Storm Trooper claim pool?

My current recommendation is that we wait to see if anyone else claims Storm Trooper. Right now since we have four Storm Trooper claims (reveal in Xhin's case), if nobody counterclaims then the four of us should be considered legitimate Storm Troopers and therefore completely innocent.

If one or more of us is lying, however, then there should be a legitimate Storm Trooper or two out there still. If that's the case, I'd recommend claiming. If we do end up with more than four Storm Troopers, I'd then recommend killing off Storm Troopers at random or based on how suspicious they've been (I know I'm including myself in that!)

June 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Question: what did Dragon do that was so suspicious? Or is it just an example of following the crowd?

He told us we should vote to kill Teddy just because Teddy was going to be gone for a day or two.

June 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

was a simple mistake. I thought he would be missing two rounds, not just one. If I knew it was just one round I would have said nothing at all.

June 18, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Which is why, if there are any legitimate Storm Troopers out there that haven't claimed, I'd recommend they do so.

June 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

I never told anyone to vote him off. Sure I suggested it, but I never said it was because of any specific role. Hell, I even apologized for it while I voted for him.

June 18, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Really, just for that? Sounds like paranoia to me.

As I said, I am a Imperial power (non-cop)role, not a storm trooper.

June 18, 2012
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Feral

Some just jumped out and bite me right on my ass. I can't believe that I and others missed this.

Where has Shadowwalked been? He's listed as playing.

June 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

don't recall him posting either day. Maybe he forgot or something came up and he hasn't been able to play. Or he could have been silenced. Is there a silencer role in this game?

June 18, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

know if he has posted in any other forums?

June 18, 2012
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DragonintheShadow

Well I'm still confused about these roles. The guy that can silence is called the Imperial Engineer and if I read it right he's townsided. If that's the case why would he silence our cop. Or was our cop converted the first damn part of the game like last time. This is why I think this ability give the Mafia way to much power.

If that's the case I may be wrong thinking Zanic is the cop and where's Shadowwalked?

June 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I honestly don't see the point in a town-sided silencer. They'd never know if the person they silenced was a rebel or not. Even if they did silence a rebel, it's not like it would really change much for them since they work as a group.

June 18, 2012
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MajorasMask9

Last I saw of Shadow was during the last Knuckles episode. Lots of people were at family functions today.

June 18, 2012
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Feral

Wait, Zanic claimed cop? I missed that.

Honestly, WAY to many Imperial roles claimed...

June 18, 2012
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Feral

Can we get an updated list of the votes, as well as notes of anybody who has reached the Executioner cutoff?

June 18, 2012
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hezekiah

The only one who has even come close to executer's needed votes is Dragon, and I think he is still short a vote or two.

June 18, 2012
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Feral

Wait, Zanic claimed cop? I missed that.

No. I thought he may have been the Cop because he had not posted. Not realizing that guy that is the silencer is a town role this game unless I read that wrong.

June 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I honestly don't see the point in a town-sided silencer.

Good point. But I'm glad it is. Mafia has enough power as it is.

June 18, 2012
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chiefsonny
 

I think I found a way to win the game.

We have 4 claims of Trooper. Plus myself, the Double Voter.

That's a voting block of 6.

If you are town sided go to No Vote

And this will force the people out, especially if the Cop can come out with a guilty verdict.

June 18, 2012
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#85

well one Trooper is dead so the Medical Droid can join the block

June 18, 2012
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#85

I honestly don't see the point in a town-sided silencer.

It mixes things up and allows a townie to silence someone they find suspicious and/or annoying. Potentially useful, especially if the person they silence is a big thinker and possibly a Rebel trying to throw suspicion around to the wrong people.

Anyway, this round has gone on long enough, and it's pretty clear no one is going to die via arrest/lynch. I'm going to end it now, it's pretty clear I won't be up at 2am tonight and I doubt most others will be either.

Doing the night thing here as requested:

Night Actions:

1. Dark Apprentice check
2. Imperial Engineer selection
3. Imperial Assassin selection
4. Han Solo check
5. Rebel Arsonist selection
6. Medical Droid selection
7. Luke Skywalker actions
8. Rebel kill
9. R2D2 actions

June 18, 2012
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