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Posted May 18, 2014 by Xhin

Welcome to the mafia thread! You guys basically run the town, so's you know.

Roxas -- You are the Godfather. You show up as a member of the town to any investigation.

Moonray -- Blackjack Dealer. You might just be a normal mafia in the scheme of things, but you run a very popular casino. Once per night round you can choose a player to become a Gambler.

MajorasMask9 -- You are the Shady Detective. You successfully scammed your way through police academy and managed to get (2) warrants before you were forced into hiding. During the night you can investigate someone's role, but you can only do this twice all game.

Castrael -- You are the Back-Alley Doctor. You know a couple things about medicine. Unfortunately, only a couple. During the night you can choose to protect anyone in the game (although protecting the mafia might be more advantageous), but can only do this twice all game.

white lancer, you are the town's Pimp. Once per turn you can choose to make someone a prostitute. You can also choose one of your prostitutes to die for you if you're targeted for death. Beware! You can't make someone a prostitute if they've gotten clean. Beware also that they can hooker you.

hezekiah, you are a full-blooded Mafioso!

Now there is one problem with being a mafia. You see, one of you is an Undercover Prosecutor. While they win when you do, they may also have.. ulterior motives. They gain a point for every person they convince you to kill. However if you kill them or convince the town to kill them, you all gain however many points they would have gained.

Anyway, have fun guys (and girl). You're a very solid team! Go get those townies!

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I like this team a lot. We can do this

May 18, 2014
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Castrael

I feel like the default options in the drop down boxes probably shouldn't be players. That's easily gonna cause problems...

May 18, 2014
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Moonray

The default options are N/A, you just had a player in yours because I was testing stuff with your account.

May 19, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Now this is a game I will throw all my chips into the pot.

May 19, 2014
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`Roxas`

High five Roxas!

:D

Okay, let's get this straight. If you don't throw me under the bus, I won't throw any of you under the bus. Got it? Good.

Haha, I'm KIDDING.

May 19, 2014
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Castrael

So if we don't throw you under the bus you're going to throw us under the bus????

May 19, 2014
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MajorasMask9

That's what she just said...

May 19, 2014
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Moonray

I was kidding Majora. <.<

May 19, 2014
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Castrael

Wait, I just re read that....

I WAS REALLY TIED. I CAN EXPLAIN

May 19, 2014
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Castrael

*TIRED

May 19, 2014
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Castrael

Oh, should I investigate anyone? I'm tempted to just wait until we have a better lead, but it might be good to get some power players checked. Up to you guys, I only have two uses.

May 19, 2014
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MajorasMask9

I'd say wait

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

hezekiah had the best luck. He became a Mafia on his first try!

May 20, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

That certainly was convenient :)

May 20, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Xhin, we're allowed to disclose any information we've discovered along the way, correct?

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Hi fellas. In addition to being the newest mafioso, I'm also one of lancer's Hookers. Hopefully he'll have a chance pretty soon here (and fairly regularly throughout the game) to tell us who else is.

We may consider having him induct us all one-by-one, so we could have the ability to lock down quite a bit of the town. Of course, that's risky due to there being some town-sided Hookers too (I think; nobody else has posted in our thread).

I'd suggest we use Majora's checks pretty early, since I'd rather not miss out on them altogether. Is he able to use both in the same night?

May 20, 2014
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hezekiah

OH YEAH, I should probably mention to you guys:

I'm part of the ??? thing. It's a little secret society that controls who goes on a dinner date at night (there are four of us: me, Feral, EvilGuy, and Ghowilo.) We vote on who we want to go on a dinner date. Last night it was Pirate_Ninja and Jo Naths.

If you guys have any suggestions for who you want to put on dates together/who you DON'T want to go on dates, just say something here and I'll try to shift the votes in a direction that can help us.

May 20, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Moonray and myself are both addicts. I was converted last night.

Dooku, Flare and Jo are the dealers.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Lightvayne is (at least one of) the other gamblers.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Still trying to learn the new game. :/ or, understand it rather.

May 20, 2014
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Castrael

1. chiefsonny - Addict
2. Majora's Mask 9 - Mafia
3. Jo Nathan - Dealer
4. Feral
5. Black Yoshi - Addict
6. Count Dooku - Dealer
7. EvilGuy0613
8. Castrael - Mafia
9. Kyon - Addict
10. SDYoshi
11. Ghowilo - Addict
12. hezekiah - Mafia
13. Moonray - Addict, Mafia
14. white lancer - Pimp, Addict, Mafia
15. Lightvayne - Gambler
16. Pirate_Ninja
17. Hindenburg - Addict
18. `Roxas` - Addict, Gambler, Mafia
19. Lady Flare - Dealer

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Now I would recommend that we don't convert any town-sided into Gamblers.

If the Undercover Prosecutor knows that they are such, I think they should speak up about it. That said, I also think the only time they should influence their kill(s) is when a member of the team starts to give any of us away in the slightest to the town.

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Question about Gamblers: Are points added throughout the game, or only at the end with totals?

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Also, we should start to discuss who we want to kill in the night.

I have a few people in mind:

chief

He could prove to be a thorn in our side if we leave him be for too long.

Feral

He is a wild card: he can either be spot on with his thoughts, or his thoughts can be manipulated to our advantage.

Kyon

Because who would expect him to die early on. He's a good player that may also be a thorn in our side.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

It's... a bit early to be thinking of good kill targets I think, but I'd probably add Hindenburg to that list after the last game. If he's the Cowboy I doubt he'd have much problem with using his kills as soon as he gets the chance.

Pirate_Ninja is also someone to be wary of because of his skill, I'd say.

May 20, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Xhin, we're allowed to disclose any information we've discovered along the way, correct?

Of course. :)

I'd suggest we use Majora's checks pretty early, since I'd rather not miss out on them altogether. Is he able to use both in the same night?

No. The simultaneous thing is only true for the cowboy (because they literally have three guns).

Question about Gamblers: Are points added throughout the game, or only at the end with totals?

Only at the end with totals. Note that you can continue to gamble while being dead. You can also buy or deal drugs (although buying doesn't actually help you out).

May 20, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

High Risk Druggie Zombies?

My kinda game.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

MAJORA

Try to get a meeting between me and Feral set up for the night.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Hey all, sorry for the absence. I actually don't know who the other Hookers are--maybe I'm missing it somewhere?

Also, I'm assuming that the 'Hooker' vice I have is just a way to give me access to the Hooker thread and that I don't actually have Hooker powers.

I'm thinking maybe that I should make one Town-sided player a hooker and then just convert the rest of you, so we always have someone who can roleblock?

May 20, 2014
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white lancer

Also, I'm assuming that the 'Hooker' vice I have is just a way to give me access to the Hooker thread and that I don't actually have Hooker powers

Good catch. I'll fix that when I get home

May 20, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Well according to the Hooker thread, lancer, you should have a list of who all the Hookers are...

I agree with getting the rest of us to be Hookers, but we want to do it covertly. Likely we'd want to not have any of us identify ourselves when we get added.

May 20, 2014
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hezekiah

The hookers aren't revealed publicly in the thread

May 20, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

That's not my question, though.

Does white lancer have a list of all Hookers?

If he does, I'm curious why he hasn't posted it for us yet.

May 20, 2014
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hezekiah

There's a lot going on here...

I'm mafia, blackjack dealer and drug addict... So I've got three threads to keep track of... Oh and the man thread too... Plus adventure...

My brain is going to melt...

May 20, 2014
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Moonray

Okay, so I've got a few things to say:

If both Feral and I go in the dinner thread the next night round, it would be beneficial to have Cas cover me due to his unpredictability. If I can find out what his role is, we can hook him or kill him.

May 20, 2014
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`Roxas`

Cover you, in what way?

May 21, 2014
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Castrael

With your doctor-ish abilities.

Unless you happen to be the UP, which means we'd have to kill you if you betray us...

Which, thinking about it now, you're first few replies make sense.

QUESTION: Can the back-alley doctor protect themselves?

May 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

With your doctor-ish abilities.


Ohhh, haha that.

Which, thinking about it now, you're first few replies make sense.


You don't think I'm the UP? Or....?

May 21, 2014
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Castrael

Yeah...as I said, if I have a list of all the Hookers, I have no idea where it is.

May 21, 2014
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white lancer

I don't think you are, just that it is odd.

May 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

Been trying to subtly suggest a Feral and Roxas dinner date for tonight in the ??? thread, and I think it's going to work. Feral's on board with going on a dinner date with someone, and when he asked for suggestions I gave some reasons for picking Roxas.

May 21, 2014
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MajorasMask9

I don't think you are, just that it is odd.


Oh good. Just to ease your mind, I'm not :) I'm guessing we're all okay with showing roles?

I'm Mafia and Gambler.

May 21, 2014
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Castrael

Alright, got Feral to agree with a dinner date between him and Roxas. We'll put the votes in later :).

May 21, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Sweet. So you just know that he's part of ???

May 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

Yeah, nothing about roles are revealed in the ??? thread, we can just discuss things with each other. I think he's leaning toward thinking I'm not mafia due to some feigned ignorance on my part though.

I got him to volunteer for the dinner date tonight by suggesting we invite at least one of the four ??? members to the dinner date so that we have a chance to talk privately with other players, and we can come back and share it in the ??? thread so we have a pool of information. It's kind of faulty reasoning but all I really wanted to get across was that it was an idea, and I used Feral as an example, so ended up going along with it.

So he's probably going to be willing to collaborate with you if he thinks you're a town-sided role. He asked if I had an opinion on who he should go on the dinner date with and I said that I suggested you because I thought you would be unlikely to shoot him if you're town-sided (especially since you don't have a gun in this case) and are usually pretty open about your strategies as town-sided roles, meaning you'd be likely to collaborate with the ??? members.

Just a heads up if you want to prepare for it or anything.

May 21, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Gotcha buck-o! ;)

May 21, 2014
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`Roxas`

So I'm thinking of telling him I'm a townie but am suspicious of a few people, not to include him. Obviously, I wouldn't want to put a target on my back, especially if the Mafia were to be selected to go into the thread and see that my ideas are nearly spot on. The only person I would mention by name would be hezekiah, since he'd be the only one to not terribly hurt our team with a loss.

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

And I'm also the only one guaranteed not to be the Undercover Prosecutor.


I am quite troubled by lancer's claim that he doesn't know who the Hookers are. That pretty much completely contradicts what Xhin has said.

May 22, 2014
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hezekiah

Unless the only hookers identities he knows are the ones he converts.

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

Unless the only hookers identities he knows are the ones he converts.

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

The hookers aren't revealed publicly in the thread

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

Me, in the Hooker thread: "Seems like, if I'm reading this right, the Pimp knows who all of us are (how else could he choose one of us to die for him?)."

Xhin, in response: "That's true, yes."

May 22, 2014
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hezekiah

Ah, gotcha.

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

So now we wait for the night round to begin

May 22, 2014
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`Roxas`

And I'm also the only one guaranteed not to be the Undercover Prosecutor.


I'm at a loss on the logic behind this. Did I miss something that confirms you can't be the Undercover Prosecutor?

May 22, 2014
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Moonray

hezekiah wasn't originally a mafia member, but the mafia thread did originally say that one of you was the undercover prosecutor. And at the time he wasn't one of you.

May 22, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

You may now perform night actions

May 23, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

So why is the dinner date thread down?

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

I'd still LOVE to hear from lancer about our Hooker situation. For now, I'll go with this. Hopefully I don't really need to explain why I want him dead.

May 23, 2014
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hezekiah

I'm thinking chief.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

Probably because there is technically no one on a date at the moment.

Ghowilo voted for me to go on a dinner date out of nowhere. His vote (and mine) don't count anymore due to NIFE stuff, but if I try to argue too much for Feral to go on a date instead of me I might look like I have ulterior motives. Hoping Feral says something, I think he'd *want* to go on the dinner date so he might say something.

Anyone want me to investigate someone?

May 23, 2014
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MajorasMask9

And Cas, WHATEVER YOU DO, don't gamble on chief dying tonight.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

And vote.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

Wait, you dont want me to vote? Or...

May 23, 2014
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Castrael

I'm with Hezy.

May 23, 2014
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Castrael

No, I'm okay with your vote, but don't go the same way as me in the Gambler Thread.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

Why? It's not like I'm going to seal your ideas or anything. :/

May 23, 2014
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Castrael

It'd look suspicious for too many people to "guess" the mafia's kill correctly.

May 23, 2014
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hezekiah

Well, hezy, I'd love to tell the Mafia about the rest of the Hookers, but that would require that Xhin stops ignoring me and actually tells ME about the Hookers. Can't say what I don't know...although P_N just posted in the Hooker thread, and I realize now that I have a drop-down menu with people I can protect myself with. I guess that's probably the complete list, so just hezy and P_N. I think he's a fine protector for me for now (so I don't need to hookerify any more Town members), so I think I'll go ahead and hit one of us.

I suggest that anyone I make a Hooker doesn't post in the Hooker thread, at least as long as P_N is alive. Don't want to give away what we're doing. If we wanted, we could even just kill P_N (as I'm not certain how relevant the 'protector' ability is going to be) and just roleblock pretty much everyone every night.

May 23, 2014
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white lancer

Also, if the Drug Dealers are all confirmed innocents (I asked Xhin about this in the thread), we should probably start taking them out soon. Three confirmed innocents = bad for us.

May 23, 2014
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white lancer

hezekiah wasn't originally a mafia member, but the mafia thread did originally say that one of you was the undercover prosecutor. And at the time he wasn't one of you.


Ah yes of course, he joined us so quickly it feels like he's always been here.

May 23, 2014
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Moonray



May 23, 2014
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Moonray

I'm still fine with a Hindenburg kill if you guys are.

Feral and Roxas are pretty much confirmed to be going on a dinner date btw. Managed to work itself out.

Also, I kind of want to use an investigation tonight. Better late than never since you never know how long you'll last in the game, and role info helps a lot. Any ideas? I was thinking someone like Lightvayne or Dooku.

May 23, 2014
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MajorasMask9

It'd look suspicious for too many people to "guess" the mafia's kill correctly.


Ohhh, that makes sense.

May 23, 2014
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Castrael

Dooku is one of the Dealers, but that doesn't mean he also isn't a power role either.

Lightvayne is in the same situation, just another gambler.

Speaking of Gamblers, SDYoshi joined that group spoke up and selected hezy.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

I'd say if we use it on either of them, we use it on Dooku.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

I think we should investigate someone who's not on our "most dangerous" list, but essentially in the second tier. Therefore, Dooku makes sense to me.

One thing that occurs to me, to build PN's trust, would be for me to Hooker myself, showing that I have no other special powers to use (well, this night at least... but I won't bring up that part of it). I want to get your thoughts on that idea before I submit the action, though.

May 23, 2014
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hezekiah

Interesting idea, hezekiah.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

So what's going on in the ??? Thread, Majora? Considering the date thread is down

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

Not much right now. Ghowlio voted for Feral and Feral voted for you. I threw in a vote for Feral. I think the dates get made after the night is over.

I'll investigate Dooku tonight. Might as well get some results.

May 23, 2014
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MajorasMask9

So I'm thinking if everything goes according to plan (JN gets my a weapon or something to do away with Feral in the date thread, my defense could be that I was suspicious of him. It won't be difficult to make things look bad on him.

Xhin, what would happen if one of the people chosen for a date are killed the night that their chosen?

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

Roxas, mafia members don't get weapons in the Dinner Date thread.

Thinking about my previous idea a bit more, I think I'll hold off on Hooking myself; no harm in keeping my options open as far as what roles I can claim down the road.

May 23, 2014
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hezekiah

I know that, but if I get the right drug from JN, I may be able to take him out.

May 23, 2014
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`Roxas`

hiall

May 24, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Also, I'm really worried that Feral is some investigating role and knows I'm guilty.

At the last minute of voting in the ??? thread he changed his vote for Roxas to a vote for me, meaning he's going on a dinner date with me tonight.

If he shoots me take him out next round.

May 25, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Wait, question for Xhin: Can the Back-Alley Doctor prevent me from a dinner date kill?

May 25, 2014
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MajorasMask9

save me from*

May 25, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Yeah, please kill Feral next round, I'm pretty sure he's on to me. BYE ALL

May 26, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Majora :(

I can save youuuu.

May 26, 2014
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Castrael

We could kill Feral right not, save Hindy for later.

May 26, 2014
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hezekiah

It's too late to change votes though, isn't it?

May 26, 2014
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`Roxas`

yes :(

May 26, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Besides, if Feral is the Jack, he has a bulletproof vest.

May 26, 2014
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MajorasMask9

You guys successfully slaughtered Hindenberg. He was a townie and drug addict.

Count Dooku is now a gambler, and Redack is now a Hooker (and the prettiest hooker of the bunch! :P)

Count Dooku is a Townie

May 27, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I managed to go on a date with Roxas instead of Feral, so I should be safe for a while longer. Feral probably won't roleclaim (hence why he wanted to go on a date with me to kill me.)

We should keep Dooku alive. More townies alive is better for the mafia, as the last game showed pretty well.

We should hooker Feral though so he can't use his actions.

May 27, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Definitely agree regarding keeping Dooku alive, more townies to hide among for the inevitable roleclaim is a good thing.

I don't see any reason to focus on Feral any more than normal this round.


How does the Pimp's protection work? Is it only night kills that it prevents? Any kill that takes place during the night round? Any kill at all?

May 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Roxas, you need to be inactive from the town's perspective... anything else would raise a ton of questions about why you didn't kill Majora.

May 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Xhin, what's the night action priority? Specifically, where does the cop passing his badge happen in relation to a hooker's... business?


We might be able to Hooker Feral in order to prevent him from doing anything tonight. I guess that means we'd want to kill PN tonight so he can't rat on us for hooking Feral. The downside of this is that we won't have any innocents left to eat a kill for lancer (still waiting to find out the limits of that power too, Xhin!), but we've got a few 'less useful' mafia roles that I figure are more expendable. Myself and Moonray right now, and Roxas may end up that way too depending on how soon we get the investigative roles taken care of.

May 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Waiting to see what Majora has to say in here. I think we'll probably be lynching him today to make it more believable that Roxas just didn't get a chance to shoot Majora.

May 27, 2014
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hezekiah

Going all out for the short time I am, going to try to convince Feral that Xhin is using some variation of the "Insanity" trait that makes cop results opposite.

Going to eventually play it off as if I'm the sensor. I doubt it will change anything but it's worth trying.

May 27, 2014
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MajorasMask9

short time I can*

May 27, 2014
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MajorasMask9

If Feral's claim is legitimate I think it's likely that Xhin might be using something similar to the old "Insanity" trait this game that gives the "opposite" or normal cop results.


I think this is the best counter-ploy I've ever seen in this game. Kudos!

May 27, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

How does the Pimp's protection work? Is it only night kills that it prevents? Any kill that takes place during the night round? Any kill at all?

Any kill. The protection clause can be hookered though.

Xhin, what's the night action priority? Specifically, where does the cop passing his badge happen in relation to a hooker's... business?

The priorities are something like

Special moves < Kills < Anything "Quick" or anything that locks after use < Life saves < Hookers

Basically, hookers trump everything including Pimp self-protection and even other hookers.

It's like my grandpappy always used to say:

If a hooker hookers a hooker, that hooker's hookering has been hookered.

May 27, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

An exception to the "law of hookers" is the Corrupt Mayor's night ability. If used, it can prevent all night actions except for that of the Cowboy.

May 27, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

So what the heck happened with me going with Feral? :( I wanted to thwack him

May 27, 2014
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`Roxas`

Xhin, for druggies, we can submit out actions at any time, right? And if we have a stimulant, it goes undetected by the town, right?

May 27, 2014
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`Roxas`

Xhin, for druggies, we can submit out actions at any time, right? And if we have a stimulant, it goes undetected by the town, right?

Right and right! Glad you caught that nice little stratagem :P

May 28, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

And for the druggie thread, only you can see what actions are what aside from who each druggie buys from?

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

And does the person selected die immediately, or at the end of the day?

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

Is a new date thread done each round?

Sorry, just lots of questions right now.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

And for the druggie thread, only you can see what actions are what aside from who each druggie buys from?

Yes.

And does the person selected die immediately, or at the end of the day?

Immediately. Or more accurately, whenever I'm online and see it.

Is a new date thread done each round?

Yes.

May 28, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Righteous.


@Mafia
Any suggestions on who I should kill?

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

Feral?

{:P}

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

He'll die in the night. I'm thinking I can trick Feral into giving me the badge if I kill Majora. We pass it among each other, though that would mean at some point we'd have to sell each other out.

Or we can take a complete stab in the dark and leave Feral alive entirely.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

I think killing Feral this day round is the best option.

I consider Majora to be as good as dead, due to Feral's reveal of a guilty verdict. The time that Feral dies won't affect that. If he makes it to the night round, there could be some unforeseen way for him to pass off the badge before dying.


We must remain mindful of the presence of the Rioter (the guy who doubles the votes of all others who vote with him); we very well might be able to narrow him down pretty damn quick. Similarly, if Majora can keep an eye on the ???? thread and let us know if its fourth member shows his face in the thread. Would probably benefit us to leave Ghowilo alive for now to possibly sow some distrust between the two of them, but we definitely want to keep an eye on that situation.

May 28, 2014
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hezekiah

Ghowlio posted a screenshot of his role in the ??? thread and he's a townie / drug addict.

If he's not host killed you should keep him alive.

I'm hoping that I might be able to be convincing enough to buy another day (and use my detective power.) Feral seemed like he might have bought my claim that he's insane in the ??? thread.

May 28, 2014
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MajorasMask9

Not much time to discuss right now, but I feel I should probably let y'all know that I got a Stimulant (so I could kill someone this next night round). Not sure how useful that'll be for me this early, since I'll bring a lot of suspicion on myself and the others who got good drugs if I use that power, but it's an option.

May 28, 2014
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white lancer

If my action wasn't revealed to everyone in the Drug User thread, I might risk it and kill Feral during the day round (to hopefully prevent him from passing off his badge--can he do that during the day or only at night, Xhin?), but as it is the power seems not very useful. Might pretend I got the Tranquilizer instead and ignore the Stimulant ability.

May 28, 2014
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white lancer

You can use it during the day... And we have until we buy our next drug.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

Shit, I'll have to use it unless we want Ghowlio on our ass.

Lancer, maybe you could use yours on him, but I have to use mine on Majora.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

Alright, here's the plan.

Majora is going to die.
We should target me tonight with our group Kirkland have Cas use her power on me to make it look like a legitimate targeting.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

We're not going to save Majora? :/

Also, who are we killing?

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

What the hell is going on with you guys. First Redack pops into the Hooker thread to reveal himself to PN, then Roxas blows his AFK excuse and forces Majora's death by posting in the main thread. And now we're talking about wasting our night kill on Roxas to try and make him look innocent? Boy, one step forward two steps back.

May 28, 2014
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hezekiah

Your teammate and occasional enemy MajorasMask9, the Shady Detective Undercover Prosecutor is dead.

As he successfully got you guys to kill Hindenberg, he would have gotten +1 point since you didn't kill him by suspecting he was the undercover prosecutor...

However by the strange rules of this game all it takes is for the mafia to kill the undercover prosecutor, nevermind why...

However if you kill them or convince the town to kill them


As such, all of you other than MajorasMask9 will be receiving an extra +1 point.

May 28, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

If he's not host killed you should keep him alive.

He won't be host killed, but everyone's been warned in the main thread so this won't happen again.

If my action wasn't revealed to everyone in the Drug User thread,

Your action is hidden, and you can actually do it during the day round. Note that you can't take it back though because it happens immediately (or as soon as I see it, more realistically).

Can he do that during the day or only at night, Xhin?

He can do that at any time. Like a stim kill, it's a "Quick" action, which means it happens as soon as I come in and do it, or if there are other quick actions on the stack, whichever was done first happens first.

May 28, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

And now we're talking about wasting our night kill on Roxas to try and make him look innocent? Boy, one step forward two steps back.


I agree with everything you just said Hezy.

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

There's been a lot of information not conveyed about game mechanics... not very great, imo.

May 28, 2014
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hezekiah

lancer: you should kill Ghowilo ASAP. Feral certainly sounds like he gave the badge to Ghow ("I'll still be able to talk to them through the ??? thread"). Wouldn't surprise me to find out he forgot that we knew Ghow was one of his threadbuddies.

May 28, 2014
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hezekiah

Or it might be Roxas who needs to kill Ghowlio. I don't know which of you it was that offed Majora.

May 28, 2014
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hezekiah

I offed Majora, which is why I suggested lancer go after Ghowlio

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

There's been a lot of information not conveyed about game mechanics... not very great, imo.

Yeah I know. That's the problem with an overly complicated game, either I explain everything in which case there's a massive amount of information to sift through, or I avoid that and just let people ask questions.

I think it's turned out pretty interesting so far, considering though. Everyone's been extraordinarily lucky so far.



May 28, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Any suggestions on who I should I save? I'd save Majora, since e's one of our valuable players here.

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

I save


No: I.

e's


he's

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

Scratch Majora off. Totally forgot he was dead. :/

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

Out of curiosity why is the gambler thread locked? I assume it's locked, if it isn't then why can't I post in it?

May 28, 2014
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Moonray

First Redack pops into the Hooker thread to reveal himself to PN


And? The problem being? Sorry if I'm not conforming to your grand plan, whatever it may be.

May 28, 2014
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Moonray

Yeah, I haven't been able to post in there myself

May 28, 2014
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Castrael

I'd imagine it's because it's only intended to be active in night rounds.

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

How about this:

1) Day ends in No Kill, we use the suggestion I made earlier to help us along a little bit

2) Day ends in Townie kill, we kill a townie

3) Day ends in Mafia kill, we kill a townie

May 28, 2014
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`Roxas`

Out of curiosity why is the gambler thread locked? I assume it's locked, if it isn't then why can't I post in it?

Because it's only supposed to be active in night rounds. That doesn't really work with any of the other vices because they all have actions that can be done at any time sooooo

Especially if there are Mafia members who are druggies, which I would imagine is bound to happen at some point or another, that could make them even more dangerous.


(hehe){troll}

May 29, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

(:$)(:$)

May 29, 2014
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`Roxas`

lancer uses his kill on Ghowlio.

We kill Feral or EvilGuy (based off of Feral's hint that the 4th ??? member has yet to talk) at night, or go after somebody who would be more of a hindrance to us in the long run.

May 29, 2014
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`Roxas`

Feral saying the fourth ???? member hasn't talked only means that he hasn't talked in the ???? thread. He might have posted in the main thread at some point.

I definitely think lancer should off Ghowlio ASAP, he's the most likely current cop.

May 29, 2014
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hezekiah

My only misgivings about offing Ghowlio are that there were only four of us who got the 'good drugs' so it'll be pretty easy to narrow down the killer...but, yeah, it does seem likely that he's the current Cop and it would be worth it in that case. I'll take care of that, but I'm not going to post anywhere else for a while so hopefully they think I'm just not around.

May 29, 2014
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white lancer

...alright, now I'm guessing that I'm not allowed simply to select the action without posting in the Drug User thread, which is unfortunate because it's going to be pretty obvious (I'm assuming the kills are automatically hidden, but no zero-word posts are allowed?). Unless I can just tell you that I want to use my kill on Ghowlio here, Xhin?

May 29, 2014
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white lancer

Your post automatically hides itself, white lancer.

But I'll go ahead and take that as a "kill ghowilo!"

May 29, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Mostly @Redack: Note that the Hooker thread does NOT provide a similar protection as does the Drug User thread; any actions you make in there are visible by the rest of us. Namely, PN.

May 29, 2014
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hezekiah

We probably want to keep chiefsonny and Black Yoshi alive for the time being, since killing them off would shrink the pool of people who might have killed Ghowlio.

How exactly does it work for the Drug Addicts getting their goods? Do we know who all of the Drug Dealers are? If so, killing one of them tonight may be a good option. The more mysterious goodies they give out, the more it can help the town. As is, I only know of Jo Nathan as being one of the Drug Dealers. However, I think we'd be better served killing one of the others (who gave a lower grade last night, possibly) instead, hoping that town-sided addicts would think that person is "due" to give a high-grade dose. As with the Gamblers not giving themselves away, we'd want to make sure that Roxas and lancer don't tip their hand too much regarding why they avoid taking from the person we kill... unless I have the NAP wrong and they'd get their drugs before the dealer's death.

We should also definitely get another of us inducted into the Hooker thread.


I'm also confused about the Corrupt Mayor. In the Night 0 thread, Xhin said he "can stop all night town-sided actions in return for saving the person of his choice" if desired. Earlier in this thread, however, it was explained that the Mayor "can prevent all night actions except for that of the Cowboy" from happening, which reads like it includes us. Could you clarify?

May 30, 2014
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hezekiah

The three drug dealers are JN, Dooku and Flare.

I'm buying from Flare this round, so maybe we should go after her?

May 30, 2014
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`Roxas`

I think that makes sense. Lancer could probably pick Dooku this time if he wanted to, without much issue. The one thing I question is whether the town will find out that you're getting another drug, indicating that you lied about not using your previous power.

Just remembered something: we should check to see if we can narrow down who the Sensor might (not) be based on how people reacted to Majora's claim.

I'm going out of town for the weekend, so my activity will be minimal. If I can get an internet connection, I'll try to check in when I can.

May 30, 2014
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hezekiah

Drugs expire at the end of the day round any way, whether or not you buy the following night or not. The only evidence going against me is what's been said in here and the (hidden) action itself.

May 30, 2014
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`Roxas`

And that doesn't sound like a bad idea...

May 30, 2014
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`Roxas`

YOU MAY NOW CHOOSE TO KILL PEOPLE

May 31, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

How exactly does it work for the Drug Addicts getting their goods? Do we know who all of the Drug Dealers are? If so, killing one of them tonight may be a good option

Drug dealers stay drug dealers after death. As do addicts, Gamblers, and members of ???. Hookers stop being hookers though.

I'm also confused about the Corrupt Mayor.

He can't prevent mafia actions. He can only prevent town-sided actions, but can't prevent the Cowboy or drug addict kills.

May 31, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Feral will have to go at some point--he's virtually a confirmed innocent so we won't be able to get him lynched. But there's no real urgent need to take him out now because we can be pretty sure he's just a vanilla Townie at this point.

I think I'm pretty dead sometime over the next couple of days, but ideally I could draw out a Cowboy kill and get P_N killed instead. Also, how about getting into another thread, Roxas?

I haven't been paying close enough attention to the game (Memorial Day + French Open = no time for me), so I can't really give a good opinion on our Nightkill. Jo and Flare do seem like good options to me, though.

May 31, 2014
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white lancer

Can we hook dead players? Specifically, the drug dealers?

Agreed about Feral eventually being a necessary kill. In fact, we could off him now and possibility make the dinner date thread really boring (assuming the 4th stays inactive). I'm very open to changing my vote.

May 31, 2014
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hezekiah

Eh, I have zero idea on who to vote, so :/ I'll follow your guys lead.

May 31, 2014
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Castrael

I think our bets are best placed elsewhere in place of Feral. One of the dealers should definitely go in my opinion

May 31, 2014
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`Roxas`

Killing the dealers doesn't stop them from being dealers. But I guess they may be a more peel role then townie too. So sure, I'll change. If you prefer a different one, I'll adjust again.

May 31, 2014
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hezekiah

It hurts the toen'a numbers whoever we pick.

May 31, 2014
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`Roxas`

Town's

May 31, 2014
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`Roxas`

Powerful

May 31, 2014
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hezekiah

Can we hook dead players? Specifically, the drug dealers?

No, vice-based actions can't be hooked (except for that of other hookers). Night mafia kills also can't be hooked, although any other action (besides lynching!) can.

Agreed about Feral eventually being a necessary kill. In fact, we could off him now and possibility make the dinner date thread really boring (assuming the 4th stays inactive). I'm very open to changing my vote.

Killing him wouldn't stop the dinner dates from occuring -- MM9 is in fact still in there, secretly scheming no doubt.

May 31, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Also buying drugs can't be hooked, but using drugs can.

May 31, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

I vote Lady Flare.

May 31, 2014
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Castrael

Well, sorry Flare. :(

June 1, 2014
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`Roxas`

So, let me get this straight: people with these 'special roles' (Drug Dealer, Dinner Date Committee, Gambler, and...is that it?) get to stay on and essentially continue to play the game in those threads, even after they're dead?

June 1, 2014
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white lancer

Also, can I get clarification on what sort of deaths I'm protecting myself from with P_N? I'm guessing it probably means night kills in general, but would it also save me from a Cowboy/Stimulant attack during the day? What about a lynch? Will I know if P_N escapes, or if he tries?

June 1, 2014
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white lancer

(Drug Dealer, Dinner Date Committee, Gambler, and...is that it?) get to stay on and essentially continue to play the game in those threads, even after they're dead?

Yes. Basically with Vegas Mafia I was trying to work out a system where Dead players weren't completely out of the game, and vanilla townies had more to do (without compromising the game).

Also, can I get clarification on what sort of deaths I'm protecting myself from with P_N? I'm guessing it probably means night kills in general, but would it also save me from a Cowboy/Stimulant attack during the day? What about a lynch?

Everything.

Keep in mind though that your hookers can escape and they can also prevent you from using this ability. Depending on how you're targeted, it may become very obvious who you are very quickly.

Will I know if P_N escapes, or if he tries?

You won't know if he tries to escape (and fails). However, if he does successfully escape he won't appear in your list anymore.

June 1, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

You guys have successfully killed Lady Flare.

Feral is also dead, but not by your hand...

June 1, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Okay, so I'm now a Drug Addict, and a Druggie. I asked Flare for Drugs.

June 1, 2014
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Castrael

Psssst, Xhin, lancer made me into a hooker and I don't have that vice.

June 1, 2014
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`Roxas`

I'm on a date with Lightvayne this round. Nothing crazy so far.

Also, if my hookers protect me from everything, I might want another Town-sided hooker as backup...

June 1, 2014
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white lancer

If I do make another Town-sided Hooker, it'll be someone less active like Kyon.

June 1, 2014
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white lancer

You guys can post again. Sorry about that.

June 2, 2014
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Xhin
Sky's the limit

Woooot

June 2, 2014
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Castrael

Huzzah

June 2, 2014
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hezekiah

Okay, now we need to plan. I plan Xhin for our next kill!

:P

I think should kill Chief next.

June 3, 2014
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Castrael

Definitely chief, and if either of you are druggies, maybe Lightvayne as well?

June 3, 2014
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`Roxas`

Yeah I'm druggie too but we'll see if I can trust Dooku with this one. He might trust you but knowing me he'll prob kill me anyway.

June 3, 2014
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Castrael

Can lancer select a new meat shield at any time? Or only as a normal night action?

For example: if white lancer gets lynched today, PN would die in his place. Could lancer immediately select Redack as a new guardian, to protect against Druggie or similar actions?

June 4, 2014
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hezekiah

I don't think I agree with killing chief. Like I had "suggested" in the main thread, he might be making up his hallucinogenic vision. There's a chance we could get him killed instead of lancer, assuming the town continues to focus on the mystery of who killed Ghow.

I also think it's almost time to kill PN so that we can hook with impunity. After tonight we'll have 4 of us with the power, and there are only 9 total "good guys" left.


With BY getting saved by the Corrupt Mayor, that would seem to indicate that that's what he is. It'd be awesome if he thought we were likely to make an attempt on his life tonight, since I don't think we should; it's not confirmed that he saved himself, and he's still basically a meatshield that might help save lancer (and Roxas, I guess).

Given his inactivity, I think PN is simply a Townie. What do we think about killing SDYoshi?

June 4, 2014
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hezekiah

I'm game for killing anybody, but would like if I got my hooker ability... *cough*

I think really anybody is a good target, what about Lightvayne?

June 4, 2014
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`Roxas`

He's another person I thought about mentioning, but there's no real compelling reason I've seen to target one over the other.

I still think it's best for you (and whoever joins us as Hookers tonight) to stay quiet in there. Can't know if PN will realize the strategy of making all the mafia buddies hookers, but if he does that'd pretty much give all of you away.

June 4, 2014
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hezekiah

Still don't have access to the thread anyway. :/

And vote

June 4, 2014
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`Roxas`

I don't really like the idea of killing either chief or BY...

June 5, 2014
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hezekiah

We seem to be in okay shape right now--I'm certainly the most vulnerable thanks to the Ghowlio kill, but I do have something of a buffer as long as P_N is still a Hooker, and that'll help make the ratio tighter. Based on the timing, I think it's very likely that Feral was the Jack's one kill, and since the Cowboy potentially hasn't killed anyone yet I think they're either someone inactive (Kyon?) or someone playing very cautiously (chief?). I'm not going to buy drugs from anyone tonight to feign worse inactivity (I think it may come off as rather suspicious if I show up mostly to purchase drugs every night, and the odds of me getting another Stimulant are pretty low).

I don't think killing Black Yoshi is the best idea right now, and I don't see much of a reason to target SD Yoshi either (he seems to get killed every game for little to no reason at all...), though I'm not especially opposed to it or anything. Probably the most likely Townie to figure us out at this point is Dooku, but since he's a Drug Dealer he'll still be around so there's not much point in taking him out (I do wonder, though, if his musing in the Drug thread about the Dealers not having other roles might be a smokescreen). I could see taking chief out, as I would probably buy his story if I weren't Mafia, but it's better to keep the four druggies alive for now. I don't want to take Lightvayne out this night round because it'll look bad for me since I was just on a 'date' with him (that sadly didn't go anywhere). Wouldn't mind taking Jo out, but since practically everyone who is dead is still going to be in the game there's no real reason to take one person out over any other unless we think they might be a power role. I'll vote SD Yoshi for now to make sure we don't have a tied vote.

June 5, 2014
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white lancer

Also, scratch what I said about Dooku. Forgot he was a confirmed Townie (for us, anyway)--no point in taking him out at all, then!

June 5, 2014
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white lancer

I think our main trouble spot this game will be if we continue to lose vanilla Townies...there are a fair amount of power roles left and I don't have a good read on any of them (except for maybe Yoshi being the Mayor). The Jack is probably the most problematic one for us.

June 5, 2014
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white lancer

Why don't we go after Kyon then? I'm ok with anybody really.

June 5, 2014
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`Roxas`

Alright, whatever you guys are voting for I'll follow.

Yeah, Kyon's pretty much inactive all the time. He makes comments here and there, but it's not enough.

June 5, 2014
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Castrael

zzz

June 6, 2014
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hezekiah

Day Four pending...?

June 6, 2014
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`Roxas`

No idea

June 6, 2014
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Castrael

You know, since we're all here and the round hasn't ended/started... I'd be up for switching over to Kyon. I'm leaning towards him just being a disinterested townie, but no harm offing another Addict in any event.

June 7, 2014
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hezekiah

Longest Mafia ever...

June 7, 2014
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Castrael

lol. So much for my 'strategy' of pretending to be inactive--I can't not be around for this long without seeming more suspicious.

I don't care too much about leaving Kyon alive, honestly--he's not really doing too much against us.

June 7, 2014
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white lancer

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