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star wars empire rebel thread

Posted June 12, 2012 by Trever Leingod

Good day, gentlemen! Here are your roles:

White Thunder - Han Solo
`Roxas` - Rebel Arsonist
white lancer - Luke Skywalker

Note that unlike the Dark Lord role, Luke is not going to appear innocent to the Dark Apprentice, thus upping the risk of being him. But he also gets the Doctor powers to compensate. This power can save ANYONE during the night rounds, even from fires... very useful role, obviously. The arsonist only has a 50/50 chance of making a kill but it's still probably more effective than the Executioner role.

So ironically last game, it was Revenge of the Sith. Let's say if you guys can keep the ball rolling and have Return of the Jedi.

Best of luck to you all!

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Hello there, Roxas--it'll be fun to work with you again! And White Thunder, haven't gotten the chance to work with you yet, but I'm looking forward to it. ^^

My first suggestion is that our first investigate/convert target be someone who is less likely to be protected by Yoda, so rather than a 'power player' like Majora or Shadow (one of whom we should probably investigate next round), I'd suggest investigating someone like Zanic this round. He's generally under the radar so I think he's not very likely to be detected anyway.

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white lancer

I'm probably going to use my powers Night 1 on this Davik guy.

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`Roxas`

But yes, let's sweep this game.

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`Roxas`

Also, I'm almost guaranteed to be checked this night after the antics I pulled last game. If so, c'est la vie and best of luck, comrades.

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`Roxas`

I think we should investigate Davik. New guy may cause some waves early. Maybe we'll be lucky and hit the Dark investigator.

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`Roxas`

Actually, not too sure about that now. I do still want to kill him.

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`Roxas`

{:P} Don't be so quick to kill the new guy, you might scare him off from the game for good.

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Trever Leingod

So? Also, may I suggest locking the main thread? Unless Night Talk is on this whole game.

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`Roxas`

SO? PFFT! {:P}

Ordinarily people don't post in the main thread at night, but leave it to Redack... *locks it* No, Night Talk will be used sparingly.

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Trever Leingod

Well, I have to run out with my mum and brother to do some things. Hope the round doesn't end before I get back so that we can further discuss our options as a team. Godspeed, fellow Rebels.

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`Roxas`

Finally I get a fun one :) looking forward to this... wish we had a Janitor though. It's funny how we're the "Mafia" but we have many of the traditional townie roles and they have some of the Mafia ones. That's a cool twist.

I think Zanic is a good investigation, any objections to that?

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White Thunder

Finally I get a fun one :) looking forward to this... wish we had a Janitor though. It's funny how we're the "Mafia" but we have many of the traditional townie roles and they have some of the Mafia ones. That's a cool twist.

Exactly! I wanted to make the game different from the original, and mixing up the roles seemed like a good way to do that. Just remember you can recruit a Janitor (R2D2) if you guys wish.

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Trever Leingod

Why am I able to see this thread?

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The Bandit

Good question... you're not a Rebel. WTH! {>:(}

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Trever Leingod

I have no idea what happened guys... He was another role last night for sure but somehow when I just checked, he was changed to a Rebel somehow. >_> That's totally weird. I am going to contact people on the mod forum to see how this happened.

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Trever Leingod

Okay guys, here's the deal. I lied to Bandit and told him I switched your roles around with other people. My exact words:

Because of this, I have to shuffle the original Rebels with some of the Empire and vice versa... they probably won't be happy about it, but then again the game just started and it's the only way to salvage this mishap >_>

I'm lying about this of course, but he has no reason to believe I am lying. I don't like lying, but in this case I think it's the best and easiest thing to do.

I have no idea how the hell he became a Rebel and I really wish he had contacted me rather than peeking into the thread. Yeano and I will try to find out how this mishap happened... Sorry guys. >_<

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Trever Leingod

Alright. So how about we investigate and convert Bandit?

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white lancer

LOL. That will fix things up real good...

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Trever Leingod

Yes. Bandit.

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White Thunder

Official pick?

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Trever Leingod

Sounds fair to me. I just pray that the "Cop" doesn't investigate me. >_< Which, as I said, is likely to happen.

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`Roxas`

Very official.

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White Thunder

Okay.

The Bandit is the...

Force Ghost

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Trever Leingod

Hmm. That throws a wrench in.

Couple questions, Trever. If he copies a role, and we guess "Force Ghost Bandit", will we be wrong? Also, if he copies a role and then is converted, wouldn't the other version of the role he copied then know that he was no longer sided with the Empire?

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White Thunder

Couple questions, Trever. If he copies a role, and we guess "Force Ghost Bandit", will we be wrong?

This is undefined, and the chances of him guessing right without a reveal is like 1 in 18 or less, so I'm gonna just say no, you'd be in the clear.

Also, if he copies a role and then is converted, wouldn't the other version of the role he copied then know that he was no longer sided with the Empire?

He's currently sided WITH the Rebels by default, but yeah, if he copied say the Dark Apprentice and stops posting in that thread, the other person will notice if he posts in the main thread and not the other one.

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Trever Leingod

Okay, thank you.

For both Trever and the other Rebels, I just posted in the main thread saying I'll be gone all day tomorrow. Not sure if I'll be on again before then either. Just so you know. If Night 1 is going on for a while before I get back I guess one of you can act in my stead.

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White Thunder

I'm thinking of lighting a fire for hezekiah in the next night. :3

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`Roxas`

Or maybe Xhin.

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`Roxas`

I think if we hit any of their power roles *cop or Vader*, I should attempt to kill them.

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`Roxas`

A message from Redack:

"I know who the cop (dark apprentice) is and that if they convert me I'll gladly share this info with my new allies."

They being you Rebels.

Looks like Rederick might be in the same kind of trouble Roxas and Feral were in last time O_O

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Trever Leingod

Wouldn't it be better to convert them instead of kill them? There's really nothing that can stop us from converting them, since there's no Yoda in this game. I was going to say that we'll have to watch out for Vader, especially because it'll suck if White Thunder hits him, but since I have Doctor powers I'll be able to keep WT alive. I suggest that Roxas casts the first vote for our group kills during the night, since the Arsonist is probably our least valuable role at this point in time. I'll make the first person we convert into Chewbacca so we'll all have a bit of protection.

Couple of questions, Trever:

1. Darth Vader kills anyone who enters his room. Does that include the Arsonist? Does the Arsonist technically enter his room in order to set it on fire?

2. When you said Bandit was the Force Ghost, you meant that he hasn't joined a side yet (as of now), right?

3. If I convert someone into Chewbacca and then protect them with my Doctor powers, will they be safe even from redirected attacks (since Chewbacca dies whenever one of us would die, saving him would effectively make us immune to nightkills)?

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white lancer

@Trever--he sent you that via an IM?

We'll have to consider that. It would be a great offer to accept but it could still be a trap--do we want to take the risk that Redack's lying?

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white lancer

Wouldn't it be better to convert them instead of kill them? There's really nothing that can stop us from converting them, since there's no Yoda in this game.

Clearly Yoda didn't help at all last game (in fact the best he did was save himself and the worst he did was save a traitor) so I left him out, and I couldn't figure who to make Doctor anyway. Of course, Luke has the handicap of being caught by the Cop, but he's still quite lethal.

1. Darth Vader kills anyone who enters his room. Does that include the Arsonist? Does the Arsonist technically enter his room in order to set it on fire?

No. The arsonist technically just burns their "house" or chambers but doesn't go inside. So arsoning him is risk-free.

2. When you said Bandit was the Force Ghost, you meant that he hasn't joined a side yet (as of now), right?

He counts as a Rebel on the ratio, but he's not officially Empire or Rebel sided yet.

We'll have to consider that. It would be a great offer to accept but it could still be a trap--do we want to take the risk that Redack's lying?

Yes, IM message.

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Trever Leingod

Redack is sly, but I don't think he'd be that much on the radar unless he wanted to be converted, much like Feral and I were trying to do last game. We saw how that worked for me. I say we take the chance. I am more than open to suggestions as to who we kill with my power in the night.

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`Roxas`

3. If I convert someone into Chewbacca and then protect them with my Doctor powers, will they be safe even from redirected attacks (since Chewbacca dies whenever one of us would die, saving him would effectively make us immune to nightkills)?

You didn't answer this question, Trever.

Alright, so we take the chance with converting Redack tonight? I'm alright with that--I know he would rather play on the 'evil' side anyway. I'd suggest investigating Zanic tonight then like we planned last night. You could burn whoever you want--I'm not really sure who would be a good target. Maybe chiefsonny?

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white lancer

Whoops, dunno how I overlooked that. Sorry!

Uh yeah, that Chewbacca trick actually would work. Pretty tricky, and a major oversight on my part, but rules are rules.

Alright, so we take the chance with converting Redack tonight? I'm alright with that--I know he would rather play on the 'evil' side anyway.

Technically you guys are the good guys now {:P}

You could burn whoever you want--I'm not really sure who would be a good target. Maybe chiefsonny?

It seems people in this game have a particular taste for picking on the admins {:P}

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Trever Leingod

He does seem like a good target. The Cop would be foolish to say anything this time around like I did last. It is signing a death warrant. After seeing how it goes, the Cop won't say anything. Until a few rounds in, I believe.

I just sent him a message to get some clarification on what he wants to do with this.

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`Roxas`

The sooner they are out, the better!

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`Roxas`

Trever, would there be anything against me torching my own chambers with lancer saving me in the process? I feel like that would throw the town off our trail for a little bit.

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`Roxas`

Okay, so here are the players and his respective role (if we know or the claim to be that role).

Xhin
chiefsonny
DragonintheShadow
Redack (Outcast?)
hezekiah
Shadowwalked
Feral
Black Yoshi
White Thunder (Han Solo)
`Roxas` (Rebel Arsonist)
white lancer (Luke Skywalker)
CtR Black
MajorasMask9
#85 (Double Voter)
Zanic
The Bandit
Davik
Teddy-Son

I think MM9 would be a good bet to investigate or kill tonight with our vote. I can kill chief with my arsonist ability.

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`Roxas`

Trever, would there be anything against me torching my own chambers with lancer saving me in the process? I feel like that would throw the town off our trail for a little bit.

That's perfectly acceptable.

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Trever Leingod

Well, are you okay with this, lancer?

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`Roxas`

Time to wait for my comrades.

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`Roxas`

*hears crickets*

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Trever Leingod

Well, I guess I will burn chiefsonny's chambers tonight. I'm open to change it if Thunder and lancer get on sometime soon. {:/}

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`Roxas`

Let's burn chief tonight--I wanna protect White Thunder to keep him safe if he runs into Darth Vader (we can do you burning yourself another time). I guess he should also be the one to cast the first vote to kill, since he'll be protected anyway, so we'll wait for him before voting. Not really sure who we should target--maybe Majora?

Protect: White Thunder

Convert: I'll take a gamble and convert Redack, the Imperial Outcast, into Chewbacca.

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white lancer

I will lock in my decision to burn chiefsonny in his chambers.

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`Roxas`

Well, I'm not too sure now about chiefsonny. {:/} Still thinking a bit about taking out this Davik guy.

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`Roxas`

Actually, I will definitely lock in my decision on chiefsonny.

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`Roxas`

Sorry about that.

Who should I investigate? Is everybody alright with Zanic?

I'm hesitant of the Redack vote because 1. he could be lying and 2. the Empire could very well suspect that he will be converted and that would waste a conversion. But I guess it's too late now.

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White Thunder

And I think we should kill Xhin. Of course.

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White Thunder

I can still change my vote to convert. The other thing is that if we don't convert Bandit tonight we won't know if he's still the Force Ghost later on, so we'll lose the chance to convert him. If I don't convert Redack, though, I suggest investigating him tonight so that we know for sure who he is and can take him tomorrow.

I've got no problems with killing Xhin.

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white lancer

So the current votes are:

Burn - chiefsonny

Save - White Thunder

Convert - Redack or The Bandit

Investigate - Redack or Zanic

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Trever Leingod

Oh and:

Kill - Xhin

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Trever Leingod

It's up to you, lancer. My opinion is to convert Bandit just to be safe, and then I can investigate Redack tomorrow night. But it's your call.

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White Thunder

Alright. I will convert Bandit as long as you investigate Redack tonight--we can investigate Zanic tomorrow and if Redack knows who the Cop is we want to get him on our side ASAP.

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white lancer

Right. Ok, so my pick is to investigate Redack.

If he is lying my guess is that he's the PGO or whatever the alternative to that is. Good thing you saved me.

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White Thunder

And if he's the PGO, Roxas can torch him tomorrow. ^^

Convert: Bandit, the Force Ghost, into Chewbacca.

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white lancer

Torch chiefsonny.
Convert Bandit.
Investigate Redack.
KILL XHIN!

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`Roxas`

Sooo... anyone else bored? LETS GET THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD!

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White Thunder

I agree. Unfortunately, I have a terrible headache and am choosing to go to bed soon.

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`Roxas`

Yeah, bed sounds good right about now. So tomorrow we can get this started.

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White Thunder

chiefsonny coin time

I will convert Bandit, but since he is the Force Ghost you can have him copy one of your roles. Or you can make him Chewbacca. You can decide on that when he comes in here.

Redack is indeed the Imperial Outcast.

Xhin is targeted.

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Trever Leingod

If Bandit wants to copy one of our roles, he should copy mine. Having two Luke Skywalkers will be pretty devastating IMO.

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white lancer

I agree, lancer.

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`Roxas`

Well, having two arsonists would help too. {troll}

But he should have at least came in here before voting for me. {:/}

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`Roxas`

There are a lot of useful roles, he could be any of them. I really wish he would show up already...

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White Thunder

Yeah. Sucks that chief got out of his death chamber. {>:(} I think we should go after Feral in the next night to kill. We're obviously going to convert Redack and, in turn, receive the identity of the Dark Apprentice. Just a mater of who to investigate and burn.

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`Roxas`

I also think we should avoid going after people that have revealed his role, with the exception of Redack.

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`Roxas`

I think we have a pretty good chance of getting 85 booted off, there are plenty who are suspicious of him. We just gotta play it cool.

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White Thunder

It would be easy, but we need to wait for somebody *cough*Redack*cough* to make a push to get him off of the map. After that, we can convert Redack as Chewbacca, as we have already established.

I think we should check chief though. That, or we all go for a basic kill on him with the first one being protected in case he is the PGO.

Pretty much, we target The Admins and 85. That knocks out, what, fivefour strong players?

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`Roxas`

I wonder if Bandit thinks he's a Rebel by mistake again... o_O

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Trever Leingod

It's possible.

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`Roxas`

Yup, definitely going to torch Feral's chambers.

Non-Admins: Admin Season!
Admins: Non-Admin Season!
Non-Admins: Admin Season!
Admins: Non-Admin Season!
Non-Admins: Non-Admin Season!
Admin: Admin Season, FIRE!

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`Roxas`

Is there any way to contact him? That's rather important. Or maybe he just hasn't been on in a while. This is unfortunate.

85 is digging his own hole it looks like. Let him go, my guess is that the town will lynch him. Aid it along but under no circumstances should we be the first ones to vote for him, only after everybody else does.

Feral just said he's an important role in the main thread. Most likely this is a thinly disguised attempt and he's the PGO. I say we torch him tonight.

Depending on how much suspicion Redack gathers it might not be the best idea to convert him. I wouldn't be surprised if they think he's claiming outcast to disguise his rebel status. It might be beneficial to us to let him go. If 85 goes today they will almost certainly take out Redack tomorrow.

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White Thunder

Glad we agree on Feral haha

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White Thunder

Well, actually it may be a better idea to keep them around on the Empire side to draw more attention to them. Going after any lesser involved players would be a good idea, such as Teddy, Zanic and Shadowwalked. Draw more attention to those three (Redack, Feral and CtR).

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`Roxas`

Smart, probably. We'll see how the rest of the day goes down.

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White Thunder

Yeah, that's all we can do right now.

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`Roxas`

I wonder if Bandit thinks he's a Rebel by mistake again... o_O

I WONDER WHY I WOULDN'T LOOK IN THE THREAD JESUS CHRIST

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The Bandit

Also, lying was a really dumb idea. Hence my "Let's kill Roxas."

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The Bandit

{:P} Sorry about that Bandit, I guess the first time was just a premonition. Although it was actually impossible to be converted on Night 0 since white lancer couldn't use his power yet...

Yeah I guess I can't lie next time because now you know {troll}

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Trever Leingod

Any way, nice to have you to take down Lord Vader. {8D} Hopefully we can get the Cop beforehand moving forward, which is what I'm hoping Feral is. So I may go after him, and we can collectively go after chief with our vote.

Also, Bandit, who's role are you going to copy?

Xhin (Stormtrooper)
chiefsonny
DragonintheShadow
Redack (Outcast?)
hezekiah
Shadowwalked
Feral (Special Role?)
Black Yoshi
White Thunder (Han Solo)
`Roxas` (Rebel Arsonist)
white lancer (Luke Skywalker)
CtR Black
MajorasMask9
#85 (Double Voter?)
Zanic
The Bandit (Rebel-Sided)
Davik
Teddy-Son

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`Roxas`

Bandit, you can keep your vote unless people actually start voting for Roxas. It will throw people off your trail if he gets caught.

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White Thunder

I'm surprised I haven't posted much in the main thread.

And hey, if it's my time to go in the game, it's my time to go. I'll go down fighting like I did last game (even though my death was my own fault).

Anybody else find it odd how quiet this game has been, both here and the main thread?

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`Roxas`

The main thread is oddly quiet, yes. The activity here is a result of that lack of conversation.

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White Thunder

I think because we're all on at different times.

Anyway, my ideas for this night round:

Burn Teddy-Son
Kill chiefsonny
Investigate Feral
Convert (???)

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`Roxas`

Or maybe burn myself with lancer (or Bandit, assuming he copies Luke) saving me to prove chiefsonny wrong.

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`Roxas`

Anybody else find it odd how quiet this game has been, both here and the main thread?

It seems the site as a whole is a bit quieter than it was during the last game.

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Trever Leingod

I'm in Vegas right now, so sorry if I'm not posting as much. Also, the Internet is amazingly shitty here.

Luke seems like a great role to copy, but I don't see how useful I'll be except as a back up in case they find Lancer. Unless we're willing to gamble and just guess roles (which I would prefer not to do, I don't want to die). Then again, all of the other roles are fucking lame.

Also, I thought I could only take on roles that were available?

Whatever, unless someone thinks of a better reason for me not to be Luke, I'll do that.

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The Bandit

Because you were the Force Phantom, you can copy any role we have instead of being assigned one. With an extra Luke, we can win the game sooner, but it would require some good guessing. A second arsonist means we can potentially kill three people each night, which would also be great.

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`Roxas`

chief has talked too much. I think we need to kill him tonight. Still think we should burn down Feral and hezekiah's chambers (if Bandit becomes a second Rebel Arsonist). Maybe convert Redack then?

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`Roxas`

Good ideas all around, I think. Solid players that nobody is really suspicious of make the best kills. I also agree with the double arsonist thing, that would be ridiculous. This could end up being a quick win.

Looks like the town might end up not killing anybody today. That might not be the worst thing in the world.

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White Thunder

Double arsonist seems like the best guess. Though it would be awesome for them to kill me as Luke, only to realize they're not safe from conversion.

But, fuck that, I'm not dying for my team. I'll be an arsonist. For real this time, final answer.

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The Bandit

Alright, let's take back the galaxy! {:D}

Which one do you want to go after, Bandit? Feral or hez?

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`Roxas`

Also, we want to protect whoever votes for chief first in the night. I've talked with the Medical Droid on a messenger, and he's okay with protecting two of us before we convert him, if we're up for doing so.

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`Roxas`

Xhin (Stormtrooper)
chiefsonny
DragonintheShadow
Redack (Outcast)
hezekiah
Shadowwalked
Feral (Special Role)
Black Yoshi
White Thunder (Han Solo)
`Roxas` (Rebel Arsonist)
white lancer (Luke Skywalker)
CtR Black
MajorasMask9
#85 (Double Voter)
Zanic
The Bandit (Rebel Arsonist)
Davik (Medical Droid)
Teddy-Son

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`Roxas`

Or maybe keep chief around and kill MM9. He's too good at figuring things out for himself.

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`Roxas`

Hey guys, sorry I've been inactive. Finals week + graduation = little time to do much of anything. I should be able to play more consistently starting tomorrow.

Anyway, I saw Zanic in person today and he let it slip that he was the Cop. I think we should kill him tonight. Convert Redack just in case Zanic was lying, burn Feral and Majora. I guess we could also convert Davik but I'm a little more hesitant to do that since we can't be 100% sure he's telling the truth.

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white lancer

Rox, they're about to self-destruct. I think it best if we stay out for now to avoid any suspicion in our roles.

I think it might be best to leave Davik and kill chiefsonny. That way the townies think we are trying to protect Davik and they take him out, thus eliminating effectively eliminating someone, while they're still suspicious of 85.

Torch hez and Feral, probably, or maybe MM9. Convert Redack and investigate Zanic. Those are my ideas for now.

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White Thunder

Also, we want to protect whoever votes for chief first in the night. I've talked with the Medical Droid on a messenger, and he's okay with protecting two of us before we convert him, if we're up for doing so.

???? I am not OK with shit like this. Is this normal for these games?

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The Bandit

Yeah. Multiple players have done it, even some of the ones against it. And if you have a problem with that, then it seems like you should have an with lancer and Zanic talking about the game.

I do think one of us should torch him, the other getting hez/Feral. We flat out kill chief. Investigate somebody, and convert #85.

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`Roxas`

And if you have a problem with that, then it seems like you should have an with lancer and Zanic talking about the game.

Yes, I have a problem with anyone talking about the game outside of the threads. I don't see why Zanic/Lancer would be a different scenario. And I have a problem with people not playing as a townie WHEN THEY'RE A TOWNIE. Like wtf is wrong with you people.

What exactly would be the difference between the MD helping us, and me going into the thread right this second and outing every one of the Rebels?

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The Bandit

The difference is, Bandit, townie traitors can be converted. You can't be converted again. You'd also have to die to let the town win because no Rebel can live in an Empire win.

But I agree with Bandit. People should stop reveals outside this forum. If Zanic is the cop, he's outed himself to the Rebel leader and a hopeful convertee. That's suicidal for a cop to do. Obviously you can easily lie about roles in this game, but the lie seems better in public. When you tell it 1 on 1, it's more likely you're gonna give in and really trust that person.

Maybe traitors should start receiving punishment, like losing points or host-kills. That will certainly make going turncoat stop entirely.

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Trever Leingod

Swapping sides before you've officially been converted completely destroys the spirit of the game and makes it impossible for the town to win. It's done by selfish people wanting to secure a win for THEMSELVES, not for their team. It's right next door to cheating. And I don't see why this:

The difference is, Bandit, townie traitors can be converted. You can't be converted again.

is relevant. It's not like the team you're on matters to the medical droid if he's going to save two of us. He is NOT officially a rebel, and is working against his team. So what if he will eventually be on our side? Right now, at this moment, he's hurting his team, and I don't see any reason why I can't hurt my team.

YOU should not decide for yourself which side you want to win. You're placed on a side randomly. That's the nature of the game, and you should support your side so long as you're a part of it.

Talking outside of the threads IS cheating in my opinion. It's not even close. The whole point of the game is solving a puzzle based on limited information (assuming you're on the town's side). That info should be shared with EVERYONE. The second you start sharing info outside of the thread, you're destroying the limitations the game places on you.

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

The problem with that is you have to have people admitting that they have talked to other people outside of the game. It's been talked through with Yeano in previous games that there is nothing inside the game that can prevent this from happening.

June 17, 2012
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`Roxas`

I'm with Bandit. But what can really be done.

June 17, 2012
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White Thunder

You can't prevent it, but you can punish players for doing it. It would not be hard to discover who's doing it, just because of how the game would play out. Lucky guesses are few and far between.

Honest to God, I assumed before playing the last game that this was already considered cheating and it was frowned upon. I'm shocked that it's accepted (Majora's talking about messaging roles to the emperor), and apparently pretty common. I won't sabotage this game, because even though the townies are already completely fucked, if I was a townie I would be pretty pissed that someone just ruined the game. But I won't be playing this shit anymore.

But whatever. Enough of that. I'll torch Feral whenever the time comes. We should keep Majora around because he seems to be the only one willing to take initiative to kill someone. Which is the best strategy for them I think, but their odds are so bad of actually getting a rebel so who cares.

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

Can we do something though? Let's use the MD to protect two of us, but when the time comes let's just kill him instead of converting him. It would be so hilarious.

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

For the record, I'm not a big fan of talking with people outside of the main thread either. Zanic and I are brothers IRL though so that's a little tougher to avoid. Really the only reason Zanic outed himself to me is because he's not going to have internet access for the next week, so he wanted to get out of the game. I'd rather kill him outright so that there's no dead weight in the game.

I don't see why chief is such a huge threat to us, tbh. I'd say we should leave him around and take out Feral and MM9, and convert Redack.

June 17, 2012
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white lancer

chief and #85 so mad lololol

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

If white lancer was a rebel, he would have most likely posted in the rebel thread earlier in the day round, making chiefsonny think that white lancer already posted in the day round.

Ok, nvm, let's just kill this asshole

June 17, 2012
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The Bandit

Hell is going down over there. There isn't much discussion going on, which is what I primarily base my game off of (though it's not like there isn't much going on here either).

It's not so much that I'm for OOG Communication, but if somebody trusts me enough to reveal his role to me, I'm going to use that to my advantage. The MD has agreed to constantly cover me. I haven't told anybody about who all of your identities are in the game.

  • Feral will be torched tonight.
  • Redack will be converted tonight.
  • MM9 or hez are torched.
  • Whichever of the two who are not torched, we outright kill tonight.
  • Investigate chief? Black Yoshi, maybe?

    • June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    #85 is confirmed DV. If you look at the voting tallies, #85 is the only one to vote for Feral, yet Feral has two votes.

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    lancer, who are you going to save? The MD has agreed to save two of us. He's said he'll save me, but I won't tell him who else until I know who you're saving.

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    I don't think the voting tallies really tell us anything since they've been really messed up for a while. #85 is most likely the DV but I don't think the tallies will confirm anything for us.

    I also don't see the need to get rid of hezekiah just yet. I'd rather take Zanic out as the Cop and someone who isn't going to be contributing to the game anyway. Torch Feral and MM9, convert Redack, investigate Yoshi.

    June 17, 2012
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    white lancer

    I'll save myself tonight. I think the Vig might come after me tonight so I wanna make sure I get at least one more conversion through.

    Are we sure it's a good idea to tell Davik who the other Rebel members are, especially if we're not converting him tonight? He could blab on us tomorrow in retaliation for not converting him tonight and ruin our game.

    June 17, 2012
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    white lancer

    He won't. He wants to win with us, but obviously we can't guarantee that.

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    It's pretty much impossible for us to lose at this point, so who cares. If you're really worried just tell him to save me, and Lancer and White Thunder won't be at any risk of being revealed. Or tell him to save Redack (or whoever we're converting tonight). The MD doesn't protect against conversions.

    June 17, 2012
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    The Bandit

    Or... wait. Can the MD protect against conversions? I've thought he couldn't for the past two games, but I see nothing like that in the list.

    June 17, 2012
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    The Bandit

    MD doesn't protect.

    What is chief doing? Trying to say he is the DA?

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Gosh, he is really starting to annoy me. We should just off him to get him to shut up, and also drawing suspicion on MM9 to make it look like a silencing kill. Win-win, unless he's the PGO.

    If that happens we wouldn't need to torch MM9, they'd almost definitely vote him off. Torch Feral and Zanic.

    June 17, 2012
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    White Thunder

    I implied that you as a rebel (which based on your actions I am certain you are)would find out who I am if you try and convert me.

    Is he trying to say that he's the PGO?

    June 17, 2012
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    The Bandit

    nvm i'm retarded

    June 17, 2012
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    The Bandit

    I say let chief live. Still think we should burn hez and Feral. Convert Redack. Kill Zanic. Investigate whoever.


    (Good thing I managed to scroll up and make sure I was in the right thread. I was about to post this over there!) {:s}

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Be back later, going bowling. Godspeed, teammates!

    June 17, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Have fun.

    MM9 figured out the burn-your-teammate strategy. He's very intelligent. Too bad we didn't actually do it yet.

    June 18, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Yeah, I agree. Having those two go at it for another day can't be bad for us.

    June 18, 2012
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    The Bandit

    Yeah, now I'm thinking burning MM9 would be a bad idea--we want chief and MM9 going at each other again. Hezekiah's a viable alternate target I guess. We should use our normal kill on Zanic since we can be mostly sure he's not the PGO so we won't get burned. Next turn we'll have Redack on our team and we should be able to convert Davik the next round unless I wind up getting lynched.

    June 18, 2012
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    white lancer

    Don't know if I agree with you ending the Day Round like that Trever. We still had about two hours left, and all that would have done is void any votes after the time limit. On top of that, there was a vote breakdown like this:

    6 votes for DragonintheShadow
    2 for MajorasMask9, Feral and No Kill
    1 for The Bandit and #85

    With that breakdown, DragonintheShadow should have been killed at the end of the day round, since most of us would not have had our votes swayed.

    I vote to arrest and terminate the life of Zanic.
    I also exercise my power of Arson against hezekiah.

    June 18, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    I vote to kill Zanic and burn Feral.

    I'm almost with White Thunder though, chief is getting on my nerves. : / But this is probably for the best.

    June 18, 2012
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    The Bandit

    Just to relieve your worries, I also took into account that the Emperor also decided he was going to use his power and prevent any killings, otherwise I would have allowed the extra few hours.

    June 18, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    It got quite heated in there. Now that we know the DA will be out of the way, I think you should say that you are going to copy his role, Bandit. Get some sort of trust going with the town.

    June 18, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Okay, that works out then. Still though, you probably should have done something along the lines of "And just as DragonintheShadow was to be executed, word from the Emperor was to stop the killing.

    June 18, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Okay, that works out then. Still though, you probably should have done something along the lines of "And just as DragonintheShadow was to be executed, word from the Emperor was to stop the killing.

    I would have but technically he didn't even have the needed votes to be lynched. He only had 6 votes instead of the needed 9 (8 if you go by the "not voting" cut off).

    June 18, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    I don't see how that would build trust. I've been against role reveals since Redack revealed his on the first day(because, really, it's a terrible idea). Suddenly telling everyone what I am would be pretty suspicious I think, and how long would they trust me anyway, knowing I could and probably would be converted any night. Plus, the only way for their to be two arsonists is with the Force Ghost, so they would expect me to reveal your role. Unless I'm missing something.

    Even if you're right, it's pretty unnecessary. We're in a position to take out 4 townies per night. We just need to sit on our asses and wait, really.

    June 18, 2012
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    The Bandit

    their

    oh jesus

    June 18, 2012
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    The Bandit

    The voting has never required an outright majority; the option with the plurality of votes always wins out, meaning DitS should have been killed without the Emperor's intervention. That's why there's a "No Kill" option--if a majority was needed for any vote there would be no need ever to vote "no kill."

    Now that we know the DA will be out of the way, I think you should say that you are going to copy his role, Bandit. Get some sort of trust going with the town.

    I'm not sure I agree with this--I think it may be too risky and I don't think the Town (specifically Majora) will buy it. I think as long as we convert each night and follow my Chewbacca strategy from above we'll be good to go. Even if they try to vote me off, Chewbacca will die in my place and I'll be able to protect myself during the night and convert another Chewbacca.

    Kill: Zanic
    Convert: Redack, the Imperial Outcast, into Chewbacca
    Protect: Myself

    As for who Thunder should investigate, I think he should be cautious tonight because he won't have protection (at least not from me). If he stumbles onto Darth Vader we might have trouble--it might be safer to verify the identities of Davik, #85, or maybe Majora than go after someone who is completely unknown. Then again, a riskier investigation of Black Yoshi or Shadow would pay off more if you're willing to gamble. Your choice.

    June 18, 2012
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    white lancer

    The voting has never required an outright majority; the option with the plurality of votes always wins out, meaning DitS should have been killed without the Emperor's intervention. That's why there's a "No Kill" option--if a majority was needed for any vote there would be no need ever to vote "no kill."

    This isn't actually stated outright in the rules, and Yeano said whatever isn't in the rules is something I can "determine." I have been trying to follow Yeano's examples for the most part, but I wasn't aware of this policy.

    June 18, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    You may want to make that clear for the rest of the game, then. The rest of us were going off of Yeano's precedent and assuming that whichever option (including No Kill) received the most votes was the option that would be selected.

    June 18, 2012
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    white lancer

    Certainly.

    I've learned a lot hosting these two games but not everything. I think there will be more specials but it won't be until fall, so before then I plan on actually playing a few games myself so I know the game inside and out.

    June 18, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Recap of our actions so far:

    3 Votes to Kill Zanic
    1 Arsonist on Feral
    1 Arsonist on hezekiah
    Convert Redack
    Investigate (???)

    June 18, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Well, I hope that Thunder gets on in the two and a half and some odd minute time left in this round.

    June 19, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Just a note to you all, I will be making a second Sith thread when the next Day Round begins.

    And though I'm generally against in-game changes, I had to make some modifications to the Chewbacca role. Some Imperial brought it up, and could bring it to the town's attention - at which point all of them would agree the change was necessary, because the Chewbacca exploit almost makes the Rebels unbeatable. Anyone who would be against it would probably be branded a Rebel instantly as well. I will bring it up in the next Day thread if needed.

    June 19, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Understandable--better to change a broken role mid-game than have the whole game determined already.

    June 19, 2012
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    white lancer

    My bad. Gone all day. Vote to kill Zanic, and let's have some fun and investigate Black Yoshi... YOLO

    June 19, 2012
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    White Thunder

    Hakuna Matata, man.

  • Unanimous vote to kill Zanic.
  • The Bandit burns Feral's chambers.
  • I burn hezekiah's chambers.
  • white lancer converts Redack and saves himself.
  • White Thunder investigates Black Yoshi.

    • June 19, 2012
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    `Roxas`

    Understandable--better to change a broken role mid-game than have the whole game determined already.

    My thoughts exactly.

    Hakuna Matata, man.

    It means no worries! {;)}

    Black Yoshi is the Imperial Assassin.

    Flip for Feral.

    June 19, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Flip for hezekiah.

    June 19, 2012
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    Trever Leingod

    Black Yoshi is the Imperial Assassin.

    Oh YES! Great news for us even though hezekiah's going to survive the night. The Assassin is definitely our biggest threat once the Cop is dead.

    June 19, 2012
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    white lancer

    Hell yes fuck you Feral

    June 19, 2012
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    The Bandit

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